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Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
November 29 2011 16:03 GMT
#39641
i still think Athena OST is better than Secret Gardens after listening to both repeatedly.
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Waterhaak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:10:28
November 29 2011 16:06 GMT
#39642
Anyone know if the full broadcast is watchable anywhere, I had no chance to watch anything since I had lectures all day long. Managed to follow this thread and check every now and then, but I wan't to watch the whole thing not just the cuts.

Oh and Soshi fighting, Best Female Group and Artist of the Year!
버섯보다 빛나는
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 29 2011 16:12 GMT
#39643
On November 30 2011 01:00 Lyter wrote:
B2ST winning best dance with Fiction is just one of the awards I think was wrong. Now I'm a big B2ST fan, and I think they definitely should have won something, probably best song overall tbh, but Fiction wasn't a particularly dancey song if you know what I mean, it was a bit of foot shuffling for the most part. Based on the nominations, I don't think you can really look anywhere other than Infinite or TVXQ, the others just weren't very dancey lol. And I won't even talk about artist of the year lol, SNSD winning after their worst ever promotion? K brah.

the winners are based on number of votes, right?
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:14:37
November 29 2011 16:13 GMT
#39644
Good thing I went into this with low expectations lol, 2NE1 is my second favorite group but if they won, they should've won in some categories over the ones they did win. I like Bom + Minzy's voices a lot, but best vocals is LOL. But A Pink, Beast hwaiting ~ I am happiest about those. Didn't expect my favorite LOLY POLY to win anything, but it doesn't matter because they will always win in my <3
:)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:22:32
November 29 2011 16:18 GMT
#39645
On November 30 2011 01:12 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:00 Lyter wrote:
B2ST winning best dance with Fiction is just one of the awards I think was wrong. Now I'm a big B2ST fan, and I think they definitely should have won something, probably best song overall tbh, but Fiction wasn't a particularly dancey song if you know what I mean, it was a bit of foot shuffling for the most part. Based on the nominations, I don't think you can really look anywhere other than Infinite or TVXQ, the others just weren't very dancey lol. And I won't even talk about artist of the year lol, SNSD winning after their worst ever promotion? K brah.

the winners are based on number of votes, right?


no, judging and a variety of other factors too, there is a chart that someone posted what its about.

anyway MAMA is a bit shady so I wouldn't take too much at face value.
WriterXiao8~~
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:56:23
November 29 2011 16:21 GMT
#39646
On November 30 2011 01:03 Fawkes wrote:
i still think Athena OST is better than Secret Gardens after listening to both repeatedly.

I agree.
Jang Jae In definitely gave Baek Ji Young a run for her money, there is a crazy amount of soulfulness in that voice of hers.

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Cass looks like real tasty beer.
Now you must build the lies you have told. - Looking for Boram JP single trading card, have Jiyeon.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 29 2011 16:25 GMT
#39647
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expect more by end of this week
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 29 2011 16:26 GMT
#39648
On November 30 2011 01:13 unichan wrote:
Good thing I went into this with low expectations lol, 2NE1 is my second favorite group but if they won, they should've won in some categories over the ones they did win. I like Bom + Minzy's voices a lot, but best vocals is LOL. But A Pink, Beast hwaiting ~ I am happiest about those. Didn't expect my favorite LOLY POLY to win anything, but it doesn't matter because they will always win in my <3

lol park bom has amazing voice what are you talking about
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#39649
On November 30 2011 01:26 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:13 unichan wrote:
Good thing I went into this with low expectations lol, 2NE1 is my second favorite group but if they won, they should've won in some categories over the ones they did win. I like Bom + Minzy's voices a lot, but best vocals is LOL. But A Pink, Beast hwaiting ~ I am happiest about those. Didn't expect my favorite LOLY POLY to win anything, but it doesn't matter because they will always win in my <3

lol park bom has amazing voice what are you talking about

I'm saying that she does, but it doesn't beat Davichi's or 2AM's, especially considering the types of the songs each of the groups perform D:
:)
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
November 29 2011 16:35 GMT
#39650
On November 30 2011 00:37 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:03 Lonyo wrote:
With the vocals thing, could you not consider the fact that 2NE1 has more than one style...? Sure you may not think they are the greatest singers in the style of Hyorin/Davichi/IU, but that's not everything.
Has Davichi done anything that isn't ballad type (serious question, since I don't listen to them)? Have 2NE1 done a variety of vocal styles on their recent album?
I am the Best vs Ugly vs Lonely vs Don't Cry. No vocal talents?

It's not best musical style it's best vocals. Who sings the best. 2ne1 sucks live, autotunes most of their songs. Admittedly the songs where they do sing they're better than most idol groups, but there's no way you can possibly say that they sing better than 2am or Davichi, whose whole concepts are that they're ballad groups. Their entire reason for existence is that they sing well.

edit- @NB you are aware that English is an official language of Singapore and that it's either the first or second language of 80% of the people there, right? Stop making assumptions.

They won best group vocal performance, not best singers.

If the award is supposed to be given to who sings the best, then 2NE1 shouldn't win, but the title of the award was best group vocals. Vocals isn't just singing. If it was just for best singer you are excluding all rappers/rapping, meaning something like Sistar19 shouldn't even be nominated because their 'group' performance only includes only one person singing, and Bora rapping.
HOLY CHECK!
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
November 29 2011 16:37 GMT
#39651
On November 30 2011 00:48 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:42 konadora wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:27 NB wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:21 sung_moon wrote:
^

wait what snoop+dre on a korean award show??? wtf have i been missing in the world of kpop

yup, and will.i.am singing from ipad.... tbh, i watch half of that performance than i cant stand it, close the stream... open it again to see a black guy dancing/rapping in front of non-english-audience and a bunch of kids standing behind him... => face palm => close stream

everyone here speaks english and everyone (in the standing pits at least) were enjoying themselves, even though I'm sure most of us don't know much or any of their songs (i don't know any)

What did the audience in general think of the Snoop/Dre performance? Did most of you guys know who they were or what? I mean, it was a "get" for them for sure, but only cause of their popularity in America and not really cause of any connection to kpop.

most of us were like, "well i've heard of them but i don't really know who they are. but this isn't too bad"

definitely no connection to kpop, but most of us here living in singapore (edited, since i'm not singaporean lol) generally listen to more than just kpop lol there were some ppl singing/rapping along to them in fact :o


over at the terrace there's a lot of blank stare though, mostly from those young girls that screamed like hell when Super Junior/Beast performed

lucky I bring my earphone along today
Put quote here for readability
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 29 2011 16:39 GMT
#39652
On November 30 2011 01:31 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:26 konadora wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:13 unichan wrote:
Good thing I went into this with low expectations lol, 2NE1 is my second favorite group but if they won, they should've won in some categories over the ones they did win. I like Bom + Minzy's voices a lot, but best vocals is LOL. But A Pink, Beast hwaiting ~ I am happiest about those. Didn't expect my favorite LOLY POLY to win anything, but it doesn't matter because they will always win in my <3

lol park bom has amazing voice what are you talking about

I'm saying that she does, but it doesn't beat Davichi's or 2AM's, especially considering the types of the songs each of the groups perform D:

ahhh yeah i get what you mean

i'm genuinely happy that 2NE1 got that award, but deep down i feel that either of those two should have won instead (i support 2AM more though, cus of kwonnie lol)
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 29 2011 16:39 GMT
#39653
On November 30 2011 01:37 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:48 konadora wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:42 konadora wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:27 NB wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:21 sung_moon wrote:
^

wait what snoop+dre on a korean award show??? wtf have i been missing in the world of kpop

yup, and will.i.am singing from ipad.... tbh, i watch half of that performance than i cant stand it, close the stream... open it again to see a black guy dancing/rapping in front of non-english-audience and a bunch of kids standing behind him... => face palm => close stream

everyone here speaks english and everyone (in the standing pits at least) were enjoying themselves, even though I'm sure most of us don't know much or any of their songs (i don't know any)

What did the audience in general think of the Snoop/Dre performance? Did most of you guys know who they were or what? I mean, it was a "get" for them for sure, but only cause of their popularity in America and not really cause of any connection to kpop.

most of us were like, "well i've heard of them but i don't really know who they are. but this isn't too bad"

definitely no connection to kpop, but most of us here living in singapore (edited, since i'm not singaporean lol) generally listen to more than just kpop lol there were some ppl singing/rapping along to them in fact :o


over at the terrace there's a lot of blank stare though, mostly from those young girls that screamed like hell when Super Junior/Beast performed

lucky I bring my earphone along today

lol i guess the people standing were enthusiastic :p
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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 29 2011 16:44 GMT
#39654
On November 30 2011 01:39 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:31 unichan wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:26 konadora wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:13 unichan wrote:
Good thing I went into this with low expectations lol, 2NE1 is my second favorite group but if they won, they should've won in some categories over the ones they did win. I like Bom + Minzy's voices a lot, but best vocals is LOL. But A Pink, Beast hwaiting ~ I am happiest about those. Didn't expect my favorite LOLY POLY to win anything, but it doesn't matter because they will always win in my <3

lol park bom has amazing voice what are you talking about

I'm saying that she does, but it doesn't beat Davichi's or 2AM's, especially considering the types of the songs each of the groups perform D:

ahhh yeah i get what you mean

i'm genuinely happy that 2NE1 got that award, but deep down i feel that either of those two should have won instead (i support 2AM more though, cus of kwonnie lol)

Ye, I wouldn't preferred they won best female group over snsd and had davichi/2am take that group x]
:)
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
November 29 2011 17:01 GMT
#39655
The mix for Good Bye Baby wasn't bad, I wouldn't mind an mp3 of it minus the slow part.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
KroplaBeskidu
Profile Joined June 2011
1093 Posts
November 29 2011 17:04 GMT
#39656
twenty pages about some awards which are probably just bought by companies, what's the point

On November 30 2011 01:00 Lyter wrote:And I won't even talk about artist of the year lol, SNSD winning after their worst ever promotion? K brah.


but whatever, just wanted to say whatever way you look at it supposing that's their very worst, well only thing that shows is how far ahead of the competition they really are
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:23:22
November 29 2011 17:10 GMT
#39657
^No it just shows that people are willing to accept crap because they used to be good/are still riding that wave of popularity. I think it's funny that you talk about people buying awards and then talk about how SNSD winning on a bad promotion is an achievement. According to you, it shouldn't mean anything because SM just bought the award, no?

On November 30 2011 01:00 Lyter wrote:
B2ST winning best dance with Fiction is just one of the awards I think was wrong. Now I'm a big B2ST fan, and I think they definitely should have won something, probably best song overall tbh, but Fiction wasn't a particularly dancey song if you know what I mean, it was a bit of foot shuffling for the most part. Based on the nominations, I don't think you can really look anywhere other than Infinite or TVXQ, the others just weren't very dancey lol. And I won't even talk about artist of the year lol, SNSD winning after their worst ever promotion? K brah.

Seems like one of those political-type "They couldn't possibly win in the category they should have won in, so we'll throw them a bone".

edit-
On November 30 2011 01:35 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:37 DystopiaX wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:03 Lonyo wrote:
With the vocals thing, could you not consider the fact that 2NE1 has more than one style...? Sure you may not think they are the greatest singers in the style of Hyorin/Davichi/IU, but that's not everything.
Has Davichi done anything that isn't ballad type (serious question, since I don't listen to them)? Have 2NE1 done a variety of vocal styles on their recent album?
I am the Best vs Ugly vs Lonely vs Don't Cry. No vocal talents?

It's not best musical style it's best vocals. Who sings the best. 2ne1 sucks live, autotunes most of their songs. Admittedly the songs where they do sing they're better than most idol groups, but there's no way you can possibly say that they sing better than 2am or Davichi, whose whole concepts are that they're ballad groups. Their entire reason for existence is that they sing well.

edit- @NB you are aware that English is an official language of Singapore and that it's either the first or second language of 80% of the people there, right? Stop making assumptions.

They won best group vocal performance, not best singers.

If the award is supposed to be given to who sings the best, then 2NE1 shouldn't win, but the title of the award was best group vocals. Vocals isn't just singing. If it was just for best singer you are excluding all rappers/rapping, meaning something like Sistar19 shouldn't even be nominated because their 'group' performance only includes only one person singing, and Bora rapping.

EIther way you can't argue that even with rapping/autotune (lol) the vocal talents of 2NE1 is ANYWHERE close to Davichi or 2AM, pure talent wise. Sure there's rapping, but I wouldn't consider it to be amazing rapping. They don't write their own lyrics, which I consider to be a major facet of rapping, and the actual delivery isn't anything above average either. Compare that to the voices of those two groups and there's no way in my mind that they should win that award. I could see performance or dance or some bullshit like that, but they are nowhere close to the best vocal group.

double edit- the example you brought up is I am the best vs Lonely vs Don't Cry. From autotune to singing to something in between. Breaking it down- autotune=no talent required, I could autotune a song as well as 2ne1. Singing- above average for an average/dance idol group, but we can all agree not close to a dedicated ballad group. Don't Cry- again, better than average for the category but not as good as other songs of the same type, and not really exceptional.

So really, yes 2ne1 has different musical "styles", but quantity isn't greater than quality and they aren't exceptional at any of them.

yayaya Jiyeons, for Japan version. Still hate the song, but the concept looks ok on most of them.
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and dat soyeon~
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Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
November 29 2011 17:28 GMT
#39658
Man, I teared up a little watching You Wouldn't Answer My Calls, knowing that it lost to Lonely... It breaks my manly heart.
ㅠ.ㅠ
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
November 29 2011 18:10 GMT
#39659
So I feel like the real gem of the show was Lang lang. Seeing him dancing to snoop dog and dr. dre was priceless. Also what the hell was the Miss A performance. I mean it wasn't bad but just... unexpected. Actually, now that I think about it, all of the performances had wtf moments. MAMA = madness
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TunaBarrett
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 18:41:55
November 29 2011 18:26 GMT
#39660
On November 29 2011 23:24 Moonwrath wrote:
Had a pretty good split of who actually won awards. Barring some ridiculous things like Miss A winning.


Whats ridiculous about that? Their opponents performances are all really awful, except perhaps loly poly.

Also fuck yeah snoop dogg

edit, lols at snsd trying hard to push them boobs up there.

edit2, lleessang going to the US , me jelly :E
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