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Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:13:11
November 17 2011 08:05 GMT
#38241
[image loading]

taeyeon vs jisook, since you guys will argue about anything

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i like taeyeon a lot more.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:07:51
November 17 2011 08:07 GMT
#38242
NO..NO...FUCK NO

TAENG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JISOOK

They just making similar faces in dat pic, but ji sook makes dumb face in EVERY pic, Taeng usually good.
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MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
November 17 2011 08:08 GMT
#38243
Taeyeon 8.5
Jisook 6.5
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 17 2011 08:08 GMT
#38244
On November 17 2011 16:56 Skysec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 16:29 Nos- wrote:
I don't get this whole "Sones should just ignore trolls, if they did, nothing would go wrong, so this is all the sones' fault". If there were no people trolling then there wouldn't be jack shit anywhere. What's the point of blaming the sones for their reactions instead of looking more at the people who are irking the sones in the first place?

Because from my perspective its the easiest way to stop the argument. All other fans already ignore the trolls for the most part. 2NE1 gets shit on all the time in this thread, but you don't see anywhere near the level of defensive posts from their fans.

And for me personally, it does get annoying to see the same blind devotion to a group regardless of the songs they put out.

I didn't get to weigh in when their album came out and this is just my opinion but their recent songs just haven't been anywhere near the quality of their previous songs. Its not that I don't understand difference of opinions, I know there are people who dislike "Oh" and "Mr. Taxi" (which I personally like) and there are people who like "Great Escape" and "Bad Girl" (which I didn't like), but I find it a bit baffling when somebody says they like every single song that SNSD puts out. I realize it could be their honest opinion, but its just really really really hard for me to believe that people can post and praise these songs when they have songs like "Gee" and "Genie" to compare to.

What it breaks down to is, when I compare new songs to the field of kpop songs out there, I think that some songs don't deserve the praise they get, while others are under-appreciated, and SONEs are the biggest contibuting factor to that from what I see, and they are also the ones taking the majority of the trollbait.


I can just tell all the people in this thread to ignore the SONEs' reactions, doesn't really solve the problem at all does it? I am pretty damn into SNSD, without them I wouldn't even be here, but what transpired over the past few pages have just been awful, SNSD related or not (but in the case of this thread I guess SONEs can do no right). Guess my point is that if no one troll-baited, there would be no bait to be taken. BUT I think we can all just put that ugly mess behind us and move on to the usual KMD stuff that happens in this thread.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
ThaSlayer
Profile Joined March 2011
707 Posts
November 17 2011 08:08 GMT
#38245
T-ara is back on Mnet today right?
chiwawa
Profile Joined April 2011
330 Posts
November 17 2011 08:10 GMT
#38246
On November 17 2011 17:05 Pulselol wrote:
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[image loading]


taeyeon vs jisook, since you guys will argue about anything

[image loading]
Sunye and Sica.

Just because you find a single picture with them looking a bit similar doesn't mean they are looking that similar. And In my opinion Taeyeon is way more attractive even though i'm aware there's plenty of people that likes JiSook a lot here.
시카
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:11:09
November 17 2011 08:10 GMT
#38247
it's great that my statement that you guys will argue about anything is true.

KMD, i am proud.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 17 2011 08:15 GMT
#38248
KJK>Both amirite
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MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
November 17 2011 08:16 GMT
#38249
On November 17 2011 17:10 Pulselol wrote:
it's great that my statement that you guys will argue about anything is true.

KMD, i am proud.


Point me towards the argument. Thanks.
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:17:42
November 17 2011 08:16 GMT
#38250
On November 17 2011 17:08 ThaSlayer wrote:
T-ara is back on Mnet today right?


Yes, Mnet even made a hype video about it with WG comeback and SNSD triple crown as well. Watch and lol.

Love is more fun than hate.
hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:20:53
November 17 2011 08:18 GMT
#38251
pagetop with pics is necessary. How else are we supposed to entice and lure the uninitiated that wanders in to join in our debauchery?
Skysec
Profile Joined August 2010
United States164 Posts
November 17 2011 08:19 GMT
#38252
On November 17 2011 17:08 Nos- wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2011 16:56 Skysec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 16:29 Nos- wrote:
I don't get this whole "Sones should just ignore trolls, if they did, nothing would go wrong, so this is all the sones' fault". If there were no people trolling then there wouldn't be jack shit anywhere. What's the point of blaming the sones for their reactions instead of looking more at the people who are irking the sones in the first place?

Because from my perspective its the easiest way to stop the argument. All other fans already ignore the trolls for the most part. 2NE1 gets shit on all the time in this thread, but you don't see anywhere near the level of defensive posts from their fans.

And for me personally, it does get annoying to see the same blind devotion to a group regardless of the songs they put out.

I didn't get to weigh in when their album came out and this is just my opinion but their recent songs just haven't been anywhere near the quality of their previous songs. Its not that I don't understand difference of opinions, I know there are people who dislike "Oh" and "Mr. Taxi" (which I personally like) and there are people who like "Great Escape" and "Bad Girl" (which I didn't like), but I find it a bit baffling when somebody says they like every single song that SNSD puts out. I realize it could be their honest opinion, but its just really really really hard for me to believe that people can post and praise these songs when they have songs like "Gee" and "Genie" to compare to.

What it breaks down to is, when I compare new songs to the field of kpop songs out there, I think that some songs don't deserve the praise they get, while others are under-appreciated, and SONEs are the biggest contibuting factor to that from what I see, and they are also the ones taking the majority of the trollbait.


I can just tell all the people in this thread to ignore the SONEs' reactions, doesn't really solve the problem at all does it? I am pretty damn into SNSD, without them I wouldn't even be here, but what transpired over the past few pages have just been awful, SNSD related or not (but in the case of this thread I guess SONEs can do no right). Guess my point is that if no one troll-baited, there would be no bait to be taken. BUT I think we can all just put that ugly mess behind us and move on to the usual KMD stuff that happens in this thread.

Except the whole point of trolling is to get a response. You can't tell people to ignore SONEs responses because that's the goal in the first place for the trolls. They want you to respond so they can continue to troll you.
Trolling will happen regardless, and most of the time its something small and not obviously a troll, and sometimes its something that the original poster didn't intend to be a troll. But as soon as somebody takes a personal offense at said troll post and actually responds, then the whole thread goes to shit.

It only takes one side to not post in order for us to avoid this whole thread shitting. Obviously XaI)CyRiC's post is an attempt to stop or at least stymie the trolling side. I'm trying to get your side (the intended or sometimes not intended recipients of the trolling) to stop responding.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
November 17 2011 08:19 GMT
#38253
On November 17 2011 17:16 MethodSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 17:10 Pulselol wrote:
it's great that my statement that you guys will argue about anything is true.

KMD, i am proud.


Point me towards the argument. Thanks.


implying this entire thread of 1900+ pages isn't a massive argumental circle jerk.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 17 2011 08:21 GMT
#38254
Special stages huh?

That could get interesting maybe colleberations or covers, rooting for a WG win anyway.
WriterXiao8~~
Ixas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
930 Posts
November 17 2011 08:33 GMT
#38255
On November 17 2011 17:08 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 16:56 Skysec wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:29 Nos- wrote:
I don't get this whole "Sones should just ignore trolls, if they did, nothing would go wrong, so this is all the sones' fault". If there were no people trolling then there wouldn't be jack shit anywhere. What's the point of blaming the sones for their reactions instead of looking more at the people who are irking the sones in the first place?

Because from my perspective its the easiest way to stop the argument. All other fans already ignore the trolls for the most part. 2NE1 gets shit on all the time in this thread, but you don't see anywhere near the level of defensive posts from their fans.

And for me personally, it does get annoying to see the same blind devotion to a group regardless of the songs they put out.

I didn't get to weigh in when their album came out and this is just my opinion but their recent songs just haven't been anywhere near the quality of their previous songs. Its not that I don't understand difference of opinions, I know there are people who dislike "Oh" and "Mr. Taxi" (which I personally like) and there are people who like "Great Escape" and "Bad Girl" (which I didn't like), but I find it a bit baffling when somebody says they like every single song that SNSD puts out. I realize it could be their honest opinion, but its just really really really hard for me to believe that people can post and praise these songs when they have songs like "Gee" and "Genie" to compare to.

What it breaks down to is, when I compare new songs to the field of kpop songs out there, I think that some songs don't deserve the praise they get, while others are under-appreciated, and SONEs are the biggest contibuting factor to that from what I see, and they are also the ones taking the majority of the trollbait.


I can just tell all the people in this thread to ignore the SONEs' reactions, doesn't really solve the problem at all does it? I am pretty damn into SNSD, without them I wouldn't even be here, but what transpired over the past few pages have just been awful, SNSD related or not (but in the case of this thread I guess SONEs can do no right). Guess my point is that if no one troll-baited, there would be no bait to be taken. BUT I think we can all just put that ugly mess behind us and move on to the usual KMD stuff that happens in this thread.

Doesn't work this way. The SONE reaction is what is rewarding to hate inciting. Ever tried irritating the monkey behind the cage? Nobody's gonna stop if u see the monkey go "apeshit", its jus too entertaining. On the other hand, if the monkey dun respond, the perpetuators will stop as there is nothing rewarding their actions.
This is jus as example, not implying SONEs are monkeys
Ixas.parkjiyeon.net
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:54:54
November 17 2011 08:34 GMT
#38256
For those other 2NE1 fans (yes, I'm one):

I've been a fan of this group since they came out simply because they brought something very different to the Kpop scene from what was (and has) been being put out by everyone else, and because of the YG flair that all of their artists have. While they're certainly not going to win any contests involving physical appearance (although I know some of us think they're not quite as unattractive as this thread generally makes them out to be), I like the fact that each member has a unique look or feel to them.

A lot of people don't seem to like their songs, but I've liked most of them. I feel like they're music is more Western-styled, but I'm no expert. I feel like their music is more like what you'd hear in the US, and that it's generally fun music that I could imagine dancing to at a club. Fire started this trend, and remains probably my favorite song of theirs. I'll admit that I'm The Best didn't appeal to me right away, but the beat grew on me and I find myself bobbing my head to it when it comes on in the car.

I like that you can easily identify and distinguish the members in each of their songs. Obviously, it's a lot easier to do so in a smaller group (as opposed to a larger one like SNSD), but I really feel that each member has a very distinct sound. Their voices all stand out, even amongst other Kpop idols, who I feel all seem to strive for the same type of sound. I'm not going to pretend that 2NE1 are the best singers talent or technique-wise, but somehow their sound appeals to me and it's nothing something I hear in other Kpop groups.

2NE1tv has been fun to watch, and it's revealed the group to have some very interesting personalities. SNSD had a similar show (SNSD Goes To School or something?), and it's how I grew to like that group as well. I think it's entertaining, and great for fans, to get to know the group members off the stage, and it serves to just further distinguish the members from each other. I feel like this past season of 2NE1tv had way too much Dara on it, and that she tended to get too emo at times, but it was still entertaining enough. It's always cool to catch glimpses of the rest of the YG Family as well since they're generally quite reclusive.

Lastly, I think that of all the Kpop groups, they're the most capable of succeeding in the US or Western market. As I said above, I think their music is just more of a Western style and sounds like music I hear on the radio here. CL, Bom and Dara all have good English from living outside of Korea for significant periods of time, and Minzy has surprisingly good English for someone who's lived in Korea all her life (as you can hear when she performs songs like Take A Bow). YG also seems the most Western-friendly of all the major Korean music companies, and they have relationships with people like the Black Eyed Peas, Ludacris, Jeremy Scott, Diplo, etc. I remember Mobb Deep performing on a Jinusean track back in the day, so it's nothing new for them. I could see them releasing an English album and performing in English without having a significant accent (compare the English versions of Can't Nobody and The Boys and the difference is noticeable), and they'd be able to handle interviews well.

Some performances I liked:
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 17 2011 08:39 GMT
#38257
YEAHHH Content.

I like 2ne1. ^^
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:40:46
November 17 2011 08:40 GMT
#38258
I like 2NE1 too. Their acoustic version of Lonely was amazing. Once I heard that I immediately learned it on the guitar, such a good song. Plus Minzy is a badass. I'm not much of a fan of Bom though, but tbh I don't really know them that well, just their music really.

edit: Seemingly obligatory SNSD crap from me. This week will be the last week for The Boys promotion.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
November 17 2011 08:40 GMT
#38259
On November 17 2011 17:33 Ixas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 17:08 Nos- wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:56 Skysec wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:29 Nos- wrote:
I don't get this whole "Sones should just ignore trolls, if they did, nothing would go wrong, so this is all the sones' fault". If there were no people trolling then there wouldn't be jack shit anywhere. What's the point of blaming the sones for their reactions instead of looking more at the people who are irking the sones in the first place?

Because from my perspective its the easiest way to stop the argument. All other fans already ignore the trolls for the most part. 2NE1 gets shit on all the time in this thread, but you don't see anywhere near the level of defensive posts from their fans.

And for me personally, it does get annoying to see the same blind devotion to a group regardless of the songs they put out.

I didn't get to weigh in when their album came out and this is just my opinion but their recent songs just haven't been anywhere near the quality of their previous songs. Its not that I don't understand difference of opinions, I know there are people who dislike "Oh" and "Mr. Taxi" (which I personally like) and there are people who like "Great Escape" and "Bad Girl" (which I didn't like), but I find it a bit baffling when somebody says they like every single song that SNSD puts out. I realize it could be their honest opinion, but its just really really really hard for me to believe that people can post and praise these songs when they have songs like "Gee" and "Genie" to compare to.

What it breaks down to is, when I compare new songs to the field of kpop songs out there, I think that some songs don't deserve the praise they get, while others are under-appreciated, and SONEs are the biggest contibuting factor to that from what I see, and they are also the ones taking the majority of the trollbait.


I can just tell all the people in this thread to ignore the SONEs' reactions, doesn't really solve the problem at all does it? I am pretty damn into SNSD, without them I wouldn't even be here, but what transpired over the past few pages have just been awful, SNSD related or not (but in the case of this thread I guess SONEs can do no right). Guess my point is that if no one troll-baited, there would be no bait to be taken. BUT I think we can all just put that ugly mess behind us and move on to the usual KMD stuff that happens in this thread.

Doesn't work this way. The SONE reaction is what is rewarding to hate inciting. Ever tried irritating the monkey behind the cage? Nobody's gonna stop if u see the monkey go "apeshit", its jus too entertaining. On the other hand, if the monkey dun respond, the perpetuators will stop as there is nothing rewarding their actions.
This is jus as example, not implying SONEs are monkeys


Entertaining or not, it needs to stop or at least be toned down significantly. Following your example, there's no excuse for inciting monkeys behind a cage, no matter how entertaining their reactions may be, and the inciters will be responsible for the mess made by the monkeys due to their inciting them.

Go ahead and continue to bait and troll whoever you want if it amuses you, just don't be surprised if your ability to post on these forums is compromised as a result.
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Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 08:42:20
November 17 2011 08:41 GMT
#38260
2NE1 style def. has the biggest chance of making it into the US, I love their stuff (except fire and I am the best). I think they're working with Will I Am??? I read that in the NY article about SM TOWN @ MSG, and the Korean Wave. Black Eyed Peas are under Interscope, and so is SNSD, I wonder how that'll play out with Will working with 2ne1.

edit: I love bommies solos, plus lyddz helped co-produce Don't Cry :D
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