EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 5869
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sharkie
Austria18726 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
But oh well, like I said since I already have #1 and #2 myself getting it as manga instead of LN was nice because that way I'll actually use all three: #1: to check out manga #2: to check professional translation vs my own #3: to just read and get #4 next christmas so all fine~ | ||
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Case123
89 Posts
On January 03 2017 16:59 Slaughter wrote: Caught up on the Gintama manga. Great stuff, going to be sad that its going to end soon  The author pretty much fucked it up when he made Gintoki's former teacher the bad guy. Then it got into fucked up resurrection territory and then hey let's blow up the whole earth and started going downhill. My favorite time in Gintama was when they actually killed a character - that Shinsugume uprising arc where the guy with the glasses started murdering his colleagues and in the end was brutally machine gunned and then chopped down via Hijikata. That was when Gintama was deep. Now it's just hey let's defend the earth over and over. Once you go large scale shit (as do all Japanese manga)ｉｔ ｊｕｓｔ ｓｔａｒｔｓ ｂｅｃｏｍｉｎｇ ｄｕｍｂ． | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2570 Posts
Anime budget is obviously like 1000 yen or something, sound effects are off, characters keep talking while lips arent moving. General animation quality is extremely poor as well, like holy shit this is the worst train wreck I've seen in a while. | ||
Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Got me to keep watching thinking they'd explain how he can redo everything after dying, I'm a sucker for time travel and mystery, and conveniently after certain checkpoints. Which ofc, they just brush it off and ignore it, on top of turning it into a convenient bait plot device by giving MC terrible BO. For how bleh the show is though, I thought Kobayashi Yuusuke (MC's voice) and Minase Inori (Rem's voice) did an amazing job both in the cringeworthy crying in despair, anger, and Rem's confession. I do remember reading somewhere how people were saying Rem got more development than Emilia, and definitely that was right. Hell, that master swordsman's wife got more development than her. Emilia was literally just a piece of trophy ass for the MC for no apparently reason. (granted she had a great character design, but goes with the wish fulfillment part). All in all, animation was good, voice acting was good, story was meh, MC was shit. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Well, according to some VN readers the story will be much more about Emilia later. The anime like for most animes doesn't cover much of the whole story, IIRC it's just 20% or not even that. The story is pretty large and still ongoing. MC wasn't enjoyable to watch and that's kind of the point, he was suffering almost all the time and that even more showed the bad parts of his character. Even though imo he was aleady kinda obnoxious in the first few episodes. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
The primary problem with wish-fulfillment stories is that they are often boring. The protag shows up, saves everyone, and looks awesome. Where's the conflict? Example: NGNL (which I think was very good but did not do well in creating actual challenges for the MCs. Re:zero avoids this problem by + Show Spoiler + (1) making life miserable for the MC on a daily basis—and not just "oh woe is me" miserable but "I am going to have lasting emotional scars" miserable and (2) creating even further tension by keeping the other characters from knowing just how much sacrifice he's gone through (which the MC actually gets frustrated at over the course of the series). Disclaimer: I have not finished the series (I am on episode 17). | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 05 2017 00:42 Nagisama wrote: Finally watched re:zero after noticing a lot of talk both here and from irl friends. And, basically, it was pretty much a mediocre self insertion/wish fulfillment anime... + Show Spoiler + Got me to keep watching thinking they'd explain how he can redo everything after dying, I'm a sucker for time travel and mystery, and conveniently after certain checkpoints. Which ofc, they just brush it off and ignore it, on top of turning it into a convenient bait plot device by giving MC terrible BO. For how bleh the show is though, I thought Kobayashi Yuusuke (MC's voice) and Minase Inori (Rem's voice) did an amazing job both in the cringeworthy crying in despair, anger, and Rem's confession. I do remember reading somewhere how people were saying Rem got more development than Emilia, and definitely that was right. Hell, that master swordsman's wife got more development than her. Emilia was literally just a piece of trophy ass for the MC for no apparently reason. (granted she had a great character design, but goes with the wish fulfillment part). All in all, animation was good, voice acting was good, story was meh, MC was shit. I think I've posted this before but this screenshot, translated interview with the author explaining how he got the idea to write ReZero, basicly tells more than 1000 words about that issue: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FGR7zLW.jpg) On January 05 2017 03:01 motbob wrote: Wish-fulfillment/self-insertion seems to be a perfectly fine genre if the writer is beating up on the protagonist as much as the one in Re:zero. The primary problem with wish-fulfillment stories is that they are often boring. The protag shows up, saves everyone, and looks awesome. Where's the conflict? Example: NGNL (which I think was very good but did not do well in creating actual challenges for the MCs. Re:zero avoids this problem by + Show Spoiler + (1) making life miserable for the MC on a daily basis—and not just "oh woe is me" miserable but "I am going to have lasting emotional scars" miserable and (2) creating even further tension by keeping the other characters from knowing just how much sacrifice he's gone through (which the MC actually gets frustrated at over the course of the series). Disclaimer: I have not finished the series (I am on episode 17). I think that really depends on the viewer. I'll agree with self-insertion and wish-fulfillment being boring by itself but I personally don't need "real" challenges in there since I'm more of a comedy/parody kind of guy. So like you just said, NGNL having the issue of never being in suspense about what's going to happen because we all already know from the start that Sora is just going to win in some ridiculous way. To me that's not really an issue at all since I'm getting my enjoyment out of the comedy of those series. NGNL, SaeKano, heck even OnePunchMan being an example of something that sounds like you're going to be bored because you already know Saitama's going to win anyways. And then you watch it and it's just really funny and you don't give a fuck. But comedy/parody is really subjective, probably more so than if you're going for a serious attempt of whatever kind of story you're trying to tell so it's really hard to argue about wether or not something works aside for you personally. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
From the lns I've read so far seems like they are keeping pretty heavily towards the source. Would have been nice if they had thrown in like an episode or 2 that clarifyshe things for anime only peoole because I doubt we will get anymore animated unless it sold yuuuge numbers. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On January 05 2017 09:12 Slaughter wrote: The problem with ReZero is that it, like many anime, failed to explain what the actual overarching plot is going to be and what the end goal so to speak. Just a looot of casual mentions of important things going on but never got into it. Just know something about a witch and some cult doing bad things and a kingdom in Flux looking for a new ruler. Didn't explain anything about the mc or why/how he is there. From the lns I've read so far seems like they are keeping pretty heavily towards the source. Would have been nice if they had thrown in like an episode or 2 that clarifyshe things for anime only peoole because I doubt we will get anymore animated unless it sold yuuuge numbers. It consistently nearly topped all japanese polls for best anime in 2016. It's actually quite a big thing now. It was mostly at the #2 spot while Jojo takes the #1 spot and Konosuba takes the #3 spot. I believe that the anime has basically caught up to where the LNs are right now so unless they start to adapt from the WN, which is so much bigger and farther than the LN, than it will take a while for season 2 to come. I don't doubt that when more LNs are released though, they will probably make a sequel. | ||
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
On January 05 2017 08:23 Toadesstern wrote: I think I've posted this before but this screenshot, translated interview with the author explaining how he got the idea to write ReZero, basicly tells more than 1000 words about that issue: + Show Spoiler [image] + As dumb as it sounds, not entirely wrong on how great ideas can be formed. Famous example being Pixar and it's 3.5 billion dollar lunch. It's how you deliver it, but from $ standpoint, might have been good, if it's so popular and sales are high orz.... | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On January 05 2017 09:12 Slaughter wrote: The problem with ReZero is that it, like many anime, failed to explain what the actual overarching plot is going to be and what the end goal so to speak. Just a looot of casual mentions of important things going on but never got into it. Just know something about a witch and some cult doing bad things and a kingdom in Flux looking for a new ruler. Didn't explain anything about the mc or why/how he is there. From the lns I've read so far seems like they are keeping pretty heavily towards the source. Would have been nice if they had thrown in like an episode or 2 that clarifyshe things for anime only peoole because I doubt we will get anymore animated unless it sold yuuuge numbers. That's not the point of the anime. The point of the anime is to say "Look at all this! You should go buy the source material because it'll answer all those questions you've got and give you a fuller story! GIVE ME YEN NOW!" or so it seems considering how frequently the anime tells a part of the story only to wind up being chopped off in a way that is less than satisfactory (Rokka of the Six Braves or whatever the hell it was, ReZero, and I'm staring at you DanMachi (not just because of boob ribbon).) Some concessions are made and most of the time at least a story is in there, and sometimes there might even be a full story. But I don't think that's most of the non-original anime made. The anime isn't there to sell itself, it's there to sell the VN, the LN, the manga, the drama CDs, tickets to events, goods, etc. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:43 felisconcolori wrote: That's not the point of the anime. The point of the anime is to say "Look at all this! You should go buy the source material because it'll answer all those questions you've got and give you a fuller story! GIVE ME YEN NOW!" or so it seems considering how frequently the anime tells a part of the story only to wind up being chopped off in a way that is less than satisfactory (Rokka of the Six Braves or whatever the hell it was, ReZero, and I'm staring at you DanMachi (not just because of boob ribbon).) Some concessions are made and most of the time at least a story is in there, and sometimes there might even be a full story. But I don't think that's most of the non-original anime made. The anime isn't there to sell itself, it's there to sell the VN, the LN, the manga, the drama CDs, tickets to events, goods, etc. With the popularity of streaming services, is it possible that might change? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Just thinking about what it costs to dish out a 12-13 episode anime and then considering the amount of anime you get each and every season... I don't think the money you can get out of streaming services will amount to more than mere pennies for something as niche as this | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:43 felisconcolori wrote: That's not the point of the anime. The point of the anime is to say "Look at all this! You should go buy the source material because it'll answer all those questions you've got and give you a fuller story! GIVE ME YEN NOW!" or so it seems considering how frequently the anime tells a part of the story only to wind up being chopped off in a way that is less than satisfactory (Rokka of the Six Braves or whatever the hell it was, ReZero, and I'm staring at you DanMachi (not just because of boob ribbon).) Some concessions are made and most of the time at least a story is in there, and sometimes there might even be a full story. But I don't think that's most of the non-original anime made. The anime isn't there to sell itself, it's there to sell the VN, the LN, the manga, the drama CDs, tickets to events, goods, etc. I agree with all that but usually they give more elements. The MC has at least some reason to be there and why he has his power or w/e but we know nothing about Subaru besides that he is annoying. They didn't hint at his relationship with the witch and why he might have been chosen etc etc. There was just too much left out in this. Doesn't mean it wasn't an effective teaser as I started buying the LNs but most of the information I have about the series is from the discussion pages surrounding the WN. I wonder if the WN is even translated. At least Yen Press jumped on this series pretty early so the waiting suffering won't be as bad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On January 05 2017 14:54 Slaughter wrote: Of course I liked it, it was one of my top 3 anime of the year. That doesn't mean I can't criticize it. Same for me, it was even the #1 anime for me last year but I still don't like everything they did. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 05 2017 15:36 HolydaKing wrote: Same for me, it was even the #1 anime for me last year but I still don't like everything they did. I know you liked it  Just thought it was way more down the list for Slaughter, but if it's in his top3 there's no issue to be had. | ||
TheEmulator
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