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KroplaBeskidu
Profile Joined June 2011
1093 Posts
January 15 2012 08:29 GMT
#44841
Hahaha Hyaach your signature, I can't remember if you said that or somebody else did but whoever it was: consider yourself lucky, I just see a horse
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 15 2012 08:35 GMT
#44842
On January 15 2012 17:14 chiwawa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 17:03 sgxmitchy wrote:
On January 15 2012 16:59 LlOoKkIi wrote:
Although vocally Apink might be better, Into the New World is just a catchier song, that is what snsd is good at put out the catchiest shit they can make and their fans will be eat it up no matter what.


Yeah I just made the post to argue the fact that in reality, SNSD is not good vocally (in comparison to other groups ofcourse).

And in comparison to groups that has been around roughly as long as they they are quite good. If you compare them to After School, Kara, WG and T-ara suddenly they are quite good again.

Their debut stage was also far more demanding than A Pink's was so there's no wonder that they are a bit out of breath. That's probably one of the most demanding female choreo's that we'll ever see. I do agree with you that A Pink got good vocals compared to more or less every group and they do have potential, but it's just not fair comparing groups from different eras.

pre 2009 groups and post 2009...half the groups you posted came out in the first girl group "rush"- AS, T-ara, came out AFTER SNSD's popularity, so really it's like BEG, WG, and I'd consider BEG to be more talented and WG to be on par if not better...so not really.
KroplaBeskidu
Profile Joined June 2011
1093 Posts
January 15 2012 08:46 GMT
#44843
On January 15 2012 17:35 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 17:14 chiwawa wrote:
On January 15 2012 17:03 sgxmitchy wrote:
On January 15 2012 16:59 LlOoKkIi wrote:
Although vocally Apink might be better, Into the New World is just a catchier song, that is what snsd is good at put out the catchiest shit they can make and their fans will be eat it up no matter what.


Yeah I just made the post to argue the fact that in reality, SNSD is not good vocally (in comparison to other groups ofcourse).

And in comparison to groups that has been around roughly as long as they they are quite good. If you compare them to After School, Kara, WG and T-ara suddenly they are quite good again.

Their debut stage was also far more demanding than A Pink's was so there's no wonder that they are a bit out of breath. That's probably one of the most demanding female choreo's that we'll ever see. I do agree with you that A Pink got good vocals compared to more or less every group and they do have potential, but it's just not fair comparing groups from different eras.

pre 2009 groups and post 2009...half the groups you posted came out in the first girl group "rush"- AS, T-ara, came out AFTER SNSD's popularity, so really it's like BEG, WG, and I'd consider BEG to be more talented and WG to be on par if not better...so not really.


by AFTER you mean during, hmm?

and let's just get this straight: who's on the other side of the BEG/WG comparison? SNSD? Well there goes that one year you spent here trying to get street credit, poof! lol
Skysec
Profile Joined August 2010
United States164 Posts
January 15 2012 08:46 GMT
#44844
I think its perfectly fair to compare SNSD and A Pink especially since they've both promoted at the same time. You just have to compare the same time frame.

Its probably not too fair to compare their debuts since the standards have changed but I wouldn't find it unfair to compare My My to The Boys. You could argue that they're different styles of songs but in the end they're still both girl groups releasing kpop, and there's a clear winner in that fight to me.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 08:55:34
January 15 2012 08:52 GMT
#44845
On January 15 2012 17:46 KroplaBeskidu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 17:35 DystopiaX wrote:
On January 15 2012 17:14 chiwawa wrote:
On January 15 2012 17:03 sgxmitchy wrote:
On January 15 2012 16:59 LlOoKkIi wrote:
Although vocally Apink might be better, Into the New World is just a catchier song, that is what snsd is good at put out the catchiest shit they can make and their fans will be eat it up no matter what.


Yeah I just made the post to argue the fact that in reality, SNSD is not good vocally (in comparison to other groups ofcourse).

And in comparison to groups that has been around roughly as long as they they are quite good. If you compare them to After School, Kara, WG and T-ara suddenly they are quite good again.

Their debut stage was also far more demanding than A Pink's was so there's no wonder that they are a bit out of breath. That's probably one of the most demanding female choreo's that we'll ever see. I do agree with you that A Pink got good vocals compared to more or less every group and they do have potential, but it's just not fair comparing groups from different eras.

pre 2009 groups and post 2009...half the groups you posted came out in the first girl group "rush"- AS, T-ara, came out AFTER SNSD's popularity, so really it's like BEG, WG, and I'd consider BEG to be more talented and WG to be on par if not better...so not really.


by AFTER you mean during, hmm?

and let's just get this straight: who's on the other side of the BEG/WG comparison? SNSD? Well there goes that one year you spent here trying to get street credit, poof! lol

I don't even understand your post..
they came out after SNSD came out, and I'd consider the whole "tell me" and "gee" to be a separate "era" than post that, because it's only after that that you get shitloads of girl groups debuting every year as a response to their immense popularity/everyone realizing what a cash cow girl groups are. So yes, T-ara/Apink/AS are in a different "era" because the conditions in which they are preparing for and debuting in are much different than the market that SNSD/WG debuted in.

And in context I think it's quite clear that I was comparing BEG/WG/SNSD since you're talking about the same era.

I'll ignore the shit about cred cause that's just dumb, I'm here to talk about kpop but I'm not pretending like I'm some kind of expert.

edit- ahh I see the confusion, when I typed after SNSD's popularity I meant after they gained MASSIVE popularity, or Gee promotions, which were at the beginning of the year (started January). Based on T-ara interviews most of them joined really late, particularly the Ji Ae/Jiwon replacements, so it's after that boom or as a response to companies seeing how well SNSD/WG are doing.
SGxANyTiME
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 08:54:40
January 15 2012 08:52 GMT
#44846
Its probably not too fair to compare their debuts since the standards have changed but I wouldn't find it unfair to compare My My to The Boys. You could argue that they're different styles of songs but in the end they're still both girl groups releasing kpop, and there's a clear winner in that fight to me.

comparing anything to "The Boys" can only result in conflict
Stealin' ur fruit like MKP
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 15 2012 08:59 GMT
#44847
On January 15 2012 16:51 sgxmitchy wrote:
Now that I think about it, A Pink is basically just a much better version of SNSD. Here are SNSD and A Pink's debut songs live:

Now compare the two performances and which group performed better? A Pink. Vocally, SNSD is below average because out of nine girls, only one can sing. They also run out of breath and basically have no stamina during lives. Eunji is another tier higher than Taeyeon in singing because she controls her voice much better and Cho Rong/other lead vocalists in A Pink are also better than Jessica/Tiffany/Seohyun. SNSD sort of lucked out by debuting in 2007, which was basically the year that KPOP took off again after its first generation died off with the introduction of Big Bang, WG, KARA, and now SNSD. 'Gee' was also exactly the type of song they needed to reach the top (Almost no vocal, very catchy, basically the quintessential KPOP song). After that, anything they came out with was basically met with zero criticism because they were already known as the top girl group and had created a large enough fanbase that would dictate the public's view of them (although I do consider Genie to be their best song).

This is not supposed to be flame bait, but rather just a comment I have on SNSD and their singing in general. As this is a music discussion thread, this comment should be looked as not a "anti-snsd" post but rather an actual discussion about SNSD.

I dont understand why people feel the need to bash like that in general. Serously. Even if SNSD was the worst musical group ever, how the fuck is pointing that stuff out ever gonna make anything better?
SGxANyTiME
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
January 15 2012 09:04 GMT
#44848
On January 15 2012 17:59 B.I.G. wrote:
I dont understand why people feel the need to bash like that in general. Serously. Even if SNSD was the worst musical group ever, how the fuck is pointing that stuff out ever gonna make anything better?

To be fair, it's not like this is the first time that this has happened to any group, not just SNSD.
Stealin' ur fruit like MKP
dSoda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
January 15 2012 09:06 GMT
#44849
On January 15 2012 17:20 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 17:03 Fox116 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
[center]Inkigayo

+ Show Spoiler [Nine Muses] +


+ Show Spoiler [Davichi +T-ara] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZLX-ei_1CI



I'm in love with Nine Muse now >< and it's about goddam time T-ara and Davichi performed We Were In Love.


Nine Muses' performances are so good man. So crisp on everything.
Illest.
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada133 Posts
January 15 2012 09:16 GMT
#44850
looking to cop a few more physical cd's in the upcoming weeks, any recommendations?

so far what I have:
SNSD - Run Devil Run Repackage
SNSD - Baby Baby Repackage
APink - Seven springs of APink
Girl's Day - EveryDay
T-ARA - Absolute First Album
After School Red and Blue
Im waiting for my signed CD for APink Snow Pink.

Other groups I listen to are Miss A, 4Minute, Sistar, K-ARA, IU, Secret, Rainbow.
Pretty much the basic groups that are out there, still not sure if i could buy male groups, lol but open to opinions
Thanks!
I ♥ KPop.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 15 2012 09:41 GMT
#44851
The Mr Taxi Japanese repackage. I want it. I saw it here and the pictures were just... OMG.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 09:43:03
January 15 2012 09:42 GMT
#44852
The fact that people are comparing HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE topics (i.e. WHICH GROUP IS BETTER IN TERMS OF VOCAL POWER) is actually ridiculous.

Has anybody ever considered that some people prefer a certain idol'(s) voice(s)? There's literally nothing you can do to change their opinions, and it's the way it is.

You can argue "oh but ______ can project his/her voice further than _______, etc - at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you enjoy the music being pushed out of the industry.

+ Show Spoiler +
Have anybody tried not listening to the groups that you don't like? I hear it helps.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 15 2012 09:45 GMT
#44853
I think you're posting in the wrong thread; this is the Korean Music Discussion. We like yelling at other people about our opinions.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
January 15 2012 09:46 GMT
#44854
On January 15 2012 18:45 DystopiaX wrote:
I think you're posting in the wrong thread; this is the Korean Music Discussion. We like yelling at other people about our opinions.


Oh true, I apologize.

Here, have some IU:

[image loading]
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 15 2012 09:49 GMT
#44855
camera...too close...to face
stablol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States82 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 10:01:19
January 15 2012 10:00 GMT
#44856
On January 15 2012 18:49 DystopiaX wrote:
camera...too close...to face

be quiet

On January 15 2012 18:42 Pulselol wrote:
The fact that people are comparing HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE topics (i.e. WHICH GROUP IS BETTER IN TERMS OF VOCAL POWER) is actually ridiculous.

Has anybody ever considered that some people prefer a certain idol'(s) voice(s)? There's literally nothing you can do to change their opinions, and it's the way it is.

You can argue "oh but ______ can project his/her voice further than _______, etc - at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you enjoy the music being pushed out of the industry.

+ Show Spoiler +
Have anybody tried not listening to the groups that you don't like? I hear it helps.

except for in cases like boa where shes clearly 100% vocally better than snsd
보아 사랑해요 짱
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 15 2012 10:01 GMT
#44857
ARE YOU GUYS THE SAME PERSON?
just realized lol
stablol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States82 Posts
January 15 2012 10:02 GMT
#44858
yes
보아 사랑해요 짱
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 15 2012 10:04 GMT
#44859
you have conversations with yourself too?

I usually don't do it on public message boards though
stablol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States82 Posts
January 15 2012 10:05 GMT
#44860
lol
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