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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 11 2011 08:34 GMT
#16921
I feel terrible for thinking this but
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
The scenery after Madoka becomes a witch looks exactly like some parts of Japan right now. I think we know the real cause of this earthquake...
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 11 2011 08:34 GMT
#16922
On March 11 2011 17:30 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 17:18 TimeOut wrote:
On March 11 2011 17:14 Spazer wrote:
Nice revelation about the OP. But man...

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Regarding Homura's time travel: why does it only activate after Walpurgis? Does she not have full control over it, or does she only activate the time travel part after Madoka dies? Or is fine control past time stoppage difficult? Theoretically, if her control is absolute, she could replay a section of the past any number of times until the criteria required to activate an event are met.

The way her time travel works is interesting. In Haruhi, the SOS brigade is caught in a time loop in which their bodies and minds revert to a predetermined state when the end of the cycle is reached. Nagato is the sole exception since the data integration thought entity is a concept that doesn't exist (presumably) in normal space-time.

In Homura's case, every time she goes back, she seems to travel through both time AND space, as she always ends up in the hospital bed. This is kinda odd, since time machines usually act only on either one or the other, but whatever, it's fictional/magical technology. Obviously her physical state does not revert, as she's incredibly athletic as proved by episode 1. She doesn't seem to have aged though, suggesting that either there haven't been that many loops, the time loop itself spans a short amount of time, or her body doesn't age (though that seems unlikely).

tl;dr - Worst end: Homura dies of old age and Madoka becomes a witch because nobody stopped her lol


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
She is athletic and everything because her body is no longer her body. She is a magical girl, that means that her body is what she wants it to be. As is highlighted with her fixing her eyes later in the episode.

I think that her time travel wish is automated. She wished for her to protect and save Madoka. That wish is still trying to be fulfilled for her, so every time she fails, she will revert to a "world state" where it is still possible to fulfill that wish.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh yeah, that's true. I was mistakenly thinking of her as a normal person. =/

One more thing: in the initial loops, Homura entered a timeframe where Madoka was already a magical girl before she first shows up at the school. However, on subsequent visits, she somehow prevents Madoka from making that crucial first contact with Kyubey. So either she's capable of controlling her "landing point", or there are a few days between her arrival time and when Madoka first contracts, giving her the time she needs to hunt down Kyubey and warn Madoka. I'm leaning towards the latter. However, if this is the case, what on earth was she doing in that time period in the first few time loops?


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Well, she didn't know everything about her body and how magical girls work in the first iterations. So I guess she spent her days in the hospital, like in the first / real iteration where she arrived far too late.

After that failed and after she learned more about her magical girl condition, she basically jumped out of her hospital bed immediately and managed to prevent at least some Kyuubey contact points.
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
March 11 2011 08:43 GMT
#16923
On March 11 2011 17:34 TimeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 17:30 Spazer wrote:
On March 11 2011 17:18 TimeOut wrote:
On March 11 2011 17:14 Spazer wrote:
Nice revelation about the OP. But man...

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Regarding Homura's time travel: why does it only activate after Walpurgis? Does she not have full control over it, or does she only activate the time travel part after Madoka dies? Or is fine control past time stoppage difficult? Theoretically, if her control is absolute, she could replay a section of the past any number of times until the criteria required to activate an event are met.

The way her time travel works is interesting. In Haruhi, the SOS brigade is caught in a time loop in which their bodies and minds revert to a predetermined state when the end of the cycle is reached. Nagato is the sole exception since the data integration thought entity is a concept that doesn't exist (presumably) in normal space-time.

In Homura's case, every time she goes back, she seems to travel through both time AND space, as she always ends up in the hospital bed. This is kinda odd, since time machines usually act only on either one or the other, but whatever, it's fictional/magical technology. Obviously her physical state does not revert, as she's incredibly athletic as proved by episode 1. She doesn't seem to have aged though, suggesting that either there haven't been that many loops, the time loop itself spans a short amount of time, or her body doesn't age (though that seems unlikely).

tl;dr - Worst end: Homura dies of old age and Madoka becomes a witch because nobody stopped her lol


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
She is athletic and everything because her body is no longer her body. She is a magical girl, that means that her body is what she wants it to be. As is highlighted with her fixing her eyes later in the episode.

I think that her time travel wish is automated. She wished for her to protect and save Madoka. That wish is still trying to be fulfilled for her, so every time she fails, she will revert to a "world state" where it is still possible to fulfill that wish.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh yeah, that's true. I was mistakenly thinking of her as a normal person. =/

One more thing: in the initial loops, Homura entered a timeframe where Madoka was already a magical girl before she first shows up at the school. However, on subsequent visits, she somehow prevents Madoka from making that crucial first contact with Kyubey. So either she's capable of controlling her "landing point", or there are a few days between her arrival time and when Madoka first contracts, giving her the time she needs to hunt down Kyubey and warn Madoka. I'm leaning towards the latter. However, if this is the case, what on earth was she doing in that time period in the first few time loops?


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Well, she didn't know everything about her body and how magical girls work in the first iterations. So I guess she spent her days in the hospital, like in the first / real iteration where she arrived far too late.

After that failed and after she learned more about her magical girl condition, she basically jumped out of her hospital bed immediately and managed to prevent at least some Kyuubey contact points.

+ Show Spoiler +
That makes sense, I remember in the scene where everyone was killing each other, someone said that kyubey tricked them, so i think thats where she realized the truth, then it was followed by Madoka dying and said that she didn't want to become a witch and didn't want to be a mahou shoujo, then Homura kills her.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
March 11 2011 09:10 GMT
#16924
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
I just realized that despite all the different loops we were shown, we were never told what Madoka's wish was. I imagine it was something trivial when she contracted before Homura arrived, but what about that time at Walpurgis? I guess this is going to be a major plot point in the last two episodes. Perhaps this is the way out?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 11 2011 09:15 GMT
#16925
[image loading]

The main character that really, really should have been the main character.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
March 11 2011 09:16 GMT
#16926
Where's that from?
Stuck.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 11 2011 09:19 GMT
#16927
Dies Irae -acta est fabula-
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#16928
Southlight, are you going to stream something tonight again?
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
March 11 2011 09:24 GMT
#16929
I want to hear you scream live.
Stuck.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
March 11 2011 09:28 GMT
#16930
On March 11 2011 18:24 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I want to hear you scream live.

New fetish? :3
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 11 2011 09:28 GMT
#16931
lol, doubt I'd be screaming. I can stream a playthrough of Ayakashibito, as I'd been planning on reading that, but it'd be for the long-haul as it's a full-fledge VN... I guess?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 09:31:41
March 11 2011 09:29 GMT
#16932
I'm just going to drop in again, finally found a[nother] great anime. It's called Fractale. It might not seem your cup of tea at the beginning, but I don't want to say anything else so you can experience and enjoy it to the fullest. Sci-Fi/Fantasy, explores the future and questions what is a "free" life, etc. that kind of deeper meaningful stuff.

Only 8 episodes out of 11 so far, you can find legally uploaded subs by Funimation on youtube under "Season 1" (omg more than 11 episodes then?)

Closest anime I can compare it with (all aspects considered) is Denno Coil, but this is even better. This is not your Code Geass but is still a beautiful anime and has its own share of action/thriller with good pacing and well implemented humor/romance/drama etc. and all. Great animation too. Music is nothing notable so far, I can't really remember any BGM, but it doesn't detract from the show or make the anime seem too "quiet" or silent.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 09:31:15
March 11 2011 09:30 GMT
#16933
I laughed too much when I was watching the video. I reckon it must have been unimaginably funny when it was live.

Meh, I'm sorry(?) but I'll be going to sleep... too late.

+ Show Spoiler +
UWAAAAAAAAAAAAA





pant pant pant
Stuck.
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 11 2011 09:32 GMT
#16934
On March 11 2011 18:28 Southlight wrote:
lol, doubt I'd be screaming. I can stream a playthrough of Ayakashibito, as I'd been planning on reading that, but it'd be for the long-haul as it's a full-fledge VN... I guess?


As long as it is not too much for you to translate on the fly? I don't want to force you to stream for us, if you want to do something on your own.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 09:34:13
March 11 2011 09:32 GMT
#16935
Not now, I meant tonight.

[image loading]

You might recognize him. Or you probably won't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

Edit:

On March 11 2011 18:32 TimeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 18:28 Southlight wrote:
lol, doubt I'd be screaming. I can stream a playthrough of Ayakashibito, as I'd been planning on reading that, but it'd be for the long-haul as it's a full-fledge VN... I guess?


As long as it is not too much for you to translate on the fly? I don't want to force you to stream for us, if you want to do something on your own.


I'll give it a go, ~00:00 GMT (+00:00) again. We'll see how it goes, if it doesn't work out I can always think of something else for next week.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 11 2011 09:35 GMT
#16936
On March 11 2011 18:32 Southlight wrote:
I'll give it a go, ~00:00 GMT (+00:00) again. We'll see how it goes, if it doesn't work out I can always think of something else for next week.


Yay, awesome. :D
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
March 11 2011 09:47 GMT
#16937
On March 11 2011 18:29 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I'm just going to drop in again, finally found a[nother] great anime. It's called Fractale. It might not seem your cup of tea at the beginning, but I don't want to say anything else so you can experience and enjoy it to the fullest.

Only 8 episodes out of 11 so far, you can find legally uploaded subs by Funimation on youtube under "Season 1" (omg more than 11 episodes then?)

Closest anime I can compare it with (all aspects considered) is Denno Coil, but this is even better. This is not your Code Geass but is still a beautiful anime and has its own share of action/thriller with good pacing and well implemented humor/romance etc. and all. Great animation too.

I didn't particularly like what they were doing with the story, and dropped the show after episode 3. The idea is interesting and has some merit, but the execution I felt was really lacking.
+ Show Spoiler [For instance, episode 3] +
The gunfight thing came out of nowhere, and although I understand it was supposed to be a dramatic way of stating that things aren't as nice as they seem, it was done in such a way that it was almost unintentionally hilarious. Random mook A dies and characters get all emotional because of that, but he had hardly any characterization, so why should I care?


I have been keeping up with the episode summaries though, but overall, I'm still not impressed.
+ Show Spoiler [Fractale] +
In episode 6, we meet Clain's father. What for? Meeting him did not advance the plot - it was basically just a side note. In episode 5, nothing happens. Instead of getting more discussion about the Fractale system, the ethics of using it, the changes to society, etc., we get laundry day.

I mean, what the hell. If you're going to make an anime about technology and how it's helping/destroying society, maybe you should focus on that instead of giving us tons of slice of life and some random subplots?

I dunno. I feel like this show is Angel Beats all over again. All this potential and they just blew it.
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
March 11 2011 10:40 GMT
#16938
On March 11 2011 18:47 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 18:29 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I'm just going to drop in again, finally found a[nother] great anime. It's called Fractale. It might not seem your cup of tea at the beginning, but I don't want to say anything else so you can experience and enjoy it to the fullest.

Only 8 episodes out of 11 so far, you can find legally uploaded subs by Funimation on youtube under "Season 1" (omg more than 11 episodes then?)

Closest anime I can compare it with (all aspects considered) is Denno Coil, but this is even better. This is not your Code Geass but is still a beautiful anime and has its own share of action/thriller with good pacing and well implemented humor/romance etc. and all. Great animation too.

I didn't particularly like what they were doing with the story, and dropped the show after episode 3. The idea is interesting and has some merit, but the execution I felt was really lacking.
+ Show Spoiler [For instance, episode 3] +
The gunfight thing came out of nowhere, and although I understand it was supposed to be a dramatic way of stating that things aren't as nice as they seem, it was done in such a way that it was almost unintentionally hilarious. Random mook A dies and characters get all emotional because of that, but he had hardly any characterization, so why should I care?


I have been keeping up with the episode summaries though, but overall, I'm still not impressed.
+ Show Spoiler [Fractale] +
In episode 6, we meet Clain's father. What for? Meeting him did not advance the plot - it was basically just a side note. In episode 5, nothing happens. Instead of getting more discussion about the Fractale system, the ethics of using it, the changes to society, etc., we get laundry day.

I mean, what the hell. If you're going to make an anime about technology and how it's helping/destroying society, maybe you should focus on that instead of giving us tons of slice of life and some random subplots?

I dunno. I feel like this show is Angel Beats all over again. All this potential and they just blew it.


Actually thats a good comparison. Fractale is weird. The MC is well fleshed out and unique, the setting wasn't bad but the plot leaves a lot to be desired. Feels like they're beating around the bush too much. The previews suggested it would be a chase after Phryne all show long, but as it is now, she's been with them for the majority of the episodes. Also you don't feel the drama and the epicness of fighting the fractale system.

What is the point of this show? What is the plot? Is it Phryne or the fractale system? Is it a chase or is it a struggle? You can't possibly fit all of it into 11 measly episodes.

While they travel around the world, they learn the truth about the fractale system. But it's all they do. It's boring. They mope around and explain the setting. No action, no drama, no significant moments. The art is eye-candy, but that's all there is to this show.

+ Show Spoiler [IS#10] +
Tanabe is like a hamster or coffee (or crack). I still don't see why the Houki hate is so strong. She's got a nice personality. She doesn't gloat about having a superior IS, or anything. She's mostly silent and it's just now her time to shine. Sure Tanabe is hax, but it's not really Houki's fault.
I still don't see how she's the only love interest now. She's got an IS now and is given the chance to use it and make an impression. Compared to the Ichika hogging the other heroines did, I consider it justice.
Don't blame Houki for crap writing in the future episodes/LNs, blame the author for killing off the chances of the other heroines. It's not like it was impossible for him to limit Tanabe just to delivering the IS and explaining it. If what I read was true, blame him for making Tanabe plot hax instead of just a 1-time boost for Houki.


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
LOL, Tanami going berserk and Homura's story. A nice episode overall. Wonder what Madoka's wish was, though.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 14:14:08
March 11 2011 12:42 GMT
#16939
On March 11 2011 17:14 Spazer wrote:
Nice revelation about the OP. But man...

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
Regarding Homura's time travel: why does it only activate after Walpurgis? Does she not have full control over it, or does she only activate the time travel part after Madoka dies? Or is fine control past time stoppage difficult? Theoretically, if her control is absolute, she could replay a section of the past any number of times until the criteria required to activate an event are met.

The way her time travel works is interesting. In Haruhi, the SOS brigade is caught in a time loop in which their bodies and minds revert to a predetermined state when the end of the cycle is reached. Nagato is the sole exception since the data integration thought entity is a concept that doesn't exist (presumably) in normal space-time.

In Homura's case, every time she goes back, she seems to travel through both time AND space, as she always ends up in the hospital bed. This is kinda odd, since time machines usually act only on either one or the other, but whatever, it's fictional/magical technology. Obviously her physical state does not revert, as she's incredibly athletic as proved by episode 1. She doesn't seem to have aged though, suggesting that either there haven't been that many loops, the time loop itself spans a short amount of time, or her body doesn't age (though that seems unlikely).

tl;dr - Worst end: Homura dies of old age and Madoka becomes a witch because nobody stopped her lol


+ Show Spoiler +
The only way for the cycle to stop is for Homura to die, right? So they should just kill Walpurgisnacht, then Homura can go Mami on Madoka and herself.

That's the good end.

Edit: I also don't get why Homura doesn't go back in time sooner. You'd think that she'd realize that she already planted the flag for the bad end


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka gifs] +
DOCTOR WHO HOMURA

[image loading]

[image loading]

I could watch this all day:

[image loading]
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 14:19:21
March 11 2011 14:18 GMT
#16940
The picture of Homura is badass.

+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +
And TimeOut, you blew my mind with the way that Homura wish works. Because since Homura's wish hasn't been granted, she can go back in time as many times as possible to fulfill that wish at the time of the Walpurgis Night.

I think that also means that she can "violate" the contract by not fighting Witches. Since her wish hasn't been granted, she isn't bound to fighting them, which explains why she didn't fight Madoka in the.....4th loop that we saw.
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