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On January 20 2010 13:22 ShcShc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 11:52 Saturnize wrote:On January 20 2010 11:49 ShcShc wrote:On January 20 2010 07:00 Romance_us wrote:On January 20 2010 06:58 Dave[9] wrote:
NO ITS REAL, DONT LIE TO ME </3 I want ShcShc to Tell me How Good and Powerful avatar is!!!!!! I think its one of Cameron's weaker movies from a cinematic viewpoint. I think this is one of most powerful propaganda film in decades from a cultural phenomenon viewpoint. I don't see how a movie can be bad from a cinematic viewpoint and then good in changing peoples minds on a certain issue. Usually people aren't swayed by something that doesn't look very good. Lol. Don't you get it? Don't you get why the message was so "in your face"? In 10-15 years, we're going to be facing the problems that Avatar is trying to expose at the moment. This is obvious to James Cameron, to most of the scientists in the world, etc... And here we are still debating whether climate change is real when there are just so many other problems that will come not too long from now. What we are living now is not sustainable. Avatar is trying to help get the pro-environment group moving faster or at least influence the next generation. For "just a movie", it has wonderfully succeeded. I'm going sound a little pretentious, but we're going go through major major changes in our lifestyle for better or worse in 5-10 years. Take what my word is worth (whether you think what I say is bs or not, I don't really care), but the evidences seem a tad' overwhelming by now. Just my 2 cents.
Every generation says the same damn thing. The world keeps spinning. I'm pretty sure the people living in the 1940's thought the world had major changes coming. And then the people in the 1970's thought the world had major changes coming. Stop being so damn melodramatic about it. The world changes. It's not a big surprise.
This film is nothing but another Hollywood blockbuster that riffs on edgy left-wing sentiments while using the most basic low-brow appeals to turn a profit. It's nothing special, nothing revolutionary, it's just another damn example of how good the US entertainment machine is at creating profitable merchandise.
Look at Lord of War or Syriana. Better films with decent messages about things that should change in our time. They sold well. Had some play with audiences. Did it make a shit of difference in the weapons industry? Not one bit.
Sorry for being negative but it turns my stomach when I see the same old dog perform the same old trick and a bright-eyed new generation thinks they're seeing something special. The only thing that's improved are the flashy colors.
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On January 20 2010 13:40 ShcShc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 13:32 TanGeng wrote:
lol, climate is achangin'
and really is anyone really going to choose to go live in the forest like a bunch of aborigines? And how many people in the world will be able to live like that - maybe 100 million at most?
I rather thought that Avatar is using the environmental movement to make money rather than acting as a good objective promotion of it. Having an exaggerated portray is probably going to end up hurting the environmental movement in the long run because none of the ideas portrayed as the ideal are remotely feasible, and the backlash to that will be in the opposite direction.
It's unfortunate but it might get some people to try jump into really stupid unsustainable green investments when a more steady, methodical, and prudent approach would be better. But such is the world we live in. heh I think that's how a lot and a lot of people are thinking. This isin't about living in a forest, but having a society that is at least sustainable in the medium-term. We are using 120-140% more resources than nature can replenish and we are using more resources every year (I believe the 80s were around 95-100%). What its trying to say is "Be smart when using the resources". or the whole shareholder part of the movie. Its true. Corporation CEOs are not all bad, but the shareholder system forces corporations to make these sometimes hainous decisions. Anyway, again, take my word for it. You're still going think "its all bs" because it takes more than just a TL post to truly convince someone. But I did think like you probably 3-4 years ago; the whole "the green movement is stupid". And as someone who is studying in Business, I do agree there's a lot of questionable moves, but the hard fact is that we can't live the way we are now for another 10-15 years. Heck, oil is already soon peaking and would have peaked if it wasn't for the economic meltdown. What the hell do we do if oil demand goes up?
Green movement on its foundation is not stupid. Many facets of the green movement is stupid. The idealization of living in trees like a bunch of savages is also stupid. Engaging in this kind of foolishness detracts from viable activities that are truly wise. (there is no sustainable living option in Avatar, not in the modern sense of human society - Avatar only presents two polar opposite, one pole with all its flaws in the open to see - and the other glorified with all flaws hidden)
The eventuality of having to change the foundations of the world economy off of fossil fuels is a reality, but you seem quite sure of that 10-15 year number. I, however, would be willing to bet 5-to-1 against that it won't happen during that time. There is no "imminent" disaster even though it is better to conserve even if it's just for the sake of your own wallet.
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And then the people in the 1970's thought the world had major changes coming. Stop being so damn melodramatic about it. The world changes. It's not a big surprise.
Yeah, this is very true. There were many who thoughts an ice age was coming, but that ended up to be bs.
@ StorkHwaiting / TanGeng about climate change/environment sustainability/ etc..
That's perfectly fine. I don't think any of us will be able to convince each other.
Maybe I do sound melodramatic, but I'l always try to look at things subjectively and I try to be conservative in what I think. Just don't take whats happening at these moments too lightly. Its not a subject that is without foundation.
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Wow this thread isn't dead yet.
If anything the movie has sparked discussion, regardless of how mundane or pointless.
Nothing changes the fact the movie is well worth the price of admission for everyone to see at least once in 3d.
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Hey uh, it aint the top grossing movie of all time.
It's just the 34th(?) if you take in inflation.
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On January 23 2010 11:39 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Hey uh, it aint the top grossing movie of all time.
It's just the 34th(?) if you take in inflation.
no shit, my great grandfather gave up 2 slaves to watch The Great Train Robbery
wtf 2 slaves --> 14$
imo inflated
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On January 23 2010 11:39 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Hey uh, it aint the top grossing movie of all time.
It's just the 34th(?) if you take in inflation.
It will end up in the top 10 with inflation taken into account eventually, ie somewhere around 800 million in North America, and close to 3 billion worldwide.
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Also, the inflation argument is completely pointless. Every era has its big films, and you cannot compare one with other. Today movies are more frontloaded than ever. DVD/Blue-ray comes out months after their theater release, which means movies will only stay in theatre for a few months. Titanic had a 10 months theatrical run. ET and Star Wars had years, and re-released multiple times. Gone with the wind and sound of music are re-released for dozens of times. Today We have computers/internet/online site and it is much harder to have something as big as titanic today as in the 1990s. In the end Avatar will be the most impressive theatrical run since Titanic, and will probably remain for a long time.
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Also there are more people now. Is x million viewers today worth more or less than x million viewers back then. To make the determination of which film was "biggest" you have to make all these other determinations.
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On January 23 2010 11:53 sassy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 11:39 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Hey uh, it aint the top grossing movie of all time.
It's just the 34th(?) if you take in inflation. no shit, my great grandfather gave up 2 slaves to watch The Great Train Robbery wtf 2 slaves --> 14$ imo inflated
Haha
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I just saw it and I liked it very much. The story is predictable yes and yadda yadda yadda. I liked it because Cameron made Pandora so very real, new and exciting. When Jake opens his eyes I wanted to see what was next. I'm already waiting for the sequel. And btw the scene where he gets his ikran sorta looked like rape  .
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This movie reminds me a lot about pocahontas.
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On January 24 2010 02:27 Archerofaiur wrote:
Also there are more people now. Is x million viewers today worth more or less than x million viewers back then. To make the determination of which film was "biggest" you have to make all these other determinations.
The box office comparisons are ridiculous because older movies ran for much longer times because the industry wasn't saturated with films. Gone with the Wind was in theaters for years. Plus, if you're talking about how much money a movie makes, then you have to consider home version sales as well, which are obviously much higher for newer movies.
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On January 20 2010 13:56 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 13:22 ShcShc wrote:
Lol.
Don't you get it?
Don't you get why the message was so "in your face"?
In 10-15 years, we're going to be facing the problems that Avatar is trying to expose at the moment.
This is obvious to James Cameron, to most of the scientists in the world, etc...
And here we are still debating whether climate change is real when there are just so many other problems that will come not too long from now. What we are living now is not sustainable. Avatar is trying to help get the pro-environment group moving faster or at least influence the next generation. For "just a movie", it has wonderfully succeeded.
I'm going sound a little pretentious, but we're going go through major major changes in our lifestyle for better or worse in 5-10 years. Take what my word is worth (whether you think what I say is bs or not, I don't really care), but the evidences seem a tad' overwhelming by now.
Just my 2 cents. Every generation says the same damn thing. The world keeps spinning. I'm pretty sure the people living in the 1940's thought the world had major changes coming. And then the people in the 1970's thought the world had major changes coming. Stop being so damn melodramatic about it. The world changes. It's not a big surprise. This film is nothing but another Hollywood blockbuster that riffs on edgy left-wing sentiments while using the most basic low-brow appeals to turn a profit. It's nothing special, nothing revolutionary, it's just another damn example of how good the US entertainment machine is at creating profitable merchandise. Look at Lord of War or Syriana. Better films with decent messages about things that should change in our time. They sold well. Had some play with audiences. Did it make a shit of difference in the weapons industry? Not one bit. Sorry for being negative but it turns my stomach when I see the same old dog perform the same old trick and a bright-eyed new generation thinks they're seeing something special. The only thing that's improved are the flashy colors.
Actually, this movie does accomplish something. Cameron has really shown the power of 3D in this one, and I think it's going to revolutionize the movie industry.
What was truly impressive was the different than standard approach to the use of 3D effects as Cameron used it to add depth to the picture and not, like it's most common, make shit appear in front of your face.
I respect that as the overall experience is awesome, it's like watching a full HD movie in even greater HD.
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And Avatar is now the highest grossing film of all time.
GG!
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On January 25 2010 05:08 Archerofaiur wrote:And Avatar is now the highest grossing film of all time.
GG!
No, Titanic is still is.
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On January 25 2010 05:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 05:08 Archerofaiur wrote:And Avatar is now the highest grossing film of all time.
GG! No, Titanic is still is.
Kespa would give it to Avatar :p
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I saw the movie, it's the most enjoyable movie I've seen in a while.
9/10
if the story/characters were better, then it would've been 13/10 coz that would've been unlike anything we've ever seen so far.
Anyone who hates on this beautiful film is just a bitter, bitter person.
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I can't believe I havent watched the movie yet
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