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To ensure this thread won't be closed, you must adhere to several a number of simple rules;
  • Please use spoilers when quoting a post with pictures and/or videos.
  • When posting large quantities of media (pictures or videos), please begin spoilering after the first piece. Grouping related videos in the same spoilers & labeling is recommended.
  • No reposting of old material unless justified
  • Posting any material with little or no relevent discussion accompanying it
  • No passion-induced flaming of each other because 'x said y sucked' etc.
  • Keep the expression hate of music individuals/groups to a minimal level
  • No 'pagetopping' in any form whatsoever, as it constitutes spam equal to posts similar to 'first'.
  • No vulgar fan fics or wet dream stories. It is creepy, weird, and it dehumanizes the people who you are here to celebrate/discuss.
  • Normal posting standards that you find throughout the rest of the site still apply and will be enforced more strictly from here forward (2012/03/11)

Due to the poor nature of this thread in the past, temporary two-day bans will occur more than often if people slip up.
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 20:05:45
March 10 2012 20:04 GMT
#50781
On March 11 2012 04:12 Vorgrim wrote:
Describing unwrapping a cd? 1000 word Idol birthday posts? Wet dream synopsis?.

This type of creepy obsessive behavior is exactly why I avoid any sort of fan cafes like the plague. It's pretty sad that this thread has deteriorated to that quality.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 10 2012 20:06 GMT
#50782
No more creepy ass dreams please, if you do have them, keep them to yourself or post them in some blog or something.
WriterXiao8~~
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 10 2012 20:07 GMT
#50783
On March 11 2012 04:03 HaXXspetten wrote:
I didn't ask for this to happen to me

Oh please. Spare us the line that you are somehow helpless in the matter.

It's entirely your decision to recount the episode and post it here.
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TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 20:41:58
March 10 2012 20:07 GMT
#50784
Ok, I think it is fair to say that the thread... Well, the most out-spoken members, took a stance and drew the line.

Speaking for myself, I tried to create content and generate discussions for the thread the only way I knew how and took it in one direction. Where I saw no necessity for a line or limits.

I now stand corrected that this is not the direction the regulars want to go and that is fine. We should all respect this wish from now on and see how it goes.

For those that enjoyed my shenanigans, if any, links to where I would most-likely take it to are in my sig.

*Lurker burrowing sound*
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Sc2zero7
Profile Joined February 2012
United States574 Posts
March 10 2012 20:31 GMT
#50785
So I said I would look into more Miss $ stuff awhile back and finally did. I wish I looked them up earlier but I was consumed with other stuff until one of their songs came onto my playlist today. Enjoy.
Some songs may be listed more than once. I can't read korean nor am I familiar enough to differentiate songs yet. And the rap sounds the same in every damn song.
Note: The rap is strong with this one.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7JVkhW9BWk&feature=related







p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:01:32
March 10 2012 20:43 GMT
#50786
On March 10 2012 21:33 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:35 p4NDemik wrote:
Every time I see a report coming from this thread I cringe.

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On March 10 2012 18:40 p4NDemik wrote:
Whether it be PMing me or another mod, reporting [...] Little things go a long way.

Are you Mitt Romney in real life?

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Just please don't take some kind of confrontational attitude and claim we moderation practices started this mess.

Moderation practices don't start it, but they don't stop it either. Do we really need to rehash how long it has taken for what should be common-sense practices to finally be added as rules? How about all of the things that still haven't been mandated like spoilering media beyond the first when you've got large content, prohibiting stories of people's kpop wet dreams, and actually warning people who post like this is AKP:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2012 13:01 klibrt wrote:
Bro. I'm telling you.. Fany and Taengoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :D


You can't sit here and say you cringe when someone does a report and then ask people to be more diligent about reporting. It's painfully obvious that you look down on this thread and its posters. I can't even fathom how you could seriously compare the My Little Pony thread to this one, but I digress. Stop treating us like it's an "us and them" situation where it's the clean saintly moderation staff standing above looking down at the "lowly incongruous" posters of KMD. That attitude is precisely the problem of the disconnect between staff and thread posters.

If moderation staff would actually listen to the thread and update rules in a timely fashion, you'd curtail a lot of the shitty posting that happens from time to time, but we're invariably waiting 6 months to a year every time. Overall the thread quality doesn't change much. There's always a few morons arguing about something like being banned from a stream chat, but that is hardly specific to KMD and exists in large threads of all kinds. You'll see the exact same shit in the LoL subforum and even SC2 sections. My problem is how incredibly obnoxious it is to see a moderator come in every couple of months, maybe finally enact rules asked for a year ago, claim the thread's going to shit (it's not), and simultaneously insult the posters of this thread in sweeping language and then turning around and going "It's only some of you."

Since you want to talk about incongruity, let's do so: not very long ago, moderators arbitrarily started intermittently enforcing people not spoilering quoted shit before it was actually added as a rule, but since it was so infrequent and not listed nobody knew it was even prohibited (even regulars like me). Further, the top note NEVER UPDATES after a "New Rule" is added, so nobody notices when that new rule becomes something else, which is precisely what happens when said rule was finally added. It's been more than enough time since it was added: move it from the new rule section and put it with the others. When the next thing comes along, maybe people will actually notice. It's not just some posters who are incongruous.

So again: stop asking like it's an "us or them" situation. If you're going to actually be diligent about moderation, good. Otherwise, please stop dropping by a handful of times a year to make these posts.


I thought I made it clear that I was speaking pretty specifically to the offenders not everyone in the thread. If I failed to do that then I apologize but I am trying here, and I readily admitted that in the past I just steered clear of the thread. I talk every day with people who may frequent this thread or enjoy kpop. I watch the streams that have constant music videos during commercials. So don't tell me I look down on everyone in here or am not tolerant of everyone here. I'm trying to take an active interest in helping you out so I don't see what is so productive in acting confrontational like this.

About new rules - who is formulating these? How do they come about? How do you contact mods to make sure they get in the Notes at the top? Obviously there is some kind of disconnect here and I'm trying to solve this. I don't know how this thread works. Please feel free to explain it to me in a PM. My ears are open.

edit: Are there any rules that you've put together recently that I need to add right now? Another common thing I run into when seeing reports is when someone violates "no reposting of old material" and no context for the original instance of the media being posted is provided. It happens frequently and it makes verifying and taking action next to impossible when there are 2000+ pages. These are the issues that make moderating this thread and moderating to the rules that are created very difficult.
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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
March 10 2012 20:54 GMT
#50787
On March 11 2012 05:07 TuElite wrote:
Ok, I think it is fair to say that the thread... Well, the most out-spoken members, took a stance and drew the line.

Speaking for myself, I tried to create content and generate discussions for the thread the only way I knew how and took it in one direction. Where I saw no necessity for a line or limits.

I now stand corrected that this is not the direction the regulars want to go and that is fine. We should all respect this wish from now on and see how it goes.

For those that enjoyed my shenanigans, if any, links to where I would most-likely take it to are in my sig.

*Lurker burrowing sound*


Wow that's weird I can totally hear the Lurker burrowing sound and animation in my head - perfectly. Wonder if this is what it's like to have eidetic memory.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Lokk
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:28:33
March 10 2012 21:02 GMT
#50788
Oh SH~~~~~~~~ who uses showers? -_- Woories uses waterfalls!!!!! why not? oh, would a normal person survive that?Is she a goddness? I think so =D
[image loading][image loading]
@Lokk_2/Go Woori 우리
Vorgrim
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (North)1601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:55:35
March 10 2012 21:13 GMT
#50789
I will let that slide! lol

@p4NDemik: I think the reposting material rule is more of a don't post Gee every other page kind of thing, not crucifying someone for accidentally reposting a vid that may or may not have appeared 500 pages ago.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 22:14:57
March 10 2012 22:13 GMT
#50790
On March 11 2012 04:12 Vorgrim wrote:
I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Posting pictures of pretty singers is fair enough, we are all human, but things seem to be taking a downwards turn into full blown celebrity worship. Maybe it was always like this, I am new to the thread, but really, why are people defending this type of "content"?

Describing unwrapping a cd? 1000 word Idol birthday posts? Wet dream synopsis? These are not Korean music discussion. How this thread has survived this long is a mystery to me. I would direct you to international fan cafes for whichever group or idol you want to gush over, which I am sure will be happy to accommodate such content.

You know who you are.

This pretty much is a celebrity worship thread. If you're new to the thread, maybe you reconsider trying to change a 2.5k page long thread to bend to your arbitrary standard of "music discussion". If you don't like how this thread operates, then I will happily direct you to other forums and blogs that are more accommodating to your wishes.
On March 11 2012 04:51 Snorkle wrote:
Write about "things that happened to me" in a blog like everyone else. If you think people in here may be interested in it, you can put a link as people sometimes do when they blog about attending concerts, fanmeets and what have you. I am more pissed that moderators think the stuff you wrote is completely ok while mild trolling results in temp bans.

edit: or should people just put their trolls into spoilers and then its ok?

On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Idk why people get banned for saying seohyun has an ugly head and shit like this is ok

Do I really need to explain this? I'm going to assume you're trolling but I'll respond anyway, just in case.
One is from someone who really likes a certain group and (as a result?) has a rather inappropriate dream concerning them. Whether or not to share that is up for debate. It's not like TL is against such graphic stories. There are plenty of Starcraft related stories that are at least that weird. (neverGG/Kwanro pairing, the weird Idra smut, etc)
The other, so called "mild trolling", is someone who either hates a certain group, person, or just feels like posting maliciously with the sole purpose of hurting or angering other people. Purely because those other people have differing opinions or are annoying in their enthusiasm.

I agree that Haxx's dream was a bit out of line. But that's only because I'm a SNSD fan (I think..). As far as TL posting rules go, as long as it was properly prefaced with a [NSFW], it is perfectly fine. The malicious and disrespectful posts that I see on a daily basis in this thread are just unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to express your opinion or disagree with someone.
On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Someone please explain why this is ok in this thread to me? And if it is I am pretty much done here.

Be my guest.
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
March 10 2012 22:24 GMT
#50791
I just wanted to praise p4ndemik for his efforts and I wanted to ask if there was p4ndemik fanclub....but then I saw woori having a waterfall.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 10 2012 22:48 GMT
#50792
On March 11 2012 07:13 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 04:12 Vorgrim wrote:
I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Posting pictures of pretty singers is fair enough, we are all human, but things seem to be taking a downwards turn into full blown celebrity worship. Maybe it was always like this, I am new to the thread, but really, why are people defending this type of "content"?

Describing unwrapping a cd? 1000 word Idol birthday posts? Wet dream synopsis? These are not Korean music discussion. How this thread has survived this long is a mystery to me. I would direct you to international fan cafes for whichever group or idol you want to gush over, which I am sure will be happy to accommodate such content.

You know who you are.

This pretty much is a celebrity worship thread. If you're new to the thread, maybe you reconsider trying to change a 2.5k page long thread to bend to your arbitrary standard of "music discussion". If you don't like how this thread operates, then I will happily direct you to other forums and blogs that are more accommodating to your wishes.
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 04:51 Snorkle wrote:
Write about "things that happened to me" in a blog like everyone else. If you think people in here may be interested in it, you can put a link as people sometimes do when they blog about attending concerts, fanmeets and what have you. I am more pissed that moderators think the stuff you wrote is completely ok while mild trolling results in temp bans.

edit: or should people just put their trolls into spoilers and then its ok?

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Idk why people get banned for saying seohyun has an ugly head and shit like this is ok

Do I really need to explain this? I'm going to assume you're trolling but I'll respond anyway, just in case.
One is from someone who really likes a certain group and (as a result?) has a rather inappropriate dream concerning them. Whether or not to share that is up for debate. It's not like TL is against such graphic stories. There are plenty of Starcraft related stories that are at least that weird. (neverGG/Kwanro pairing, the weird Idra smut, etc)
The other, so called "mild trolling", is someone who either hates a certain group, person, or just feels like posting maliciously with the sole purpose of hurting or angering other people. Purely because those other people have differing opinions or are annoying in their enthusiasm.

I agree that Haxx's dream was a bit out of line. But that's only because I'm a SNSD fan (I think..). As far as TL posting rules go, as long as it was properly prefaced with a [NSFW], it is perfectly fine. The malicious and disrespectful posts that I see on a daily basis in this thread are just unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to express your opinion or disagree with someone.
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On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Someone please explain why this is ok in this thread to me? And if it is I am pretty much done here.

Be my guest.


the fact that this is merely a celebrity worship thread is the reason for a lot of angst between people in this thread.

why should people be able to post some manifestation of a wet dream in here when there has been an established precedent of posting any personal experience (ie fanfics and descriptions regarding personal experiences like concerts/fanmeets related to kpop) in a blog? nobody is against you posting your teenage wet dreams on TL as long as it's in the correct category.
how narrow of a mindset to simply say "I enjoy reading about these dreams, I think they should be allowed in this thread."

Snorkle was presenting a valid complaint and you call him out for trolling? people have negative opinions about minuscule, irrelevant shit all the time.
Grow some skin please.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 10 2012 23:01 GMT
#50793
On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
About new rules - who is formulating these? How do they come about? How do you contact mods to make sure they get in the Notes at the top? Obviously there is some kind of disconnect here and I'm trying to solve this. I don't know how this thread works. Please feel free to explain it to me in a PM. My ears are open.

Supposedly there are several mods who claim to read the thread, so one would think any of them would notice.

On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
Another common thing I run into when seeing reports is when someone violates "no reposting of old material" and no context for the original instance of the media being posted is provided.

The repost rule is supposed to be about blatant reposting of content e.g. things that were posted the same day or even on the same page. It was very common for the same picture/video/news article to be posted multiple times on consecutive pages prior to that rule. There's also the issue of random people walking into the thread and posting a picture/video of something that everyone has seen 500 times (e.g. Kara - Mister) as if it was just released.

On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
edit: Are there any rules that you've put together recently that I need to add right now?

There was a list in my post:
On March 10 2012 21:33 Craton wrote:
spoilering media beyond the first when you've got large content, prohibiting stories of people's kpop wet dreams, and actually warning people who post like this is AKP:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2012 13:01 klibrt wrote:
Bro. I'm telling you.. Fany and Taengoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :D

Regarding rule 1: This should be spoilered past the first picture because each one is nearly a page tall. This is fine because both pictures are quite small. The jist of it is that if you're going to post a large picture, everything else should be spoilered so it doesn't take up multiple pages and make it a pain to scroll through the thread.

It should be pretty self-explanatory about curtailing the whole wetdream nonsense. The spastic posts are just as bad since they don't even meet a minimum threshold of posting quality and are generally cringe-worthy and off-putting

And I again reiterate the need for the "New Rule" to be moved to the regular section after it's been in place for a few weeks. When you simply leave it there for half a year until the next thing gets added, it's unduly difficult to notice that it's changed because the format itself is identical. You gloss over the notice unless something pops out about it since you get used to seeing it every time you open the thread.
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
March 10 2012 23:02 GMT
#50794
Personally don't have a problem with the 'I went to a concert' and 'unwrapping cool cd' posts, but the dreams ones I could do without.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 23:34:51
March 10 2012 23:28 GMT
#50795
On March 11 2012 08:01 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
About new rules - who is formulating these? How do they come about? How do you contact mods to make sure they get in the Notes at the top? Obviously there is some kind of disconnect here and I'm trying to solve this. I don't know how this thread works. Please feel free to explain it to me in a PM. My ears are open.

Supposedly there are several mods who claim to read the thread, so one would think any of them would notice.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
Another common thing I run into when seeing reports is when someone violates "no reposting of old material" and no context for the original instance of the media being posted is provided.

The repost rule is supposed to be about blatant reposting of content e.g. things that were posted the same day or even on the same page. It was very common for the same picture/video/news article to be posted multiple times on consecutive pages prior to that rule. There's also the issue of random people walking into the thread and posting a picture/video of something that everyone has seen 500 times (e.g. Kara - Mister) as if it was just released.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:43 p4NDemik wrote:
edit: Are there any rules that you've put together recently that I need to add right now?

There was a list in my post:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:33 Craton wrote:
spoilering media beyond the first when you've got large content, prohibiting stories of people's kpop wet dreams, and actually warning people who post like this is AKP:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2012 13:01 klibrt wrote:
Bro. I'm telling you.. Fany and Taengoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :D

Regarding rule 1: This should be spoilered past the first picture because each one is nearly a page tall. This is fine because both pictures are quite small. The jist of it is that if you're going to post a large picture, everything else should be spoilered so it doesn't take up multiple pages and make it a pain to scroll through the thread.

It should be pretty self-explanatory about curtailing the whole wetdream nonsense. The spastic posts are just as bad since they don't even meet a minimum threshold of posting quality and are generally cringe-worthy and off-putting

And I again reiterate the need for the "New Rule" to be moved to the regular section after it's been in place for a few weeks. When you simply leave it there for half a year until the next thing gets added, it's unduly difficult to notice that it's changed because the format itself is identical. You gloss over the notice unless something pops out about it since you get used to seeing it every time you open the thread.

The issue with the repost rule is that "during the same day" can still span as little as 5 to as many as 10 or more pages a day. So verifying is still difficult many times (even if you don't think it would be if you read every post and you know exactly where stuff is). So when possible please provide a link or page # in reference. Also you have to take into account that something you guys may have seen 500 times many mods may have little experience/knowledge of so when they see these reports they simply don't know if that's the case or not. If I see a report where someone posted the "Gee" music video then yeah I'll know but my K-Pop knowledge (and many others) isn't that vast. Relying on the few mods that say they read this thread doesn't seem to be enough, so I'm going to try and make myself more available and I'd encourage any of you to PM me when a problem arises and it needs addressing. It'll be on my subscribed list, not because I gotta get my SNSD fix but to try to have a general sense of where things stand/some kind of frame of reference.

I added the Rule for spoilering large quantities of media, as well as emphasizing normal posting standards will be upheld. Fan fics and dream stories however have a precedent of being allowed (so long they aren't incredibly crude and excessive) so I'm not going to add that unless there is a large majority that want those gone. I haven't read any of them, but if everyone agrees they don't want that stuff in here and would rather they take it to a blog then I'll add it.

+ Show Spoiler [Poll] +
Poll: Fan-fics or dream stories: What should the policy be?

Allow none of any sort - take it to blogs (63)
 
79%

Allow it all except for the most vile stories (12)
 
15%

Other (please post in thread) (3)
 
4%

Keep it PG-13, anything more results in Mod action (2)
 
3%

80 total votes

Your vote: Fan-fics or dream stories: What should the policy be?

(Vote): Allow none of any sort - take it to blogs
(Vote): Keep it PG-13, anything more results in Mod action
(Vote): Allow it all except for the most vile stories
(Vote): Other (please post in thread)

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iMYoonA
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia462 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 00:01:10
March 10 2012 23:57 GMT
#50796
Are you guys kidding? His dream was spoilered, you had a total option to not view that. Yes it was fuckin weird and I myself restrained from it and me and some other people who read this thread had a good laugh about posting stuff like that, but NOTHING in this thread should bother people.

Look at this repost rule, its natural interpretation is nothing thats outlandishly old and obviously famous - theres no point punishing someone for something that is, say, 1 week old. Sure, you might have discussed it, but posting it along with some relevant notes can surely sustain discussion in this thread. Even older than that, what if people don't exactly remember what it is? Posting it serves as a reminder and maybe catchup for people who might not be able to keep up with the fast pace of this thread.

@andyrau you always sound so worked up and eager to start shit, but you have a fair point here. Honestly, if you're on the internet, you should have a fairly thick skin. As long as any criticism of someones favourite idol isn't full on pummelling them, I don't see the problem with "seohyun has an ugly head", although if it was kind of explained it would make it alot better, and stop everyone just posting retaliating one liners.

I mean, I lurked here for 1000 pages before i started posting and everything here has been entertaining if my memory serves me correctly. And thats how people should view it, just a thread for some fun, so I honestly don't understand all these rules that apply to it. Simple guidelines of decency should suffice.

And this spoiler rule is bullshit, it should be obvious whether you should spoil something or not. Someone's one video post? Whatever, next time try to remember. Someones huge ass pic with 4 accompanying gifs? should be obvious to spoil it.

edit: I can't believe people report each other in this thread either, seems so tattle tale for something as trivial as this
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 00:09:00
March 11 2012 00:02 GMT
#50797
On March 11 2012 07:48 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:13 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On March 11 2012 04:12 Vorgrim wrote:
I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Posting pictures of pretty singers is fair enough, we are all human, but things seem to be taking a downwards turn into full blown celebrity worship. Maybe it was always like this, I am new to the thread, but really, why are people defending this type of "content"?

Describing unwrapping a cd? 1000 word Idol birthday posts? Wet dream synopsis? These are not Korean music discussion. How this thread has survived this long is a mystery to me. I would direct you to international fan cafes for whichever group or idol you want to gush over, which I am sure will be happy to accommodate such content.

You know who you are.

This pretty much is a celebrity worship thread. If you're new to the thread, maybe you reconsider trying to change a 2.5k page long thread to bend to your arbitrary standard of "music discussion". If you don't like how this thread operates, then I will happily direct you to other forums and blogs that are more accommodating to your wishes.
On March 11 2012 04:51 Snorkle wrote:
Write about "things that happened to me" in a blog like everyone else. If you think people in here may be interested in it, you can put a link as people sometimes do when they blog about attending concerts, fanmeets and what have you. I am more pissed that moderators think the stuff you wrote is completely ok while mild trolling results in temp bans.

edit: or should people just put their trolls into spoilers and then its ok?

On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Idk why people get banned for saying seohyun has an ugly head and shit like this is ok

Do I really need to explain this? I'm going to assume you're trolling but I'll respond anyway, just in case.
One is from someone who really likes a certain group and (as a result?) has a rather inappropriate dream concerning them. Whether or not to share that is up for debate. It's not like TL is against such graphic stories. There are plenty of Starcraft related stories that are at least that weird. (neverGG/Kwanro pairing, the weird Idra smut, etc)
The other, so called "mild trolling", is someone who either hates a certain group, person, or just feels like posting maliciously with the sole purpose of hurting or angering other people. Purely because those other people have differing opinions or are annoying in their enthusiasm.

I agree that Haxx's dream was a bit out of line. But that's only because I'm a SNSD fan (I think..). As far as TL posting rules go, as long as it was properly prefaced with a [NSFW], it is perfectly fine. The malicious and disrespectful posts that I see on a daily basis in this thread are just unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to express your opinion or disagree with someone.
On March 11 2012 02:24 Snorkle wrote:
Someone please explain why this is ok in this thread to me? And if it is I am pretty much done here.

Be my guest.


the fact that this is merely a celebrity worship thread is the reason for a lot of angst between people in this thread.

why should people be able to post some manifestation of a wet dream in here when there has been an established precedent of posting any personal experience (ie fanfics and descriptions regarding personal experiences like concerts/fanmeets related to kpop) in a blog? nobody is against you posting your teenage wet dreams on TL as long as it's in the correct category.
how narrow of a mindset to simply say "I enjoy reading about these dreams, I think they should be allowed in this thread."

Snorkle was presenting a valid complaint and you call him out for trolling? people have negative opinions about minuscule, irrelevant shit all the time.
Grow some skin please.

Snorkle wanted me to explain why posting blog-material in the KMD thread was not a ban-able offense while trolling/flaming was. What exactly is the established precedent here for weird fanfic dreams? Concert accounts like Moonwrath's are clearly blog material, but the only other R-rated kpop dream was TuElite's and that was posted here.
I also clearly stated that I did not enjoy reading about these dreams, and I only think they should be allowed in this thread because there is really no rule against that.
On March 11 2012 08:28 p4NDemik wrote:
Fan fics and dream stories however have a precedent of being allowed

If we want to make a specific rule regarding just this thread, then fine. While I do regret reading Haxx's dream, it was voluntary and I chose to read it. I'm not going to start flipping shit because he followed the rules.

Snorkle did have a valid complaint, but instead of presenting it like you would if you had to complain to someone in real life, he said "I'm angry because hateful comments are banned while personal accounts are not". Actually, my entire post was pretty much about
On March 11 2012 07:48 andyrau wrote:people have negative opinions about minuscule, irrelevant shit all the time.
and that's fine as long as they can keep it somewhat civil. Literally half of this thread is shit that you would never, ever say to anyone IRL because it's disrespectful and unnecessarily hostile. The other half of this thread is shit you would never say to anyone IRL because it's weird but that's not the point.

Yes there is reason for a lot of angst in this thread but my point is that the level of disrespect in this thread is incredible.
EDIT: I understand the need for thick skin on the internet, I've been on it for a long time. But it's almost never the content that bothers me, it's the nonchalant way that people can say such mean and nasty things to fellow kpop enthusiasts.
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Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 11 2012 00:09 GMT
#50798
Just wanted some clarity. I understand now. I can write about + Show Spoiler [nsfw] +
jizzing on an idols face
all day because that is not hateful but if I want to say + Show Spoiler +
the same idol should wear a bag over their head
its trouble time.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
March 11 2012 00:11 GMT
#50799
Other: In answer to the policy for fanfics and dream recounts, I believe that they are being unfairly subjected to censure. I am of the mind that believes these such fictions contributed by TL.net members for TL.net members do not only entertain and add original content to threads, but also serve to enrich the literary world as a whole. I understand how people would not like to see them squandered in the threads, so easily buried away derisive posts and other content that serve to derail discussions of the dream, its meanings, and what possible future they may foretell. I feel that it would be unfair to the contributors and the works themselves to put them in the blog section, they would not fit well amongst all the entries about demystifying women and the thought provoking accounts of players with their trials and experience in the challenging field of combat that is Starcraft 2 ranking tiers.

I would posit that the best possible choice is to open up a Korean Dream Thread in the general section where people with interests in Korean Dreams and things related to Korean Dreams might commune to give support to each other in furthering their interests on the subject. This would also serve the general populace of TL.net by giving people who may possibly be curious, or even a hidden interest, a basis of entry into the world of Korean Dreams.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#50800
Spoilering is not grounds for anything goes.

+ Show Spoiler [Racism inside] +
Do you see the point?
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