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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
January 25 2015 18:44 GMT
#91281
No, it's not about not recognizing faults because nothing is rarely without faults. It's the importance of those faults and how much people play those up and over state them. Sao mostly gets hate for the 2nd arc for his harem building and calling him a gary stu, etc. The 2nd arc isn't as good as the first, but season 2 is really good. I don't mind the opness of the main character if done right.

I loved mahouka cause of how op tatsuya was and wanted to see what new op powers he would pull out next ep. To contrast, I dislike Inaho because of how emotionless he is and how absurd his opness is and he's not a likeable character like Tatsuya. However, I'll still take inaho over slaine cause fook slaine!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 25 2015 18:45 GMT
#91282
You dislike inaho because he's emotionless but like tatsuya when tatsuya's character is literally to not have any emotions outside of "Muh imouto"? Lol
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 18:51:40
January 25 2015 18:48 GMT
#91283
On January 26 2015 03:45 Unleashing wrote:
You dislike inaho because he's emotionless but like tatsuya when tatsuya's character is literally to not have any emotions outside of "Muh imouto"? Lol


Cause tatsuya does it in a more funny way. Maybe not intentionally funny, but just his delivery of lines and stuff. Inaho is just an emotionless blank slate. The one fault of mahouka is the brother/sis stuff cause I dislike incest stuff! Oh yeah the cousin love stuff in sao is a fault too that makes me uncomfortable! Them japanese and their cousin love!

Always have to watch out for the cousin love flags when watching anime! I'm currently halfway through watching Kanon after watching clannad and air and was leery about the cousins to start out, but so far totally platonic!!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 18:51:10
January 25 2015 18:49 GMT
#91284
On January 26 2015 03:42 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 03:37 Slaughter wrote:
A lot of anime/manga start off with good a good premise, its just that sadly most creators can't competently see that premise realized through an entire series. It is also perfectly acceptable to like something that is considered bad. Its why the whole concept of "guilty pleasure" exists and everyone has their pleasures.

I like SAO, it entertained me a fair amount. Doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot of horribly done plot arcs or poorly written character developments that cause you to roll your eyes.

a lot of that stuff is because of either the writer needs a paycheck so it drags on forever like bleach or the animators have a tight budget to work with and can't pace the show correctly



Well take take the SAO source material. It seems like a mess of a LN series lol. I am almost done with the 1st one and if I didn't actually know everything already from the anime it would feel so rushed and confusing. Apparently he later retconned shit with SAO: Progressive as how he wanted it to turn out but that is years and many novels later so he had many years to sit and try to put his jumbled mass into something.

Time, money, competition are huge factors though. The creative process seems so stifled under these conditions. Hell even in the SAO afterword the author basically makes it seem like it was just a mad scramble.
Never Knows Best.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 25 2015 18:50 GMT
#91285
On January 26 2015 03:49 Slaughter wrote:
Well take take the SAO source material. It seems like a mess of a LN series lol. I am almost done with the 1st one and if I didn't actually know everything already from the anime it would feel so rushed and confusing. Apparently he later retconned shit with SAO: Progressive as how he wanted it to turn out but that is years and many novels later so he had many years to sit and try to put his jumbled mass into something.

Time, money, competition are huge factors though. The creative process seems so stifled under these conditions. Hell even in the SAO afterword the author basically makes it seem like it was just a mad scramble.

wasn't he like 15 when he wrote SAO initially?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2015 18:51 GMT
#91286
He was born in 1974 so I highly doubt that unless he didn't rewrite anything in the last 20 years
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 18:56:16
January 25 2015 18:53 GMT
#91287
Also i'd like to add that a character being OP has little to do with said character being a mary sue. Kirito being a level above everyone else isn't what makes him a (imho) boring character, it's the way it was executed.

If being OP was what it took to be a mary sue, pic related would be one of the biggest offender:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 25 2015 18:55 GMT
#91288
Dont insult Lord Jesus Oni-sama like that.
WriterXiao8~~
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2015 18:55 GMT
#91289
Insulting Oni-sama is fine as long as you leave glorious Miyuki out of it otherwise Neo will come and smite you
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 25 2015 19:01 GMT
#91290
On January 26 2015 03:53 Unleashing wrote:
Also i'd like to add that a character being OP has little to do with said character being a mary sue. Kirito being a level above everyone else isn't what makes him a (imho) boring character, it's the way it was executed.

If being OP was what it took to be a mary sue, pic related would be one of the biggest offender:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I agree with you. Kirito's character and inner logic were written like shit.

Though sometimes I feel that when I disagree with a characters logic/actions/feelings I wonder how much of that is due to cultural differences and how much of it is poor writing lol.
Never Knows Best.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 25 2015 19:29 GMT
#91291
I didn't peg Neo for a sis-con

btw Mayumi is best.
WriterXiao8~~
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2015 19:34 GMT
#91292
On January 26 2015 04:29 Kipsate wrote:
I didn't peg Neo for a sis-con

btw Mayumi is best.


I for some reason like Mari a lot but both Miyuki and Mayumi are good. Mayumi's sisters were pretty cool before he made her Miyuki obsessed. Maya is the best though.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
January 25 2015 19:34 GMT
#91293
On January 26 2015 04:01 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 03:53 Unleashing wrote:
Also i'd like to add that a character being OP has little to do with said character being a mary sue. Kirito being a level above everyone else isn't what makes him a (imho) boring character, it's the way it was executed.

If being OP was what it took to be a mary sue, pic related would be one of the biggest offender:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I agree with you. Kirito's character and inner logic were written like shit.

Though sometimes I feel that when I disagree with a characters logic/actions/feelings I wonder how much of that is due to cultural differences and how much of it is poor writing lol.

It's poor writing. This is a very bold statement for the anime community, but at least for most people here I can say that we're intelligent enough to disagree with a decision while respecting the character, or at least understanding why the decision was made.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 19:37:10
January 25 2015 19:35 GMT
#91294
On January 26 2015 04:29 Kipsate wrote:
I didn't peg Neo for a sis-con

btw Mayumi is best.

[image loading]

\o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 25 2015 23:24 GMT
#91295
On January 26 2015 03:00 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 02:52 Sentenal wrote:
On January 26 2015 02:49 Cedstick wrote:
@ Sentenal -- as for the science-fiction stuff, there's a lot of elements, from the entropy-technology mech to the computer-versus-cyborg trajectory calculations, and of course the on-going mystery of what the fuck is up with the Aldnoah power-transferring -- yes, they've discussed theories on it in the actual story. There's nothing ground-breaking about the science-fiction elements or the story, but it's a fair bit more complex and difficult to execute than anything else I can think of currently airing. And on that note...

How is it any more complex or difficult to explain than, for example, stuff in G Reco? Or even if we back up a bit to when Season 1 was airing, Argevollen?

To be clear, I don't think that Aldnoah Zero is terrible. I've seen some pretty bad anime in my day, and Aldnoah Zero is somewhere inbetween good and Giniro no Olynsis. But ambitious, creative, or clever? No way.

As I said, relative! That (now second-to-last) paragraph about the extreme opinions really irks me. Not that studios themselves don't have flaws; we had a really cool initial premise with Aldnoah, for instance, from Mr Urobuchi himself, before he fucked-off after episode three, and it has shown. Thankfully he seems to have written core plot points for the studio to at least connect the dots.

On another note, Under the Drama. I was never very hyped for this myself, as WELP TEENAGERS WHO'DA THOUGHT, but it did at least seem like it could've been neat. Hopefully the backers aren't disappointed.

Relative to what? I offered two recent mecha anime for you to compare to, to tell me how its any more ambitious, creative, or well thought out than those two. Or give me some other specific examples.

You don't rate an anime based on its premise, not that Aldnoah Zero is very unique in premise anyway. And the hard scifi in the show is so minor thats irrelevant to its plot. So what else is there to judge the anime on, other than its plot, execution, writing, visuals, and audio?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
January 25 2015 23:33 GMT
#91296
Finished G-sen today (finally). At least true end was pretty good, took forever for me to get through Tsubaki and Kanon routes zzzzzzz

Also catching up with Shirobako, Aoi is cute as hell.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 25 2015 23:53 GMT
#91297
So you liked + Show Spoiler +
btw MC has a brother, and all that other Code Geass-esque shit in the final chapter?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-25 23:56:39
January 25 2015 23:55 GMT
#91298
On January 26 2015 04:01 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 03:53 Unleashing wrote:
Also i'd like to add that a character being OP has little to do with said character being a mary sue. Kirito being a level above everyone else isn't what makes him a (imho) boring character, it's the way it was executed.

If being OP was what it took to be a mary sue, pic related would be one of the biggest offender:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I agree with you. Kirito's character and inner logic were written like shit.

Though sometimes I feel that when I disagree with a characters logic/actions/feelings I wonder how much of that is due to cultural differences and how much of it is poor writing lol.


For me, its cultural differences. They obviously don't make the best decisions because humans are always fallible but I do understand how a character in a serious story gets from one point to another without fail.

What did you not like about kirito's logic or feelings? I've had the impression that he easily forgoes logic for emotions and acts like a white knight. I don't think he is particularly smart at all outside of the VR technology that he studies and I don't think the story says he is smart.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
January 25 2015 23:55 GMT
#91299
On January 26 2015 08:24 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 03:00 Cedstick wrote:
On January 26 2015 02:52 Sentenal wrote:
On January 26 2015 02:49 Cedstick wrote:
@ Sentenal -- as for the science-fiction stuff, there's a lot of elements, from the entropy-technology mech to the computer-versus-cyborg trajectory calculations, and of course the on-going mystery of what the fuck is up with the Aldnoah power-transferring -- yes, they've discussed theories on it in the actual story. There's nothing ground-breaking about the science-fiction elements or the story, but it's a fair bit more complex and difficult to execute than anything else I can think of currently airing. And on that note...

How is it any more complex or difficult to explain than, for example, stuff in G Reco? Or even if we back up a bit to when Season 1 was airing, Argevollen?

To be clear, I don't think that Aldnoah Zero is terrible. I've seen some pretty bad anime in my day, and Aldnoah Zero is somewhere inbetween good and Giniro no Olynsis. But ambitious, creative, or clever? No way.

As I said, relative! That (now second-to-last) paragraph about the extreme opinions really irks me. Not that studios themselves don't have flaws; we had a really cool initial premise with Aldnoah, for instance, from Mr Urobuchi himself, before he fucked-off after episode three, and it has shown. Thankfully he seems to have written core plot points for the studio to at least connect the dots.

On another note, Under the Drama. I was never very hyped for this myself, as WELP TEENAGERS WHO'DA THOUGHT, but it did at least seem like it could've been neat. Hopefully the backers aren't disappointed.

Relative to what? I offered two recent mecha anime for you to compare to, to tell me how its any more ambitious, creative, or well thought out than those two. Or give me some other specific examples.

You don't rate an anime based on its premise, not that Aldnoah Zero is very unique in premise anyway. And the hard scifi in the show is so minor thats irrelevant to its plot. So what else is there to judge the anime on, other than its plot, execution, writing, visuals, and audio?

I've never heard of either of those animes and didn't realize they were recent. Relative to other anime is indeed what I meant.

The plot is pretty fun with some flaws, execution and writing factor in to that, the visuals are generally good (in my opinion) but can be jarring in the 2D/3D difference at times, and the audio is awesome.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 26 2015 00:01 GMT
#91300
So if you don't ever watch anything to compare it to, how can you call it ambitious? Give me something you have watched to compare with. Because it seems to me that Aldnoah Zero has gone from you calling it "ambitious" to just being "fun", which is the most subjective thing you could possibly say about it.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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