EPTIn all honesty, every story ever told is unoriginal if you look at it from a criticism PoV, because of either human experience or conjecture of human behavior given certain situations.
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
In all honesty, every story ever told is unoriginal if you look at it from a criticism PoV, because of either human experience or conjecture of human behavior given certain situations. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32097 Posts
On May 20 2010 15:06 FuDDx wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/FuDDx/2009_07055-19-10Ball-D-T0023.jpg) you have the uncanny ability to un-fuck any thread with balloon pictures e: that avatar looks smug as hell | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 20 2010 03:07 hmpstr wrote: The movie was entertaining enough on cinema, wouldn't like it at all on a regular TV. Shallow characters and predictability kinda ruins a lot, and its barely saved by the great visuals. I hear people saying this is an awesome movie or the best movie they've seen, that is just ridiculous in my opinion. characters and plot > visuals I think this sums it up perfectly. I can see how it would be exhilarating in a 3D theater, but when you take that away, even on a nice flat screen TV, it's not a particularly good movie. If you had to compare it to other good/great blockbuster action movies, it's definitely behind Return of the King, Gladiator, Dark Knight, etc. I did think most of the acting was done well, especially because they managed to make CGI humanoids not creepy. The story is just garbage though. It's one thing to take a story and put a twist on it, but I don't think there is any twist. I don't know how to describe it, except that I cringed every time someone got hurt or died because it was so obvious and cheesy. It's a totally subjective negative experience, that I think a lot of people share. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
I like the concept of the Avatar which, incidentally (forget who argued this), is not a term that originated from internet gaming; its a Hindu word meaning "Representative of God" or something similar. So the Terrans saw themselves as gods, going down to the natives. This wasn't the best told story in the world, but did anyone really expect it to be? It has great visuals, and some powerfully emotionally moments. It draws on the trail of tears in a very gut-punch sort of way. Also: Na'vi were WAY underpowered. They got buffed but GOOD after they were wiped out so hard in the first battle. Patch Notes for Avatar: - Navi arrows are now nuclear propelled - Navi have new unit: the BBP. Big as Battlecruiser Pterodactyl. - Navi macro has increased by a factor of 20 | ||
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ArKaDo
France121 Posts
On May 20 2010 17:55 Ciryandor wrote: Do we really want to turn this thread into a literati thread on origins and creativity, or should we just let it die a regular death? In all honesty, every story ever told is unoriginal if you look at it from a criticism PoV, because of either human experience or conjecture of human behavior given certain situations. "Every story ever told is unoriginal"... Sorry please be serious a little. You can argue that Avatar is a good or even a great movie, that's your opinion and I have nothing to say against that. But seriously, there are movie that are originals, even if there is always influence. There is a big difference between being influenced and strictly copying/transposing the same plot in another context/time/skin color. By the way, I don't understand why some people are so agressiv about this film: You liked it? Well good for you! We are nothing to tell you that you are wrong... But please, accept that some people actually think that avatar is overhyped or is not the "killer movie" some claim it is. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 20 2010 23:15 Autofire2 wrote: It has great visuals, and some powerfully emotionally moments. It draws on the trail of tears in a very gut-punch sort of way. I think that's what I disagree with the most. It's the same with the Blind Side. Some people thought it was powerful and emotional, I thought it was a racist piece of shit. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32097 Posts
On May 20 2010 23:26 Jibba wrote: I think that's what I disagree with the most. It's the same with the Blind Side. Some people thought it was powerful and emotional, I thought it was a racist piece of shit. the movie itself, or the characters in the blind side were racist?? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32097 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
In fact, he basically earns nothing on his own. You've got a story about a black kid from an awful background, who grew up with things that no one should have to deal with, yet became a good person and turned himself into an NFL player, and they made the hero of the story a stereotypical sassy white woman. It supposedly deals with race, yet it's a movie targeted towards white people and meant to make them feel better. There's my analysis. Want me to do Remember the Titans next? | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On May 20 2010 14:14 condoriano wrote: Are you guys idiots? I was being sarcastic about the "Yes" album, you really can't tell? Reread the post and you still can't tell? And the thing i linked, avatarhasthesameplotaseverything.blogspot.com? No hints? What a worthless effort by me haha. Are you? Sarcasm can only be detected through tone of voice...... | ||
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
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gyth
657 Posts
The amazing 3d visuals in cinema only add that cherry on top. I felt the visuals were often jarring, like the floating seeds that you couldn't focus on. Faking a shallow depth of field makes sense for a 2D movie, but in a 3D movie its borderline nauseating. | ||
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condoriano
United States826 Posts
On May 21 2010 00:30 SichuanPanda wrote: Are you? Sarcasm can only be detected through tone of voice...... that's in canada? I'm not sure anymore... honestly, you 2 were probably the only ones, and the first guy realized it sooner than later. Sucks for you  On May 20 2010 23:26 Jibba wrote: I think that's what I disagree with the most. It's the same with the Blind Side. Some people thought it was powerful and emotional, I thought it was a racist piece of shit. rofl another valid opinion! | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 21 2010 00:30 SichuanPanda wrote: Are you? Sarcasm can only be detected through tone of voice...... Maybe if you have no brain that's the case. I could tell he was being sarcastic by the way the post was formatted. Maybe that's just an ability you gain after reading over a million forum posts over ones life time. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32097 Posts
On May 21 2010 00:10 Jibba wrote: Dumb negro is too stupid to understand football until gracious white people explain it to him like he's a two year old. They took a position (OL) that's usually considered one of the most cerebral positions in football, and reduced his ability to some bullshit "protective instinct." It's the same as saying black athletes are naturally fast, and they don't work as hard for it as other athletes. Oher said all of that was bullshit. In fact, he basically earns nothing on his own. You've got a story about a black kid from an awful background, who grew up with things that no one should have to deal with, yet became a good person and turned himself into an NFL player, and they made the hero of the story a stereotypical sassy white woman. It supposedly deals with race, yet it's a movie targeted towards white people and meant to make them feel better. There's my analysis. Want me to do Remember the Titans next? haha well it is kind of hard to argue with that at any rate, Oher is supposedly writing his own book about it. I'd be interested to see the real thing instead of the hollywood spin the movie got | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On May 20 2010 23:19 ArKaDo wrote: "Every story ever told is unoriginal"... Sorry please be serious a little. You can argue that Avatar is a good or even a great movie, that's your opinion and I have nothing to say against that. But seriously, there are movie that are originals, even if there is always influence. There is a big difference between being influenced and strictly copying/transposing the same plot in another context/time/skin color. By the way, I don't understand why some people are so agressiv about this film: You liked it? Well good for you! We are nothing to tell you that you are wrong... But please, accept that some people actually think that avatar is overhyped or is not the "killer movie" some claim it is. All I'm pointing out is that all the vitriol against it for being such a mash-up of different, more powerful stories is 1. Justifiable because it didn't reach out in the story-telling department in creating the twists that would provoke the emotional reaction/s in the viewer, like say Titanic did by piling on the weight of a historical event, societal barriers and whatnot. and 2. Moot because; see quote below in bolded italics, as I couldn't have said it any better. It was an excellently executed project behind the camera. Personally, I hold the view that it was and will be remembered for its technical achievements, much like The Jazz Singer is today remembered for being the movie that ushered in the talkie era. On a tangent, why did viewers keep on coming back to these two films by Cameron? What do you think binds them together? Do you think it's more of the "cinematic experience" of these films? On May 20 2010 23:15 Autofire2 wrote: It's clearly not (and for centuries has not been) about doing something original, but by doing something WELL and/or in a fresh way (which is not the same as original) ... Also: Na'vi were WAY underpowered. They got buffed but GOOD after they were wiped out so hard in the first battle. Patch Notes for Avatar: - Navi arrows are now nuclear propelled - Navi have new unit: the BBP. Big as Battlecruiser Pterodactyl. - Navi macro has increased by a factor of 20 That's only for version 1.1. You forgot the later updates: - Navi Batrider Upgrade now increases rate of fire - Navi Bats can now be produced without archer riders - Navi Avatar now can use Concussive Grenades - Navi Archers now have bonus damage against Light Units Edit: I just find it offensive and belittling to say that there is a lack of seriousness to saying that originality is extinct in storytelling, it simply depends on how one would define originality. Edit 2: I hate semantics. | ||
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ZeaLL
Canada53 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Dancing with Wolves definitely had better dialogue. Besides that, it's easier to relate to the material. | ||
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