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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 04:49:40
November 23 2015 04:43 GMT
#107761
Team loli in Asterisk is pretty cute. The ED is indeed amazing as was mentioned before.

Hard to say what show I like better Asterisk or 35th platoon. But both are def better than Calvary.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 23 2015 05:00 GMT
#107762
On November 23 2015 13:11 Imperfect1987 wrote:
I love it when they have a character that is supposed to be amazing at English and then when they end up using English it sounds completely awful.

went on youtube to get another video of some famous VA trying to talk english, end up watching Ayaneru playing Left4Dead...

+ Show Spoiler +
she's really awful with computergames I guess
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 23 2015 05:26 GMT
#107763
People are talking about Engrish? Obligatory
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 23 2015 05:37 GMT
#107764
Do Japanese learn English as a second language in highschool or primary?
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 06:11:11
November 23 2015 06:10 GMT
#107765
On November 23 2015 14:37 XenOmega wrote:
Do Japanese learn English as a second language in highschool or primary?

its more like you have to take some english classes in high school and that really just means you mostly learn to read and write it. You don't use it to talk outside of class so japanese people still suck at that.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 06:21:42
November 23 2015 06:21 GMT
#107766
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i made the order on sunday morning when they are closed and sent a message to cancel it an hour later. they opened monday morning and sent me that message

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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
November 23 2015 06:25 GMT
#107767
they "learn" English in junior high and high school. But they don't actually speak at all until halfway through high school, and even then it's like, a few minutes a week at the most? They suck at speaking the most because for some reason it's just barely a part of the English curriculum. Even including class time, you'd probably spend around 1-2 hours total practicing speaking over 5 years of "studying" lol. At least according to my Japanese friends. Then consider they never use it again, voice actor or not. Also, if they went to a special school for voice acting instead of regular high school, then they'd have even worse English than the already pathetic average (example: Nana Mizuki).

The vast majority can't differentiate between levels of bad English because they have almost nothing to compare it to, except all the bad English they're surrounded by. So most of them don't even what the correct way to speak is anyway, at least until they come across someone fluent. But I guarantee you there are a lot of Japanese people who think they know what's correct pronunciation but don't really. I also noticed that they pronounce English significantly worse when reading off a script compared to speaking casually, which would further exacerbate the issue for voice acting.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 23 2015 06:38 GMT
#107768
On November 23 2015 14:26 Sentenal wrote:
People are talking about Engrish? Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbdVfJGRbfw


that was terrifying
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:00:52
November 23 2015 06:57 GMT
#107769
On November 23 2015 15:25 KazeHydra wrote:
they "learn" English in junior high and high school. But they don't actually speak at all until halfway through high school, and even then it's like, a few minutes a week at the most? They suck at speaking the most because for some reason it's just barely a part of the English curriculum. Even including class time, you'd probably spend around 1-2 hours total practicing speaking over 5 years of "studying" lol. At least according to my Japanese friends. Then consider they never use it again, voice actor or not. Also, if they went to a special school for voice acting instead of regular high school, then they'd have even worse English than the already pathetic average (example: Nana Mizuki).

The vast majority can't differentiate between levels of bad English because they have almost nothing to compare it to, except all the bad English they're surrounded by. So most of them don't even what the correct way to speak is anyway, at least until they come across someone fluent. But I guarantee you there are a lot of Japanese people who think they know what's correct pronunciation but don't really. I also noticed that they pronounce English significantly worse when reading off a script compared to speaking casually, which would further exacerbate the issue for voice acting.

a bit beside the point since it's not about japanese doing english lines but instead about english people doing english lines:

there was a nice "article" on that on ANN somewhat lately iirc. Was a question about how they cast the native english speaking people that do single lines if they happen to hire one. Long story short:
There's apparently some kind of agency where you as foreigner can sign up to do work like that, foreigner-based shows on TV etc or whatever depending on your japanese skills and what they want.
When doing lines for anime they apprently get in there, say the line a couple times, whoever's recording looks around, none of them has a clue about what sounded good, they shrug shoulders and just take one of the recordings.
Which is why english speaking people doing english lines in anime doesn't sound all that much better either in most cases. Although for different reasons.

English in K-ON movie was good iirc
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 23 2015 07:01 GMT
#107770
On November 23 2015 13:11 Imperfect1987 wrote:
I love it when they have a character that is supposed to be amazing at English and then when they end up using English it sounds completely awful.

Itazura na Kiss had that from what I recall lol.

On November 23 2015 13:43 Slaughter wrote:
Team loli in Asterisk is pretty cute. The ED is indeed amazing as was mentioned before.

Hard to say what show I like better Asterisk or 35th platoon. But both are def better than Calvary.

I think the OP is amazing for Asterisk while the ED isn't too bad. Though I like Asterisk more, I think Calvary has points in its favour including some more interesting fights at times.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:21:58
November 23 2015 07:21 GMT
#107771
On November 23 2015 16:01 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2015 13:11 Imperfect1987 wrote:
I love it when they have a character that is supposed to be amazing at English and then when they end up using English it sounds completely awful.

Itazura na Kiss had that from what I recall lol.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2015 13:43 Slaughter wrote:
Team loli in Asterisk is pretty cute. The ED is indeed amazing as was mentioned before.

Hard to say what show I like better Asterisk or 35th platoon. But both are def better than Calvary.

I think the OP is amazing for Asterisk while the ED isn't too bad. Though I like Asterisk more, I think Calvary has points in its favour including some more interesting fights at times.


35th prolly has the best fights and maybe the best girls. Asterisk has not as good fights (but imo a somewhat better *fight/magic system*) but better girls than Calvary. Calvary pretty much just has Stella and some better done fights (The Asterisks mc's weapon looks silly) though Asterisk hasn't had as much fighting yet.


The full version of Asterisk's ED is really good too.

https://vimeo.com/143539372
Never Knows Best.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
November 23 2015 07:21 GMT
#107772
Quick question: How do you guys actually discuss anime in here? It's an Anime General Discussion thread which means all/any anime is welcome for discussion. But it seems to me like the only way to follow any kind of conversation is to actually watch all the animes that are being discussed. Otherwise, how the heck do you know what people are talking about? What do you do if you just want to discuss one or a couple specific animes?
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:23:50
November 23 2015 07:23 GMT
#107773
On November 23 2015 16:21 Seeker wrote:
Quick question: How do you guys actually discuss anime in here? It's an Anime General Discussion thread which means all/any anime is welcome for discussion. But it seems to me like the only way to follow any kind of conversation is to actually watch all the animes that are being discussed. Otherwise, how the heck do you know what people are talking about? What do you do if you just want to discuss one or a couple specific animes?


You pretty much just start talking about whatever anime you want to talk about then respond to whoever chimes in. Just post a question/statement about a show and go from there. People mostly talk about the current anime season but people will still talk about shows in the past as well.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 23 2015 07:25 GMT
#107774
On November 23 2015 16:21 Seeker wrote:
Quick question: How do you guys actually discuss anime in here? It's an Anime General Discussion thread which means all/any anime is welcome for discussion. But it seems to me like the only way to follow any kind of conversation is to actually watch all the animes that are being discussed. Otherwise, how the heck do you know what people are talking about? What do you do if you just want to discuss one or a couple specific animes?

example:

man that <insert anime that aired yesterday> episode was amazing

+ Show Spoiler +
here be stuff about the episode so you don't spoiler for people you havn't watched yet


Same goes for older anime really. And people reply
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:27:20
November 23 2015 07:25 GMT
#107775
I've heard from family and coworkers that have lived and worked in Japan that on average, a lot of people in Japan know some English. But even the ones that speak it well are hesitant to use it, because they do not want to give offense with poor spoken English. Alternately, they don't want to risk speaking it and doing so poorly as it would show their poor skill.

Something like that anyway. Then too, that also could describe a number of Japanese citizens that I've interacted with at work when talking to people working for the local branches of Japanese HQ-ed multinational corporations; as well as those with Chinese or Korean roots.

---

I think Asterisk is going to start getting into more fighting soon now that the Festa is coming up.
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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
November 23 2015 07:29 GMT
#107776
On November 23 2015 15:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2015 15:25 KazeHydra wrote:
they "learn" English in junior high and high school. But they don't actually speak at all until halfway through high school, and even then it's like, a few minutes a week at the most? They suck at speaking the most because for some reason it's just barely a part of the English curriculum. Even including class time, you'd probably spend around 1-2 hours total practicing speaking over 5 years of "studying" lol. At least according to my Japanese friends. Then consider they never use it again, voice actor or not. Also, if they went to a special school for voice acting instead of regular high school, then they'd have even worse English than the already pathetic average (example: Nana Mizuki).

The vast majority can't differentiate between levels of bad English because they have almost nothing to compare it to, except all the bad English they're surrounded by. So most of them don't even what the correct way to speak is anyway, at least until they come across someone fluent. But I guarantee you there are a lot of Japanese people who think they know what's correct pronunciation but don't really. I also noticed that they pronounce English significantly worse when reading off a script compared to speaking casually, which would further exacerbate the issue for voice acting.

a bit beside the point since it's not about japanese doing english lines but instead about english people doing english lines:

there was a nice "article" on that on ANN somewhat lately iirc. Was a question about how they cast the native english speaking people that do single lines if they happen to hire one. Long story short:
There's apparently some kind of agency where you as foreigner can sign up to do work like that, foreigner-based shows on TV etc or whatever depending on your japanese skills and what they want.
When doing lines for anime they apprently get in there, say the line a couple times, whoever's recording looks around, none of them has a clue about what sounded good, they shrug shoulders and just take one of the recordings.
Which is why english speaking people doing english lines in anime doesn't sound all that much better either in most cases. Although for different reasons.

English in K-ON movie was good iirc

except I was answering the guy who specifically asked about Japanese people studying English.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:44:23
November 23 2015 07:39 GMT
#107777
On November 23 2015 16:21 Seeker wrote:
Quick question: How do you guys actually discuss anime in here? It's an Anime General Discussion thread which means all/any anime is welcome for discussion. But it seems to me like the only way to follow any kind of conversation is to actually watch all the animes that are being discussed. Otherwise, how the heck do you know what people are talking about? What do you do if you just want to discuss one or a couple specific animes?

You tend to remember all the character(or at least the description of the character) and title of the show as well as almost all episodes you have seen.

So what happens is that if somebody talks about certain character or anime , you just bump the discussion if you have seen it before and just use spoiler tags.

All good. If you don't recognize who the hell they are talking about or what anime is that you ignore it and dodge opening the spoilers. Even if you do you usually don't understand or will know the context of it anyways.
this is a quote
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 23 2015 07:40 GMT
#107778
On November 23 2015 16:21 Seeker wrote:
how the heck do you know what people are talking about?

you watch every anime!!!!
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:48:32
November 23 2015 07:48 GMT
#107779
Yea don't forget to spoiler important details/plot points (even in older series). If you don't the spoiler police will come for you and give you a stern talking to.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 07:51:43
November 23 2015 07:48 GMT
#107780
On November 23 2015 16:29 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2015 15:57 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 23 2015 15:25 KazeHydra wrote:
they "learn" English in junior high and high school. But they don't actually speak at all until halfway through high school, and even then it's like, a few minutes a week at the most? They suck at speaking the most because for some reason it's just barely a part of the English curriculum. Even including class time, you'd probably spend around 1-2 hours total practicing speaking over 5 years of "studying" lol. At least according to my Japanese friends. Then consider they never use it again, voice actor or not. Also, if they went to a special school for voice acting instead of regular high school, then they'd have even worse English than the already pathetic average (example: Nana Mizuki).

The vast majority can't differentiate between levels of bad English because they have almost nothing to compare it to, except all the bad English they're surrounded by. So most of them don't even what the correct way to speak is anyway, at least until they come across someone fluent. But I guarantee you there are a lot of Japanese people who think they know what's correct pronunciation but don't really. I also noticed that they pronounce English significantly worse when reading off a script compared to speaking casually, which would further exacerbate the issue for voice acting.

a bit beside the point since it's not about japanese doing english lines but instead about english people doing english lines:

there was a nice "article" on that on ANN somewhat lately iirc. Was a question about how they cast the native english speaking people that do single lines if they happen to hire one. Long story short:
There's apparently some kind of agency where you as foreigner can sign up to do work like that, foreigner-based shows on TV etc or whatever depending on your japanese skills and what they want.
When doing lines for anime they apprently get in there, say the line a couple times, whoever's recording looks around, none of them has a clue about what sounded good, they shrug shoulders and just take one of the recordings.
Which is why english speaking people doing english lines in anime doesn't sound all that much better either in most cases. Although for different reasons.

English in K-ON movie was good iirc

except I was answering the guy who specifically asked about Japanese people studying English.


I was aware? the "a bit beside the point" was about what I followed you up on, as a tidbit. Since not related to the actual question at hand but to the topic of "awful english in anime"
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