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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On January 11 2010 08:45 Dave[9] wrote: is this thread still about Avatar? No its about rationing of healthcare in a resource depleted future. | ||
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meteorskunk
Canada546 Posts
Also... there is some pretty sick military technology this day and age and a lot of people not able to get the health care they need. peep sicko.. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 11 2010 08:06 Archerofaiur wrote: Malaria causes about 250 million cases of fever and approximately one million deaths annually. And your point is? One million deaths in Africa is bad now? There's a food shortage there too, think having another 1 million mouths to potentially starve is better now? Problems are rarely so simple as that. Day, there isn't anything new to be said. Pretty much Avatar is a great advancement in technology and people aren't exaggerating when they say it'll revolutionize cinema in that regards. However, when people say it's a good movie with so many problems, that's misleading at best, it's a new age movie with passable dialogue, plot, etc. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On January 11 2010 13:03 Judicator wrote: And your point is? One million deaths in Africa is bad now? There's a food shortage there too, think having another 1 million mouths to potentially starve is better now? Problems are rarely so simple as that. Whats your point? Mine is that just because technology can cure something doesnt mean everyone can always afford it. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 11 2010 13:08 Archerofaiur wrote: Whats your point? Mine is that just because technology can cure something doesnt mean everyone can always afford it. And mine is just because technology can cure something doesn't mean it always matters or should. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 11 2010 09:55 meteorskunk wrote: I don't understand all of this criticism based on whats believable. If everything was judged by this standard, I don't think anything would be good. If you really think about it most film//television isn't really that believable. But thats no fun. That being said... I understand the purpose of arguing this. Also... there is some pretty sick military technology this day and age and a lot of people not able to get the health care they need. peep sicko.. Hola. In terms of believability, Avatar is pretty much top notch. Even the Profs at McGill were praising the science behind it. The only problem they had was that it was too 'Earth-like' and the probability of that happening is to say the least, nearly impossible... But based on a small glimpse at the recent topics, it seems much more on whether spinal cords could be fixed in "their time" and whether or not Jake had enough money to fix it ...which, to be honest, looked pretty childish as a debate. ... And people who are dismissing the plot doesn't seem to realize that this is a propaganda movie and to further the pro-environment movement. Any complex movie with hidden themes would NOT fulfill the movie's goal of raising more awareness. Remember, propaganda is not always a bad thing. James Cameron isin't in it for the money, but to change the world as much as he can. And judging by the impact it has done so far, the plot is a great success. (though I understand completely why you/other people won't/don't like it). I had a 15 year old teaching me the importance of nature the other day (pretty much fulfills J.C's goals imo). | ||
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Alchemyst
United States36 Posts
On January 11 2010 13:27 ShcShc wrote: Hola. In terms of believability, Avatar is pretty much top notch. Even the Profs at McGill were praising the science behind it. The only problem they had was that it was too 'Earth-like' and the probability of that happening is to say the least, nearly impossible... But based on a small glimpse at the recent topics, it seems much more on whether spinal cords could be fixed in "their time" and whether or not Jake had enough money to fix it ...which, to be honest, looked pretty childish as a debate. ... And people who are dismissing the plot doesn't seem to realize that this is a propaganda movie and to further the pro-environment movement. Any complex movie with hidden themes would NOT fulfill the movie's goal of raising more awareness. Remember, propaganda is not always a bad thing. James Cameron isin't in it for the money, but to change the world as much as he can. And judging by the impact it has done so far, the plot is a great success. (though I understand completely why you/other people won't/don't like it). I had a 15 year old teaching me the importance of nature the other day (pretty much fulfills J.C's goals imo). Give me a quote where the makers said it was made specifically to raise awareness of the environment. First thing I thought of after hearing about Avatar's plot? This animated film. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 11 2010 13:47 Alchemyst wrote: Give me a quote where the makers said it was made specifically to raise awareness of the environment. First thing I thought of after hearing about Avatar's plot? This animated film. Uh you really need a quote? Its almost in-your-face. But whatever, here it is nonetheless. http://countercultureconservative.wordpress.com/tag/james-cameron-avatar-environmentalism-indulgence-globar-warming-sin-tax-energy-tax-global-warming/ The whole plot reads like a history book + what's going to happen in the future. "if we don’t wise up and start seeking a life that’s in balance with the natural cycles of life on earth.” ...and the unfortunate part is that its true. What we are living today is not sustainable. Global Warming is a big concern, but that's probably minimal in comparison to over-exploitation. We are using about 120 to 140% more resources than nature can regenerate every year. ...and if Copahagen resolved ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of global warming; I don't think we will ever do anything about over-exploitation until we physically suffer the consequences. But again, the ending of Avatar is actually pretty gloomy. + Show Spoiler + When Eyoa (or however you spell her) comes to the rescue. It pretty much means: "no matter how powerful your technology is, if you don't achieve the balance, you will get fucked over." | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On January 11 2010 13:27 ShcShc wrote: Hola. In terms of believability, Avatar is pretty much top notch. Even the Profs at McGill were praising the science behind it. The only problem they had was that it was too 'Earth-like' and the probability of that happening is to say the least, nearly impossible... ...What? Then maybe McGill needs different professors... There's a field that's strong enough to levitate giant fucking mountains miles in the air, but nothing else in the area levitates, and human technology can operate fine in this environment? This field is content to interfere with some magnetic compasses, but has otherwise no effect on anything else, despite being powerful enough, as I said, to levitate GIANT FUCKING MOUNTAINS? Also, we can travel to other solar systems and transport stuff to make a city, but we can't make a windshield out of something that won't be shattered by a wooden arrow? I could go on, but yeah. Defend this movie how you will, but do not defend its scientific merits, of which there are little to none. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
But back on topic, a thing not many people have talked regarding the movie is the soundtrack which is absolutely phenomenal. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On January 11 2010 14:01 ShcShc wrote: Uh you really need a quote? Its almost in-your-face. But whatever, here it is nonetheless. http://countercultureconservative.wordpress.com/tag/james-cameron-avatar-environmentalism-indulgence-globar-warming-sin-tax-energy-tax-global-warming/ The whole plot reads like a history book + what's going to happen in the future. "if we don’t wise up and start seeking a life that’s in balance with the natural cycles of life on earth.” ...and the unfortunate part is that its true. What we are living today is not sustainable. Global Warming is a big concern, but that's probably minimal in comparison to over-exploitation. We are using about 120 to 140% more resources than nature can regenerate every year. ...and if Copahagen resolved ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of global warming; I don't think we will ever do anything about over-exploitation until we physically suffer the consequences. But again, the ending of Avatar is actually pretty gloomy. + Show Spoiler + When Eyoa (or however you spell her) comes to the rescue. It pretty much means: "no matter how powerful your technology is, if you don't achieve the balance, you will get fucked over." As much as people call the plot "childish" it really is sad. Anyway you slice it the situation is bleak. The nearest star is 1.37 lightyears away and we have no feasible way of getting there in a reasonable time. And humanity will have really hit the jackpot if the resource to our salvation (unobtainium) just happens to rest there. Meanwhile population growth continues at an astounding rate (studies say 9 billion by 2050). As depressing as the thought is this planet appears to be our cradle and our casket. So yah laugh and call Avatar's message shallow. Say its been done over and over and wasnt surprising (hah). But one way or another, that message will be the most important message humanity never listened to. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On January 11 2010 08:34 DwmC_Foefen wrote: Thread still going I see? This is laughable :p wtf do you find laughable? | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
...What? Then maybe McGill needs different professors... Yes because you definitely have more merits than McGill Profs  In terms of the technology, eco-systems, etc... Avatar is the most believable. Ask around But yes, you are right about the the floating mountains: its an alien property that is truly science-FICTION. Though I find it funny how you dismiss the movie as having "little to no science". Also, we can travel to other solar systems and transport stuff to make a city, but we can't make a windshield out of something that won't be shattered by a wooden arrow? That has nothing to do with science. Its one of those childish discussions like the spinal thing. (imo, no offense lol. just my opinion) | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 11 2010 14:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ...What? Then maybe McGill needs different professors... There's a field that's strong enough to levitate giant fucking mountains miles in the air, but nothing else in the area levitates, and human technology can operate fine in this environment? This field is content to interfere with some magnetic compasses, but has otherwise no effect on anything else, despite being powerful enough, as I said, to levitate GIANT FUCKING MOUNTAINS? Also, we can travel to other solar systems and transport stuff to make a city, but we can't make a windshield out of something that won't be shattered by a wooden arrow? I could go on, but yeah. Defend this movie how you will, but do not defend its scientific merits, of which there are little to none. lol Carnivorous why are you jumping in now? Look at the last 8 pages where archerofaiur has tried to do exactly that. The guy's been on a crusade to prove Avatar is 100% solid science AND that James Cameron tells NASA what to do. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On January 11 2010 14:35 StorkHwaiting wrote: lol Carnivorous why are you jumping in now? Look at the last 8 pages where archerofaiur has tried to do exactly that. The guy's been on a crusade to prove Avatar is 100% solid science AND that James Cameron tells NASA what to do. False. I never said it was 100% science but nice try. Your claim was that it was impossible that in a resource depleted future ruled by conglomorate corporations a soldier wouldnt be able to afford a spinal repair. And I refuted that. I also challenged you to find a sci fi movie that did a better job of adhereing to the facts. Which by the way you havnt. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
This film is awesome, I need to go see it a third time. Wonder if will surpass TDK this week? | ||
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TealLurker
United States791 Posts
I can't speak for him, but it's just the course that these arguments are going. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 11 2010 14:35 StorkHwaiting wrote: lol Carnivorous why are you jumping in now? Look at the last 8 pages where archerofaiur has tried to do exactly that. The guy's been on a crusade to prove Avatar is 100% solid science AND that James Cameron tells NASA what to do. Avatar isin't 100% solid science, but has much more science-fact or scientifically-based than any other science-fiction. To be honest, its pretty hard to refute that. But eitherway, I think its human-nature to just "argue for the sake of arguing". | ||
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