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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 31 2014 01:34 GMT
#86701
taiga is too much tsun for me
i feel like they also shafted minori pretty hard. also ami is best girl
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 01:46:28
October 31 2014 01:44 GMT
#86702
i like toradora mainly because of how ryuuji was, i liked the fact he wasnt super gorgeous/model playboy like you u see in alot of other anime XD (but i guess he does have 2 pretty+a model girls chasing after him )

although speaking of model gorgeous male leads i super super enjoyed Tonari no Kaibutsu and Sukitte Ii na yo
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 01:49:46
October 31 2014 01:49 GMT
#86703
Toradora's still better than most of the romcoms out there. >___>

At least I finished it.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 31 2014 01:52 GMT
#86704
For some reason i really hated Bokura ga Ita... :/ male mc was just a huge douche in my eyes
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 02:14:21
October 31 2014 01:59 GMT
#86705
That's the case with so many shoujo manga.

lol....so this is a thing.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
October 31 2014 02:14 GMT
#86706
On October 31 2014 10:27 ZenithM wrote:
Psycho-Pass 2: Akane is as cool as her kouhai is annoying. And Akane has become super cool.
Well, Psycho-Pass is awesome.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 08:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 31 2014 08:21 BigFan wrote:
On October 31 2014 02:26 TheEmulator wrote:
On October 30 2014 22:27 goody153 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Stein;s Gate] +
It would have really liked it if the ending was to make MC-kun choose between Tu Tu Ru Ru and Kirisu. And one of them dies (whether he the one he chose or the other) or better yet both of them die as he tries to save one or two of them.

The ending was too happy for my liking that everybody lives.


On October 30 2014 21:38 Numy wrote:
I much preferred the beginning segment of Steins;gate to the ending. Maybe I just didn't like to see the tu tu ru like that :<

On October 30 2014 21:24 goody153 wrote:
On October 30 2014 05:02 Miragee wrote:
K-ON!! ep6

+ Show Spoiler +
That Yui-Giita-Azusa love triangle...I lol'd so hard. xD


Yui is love.


Think you confused. Ui is love.


I am sure that i am not confusing them.

UI is the perfect waifu but everyone knows Yui is love. l

On October 30 2014 21:50 Kipsate wrote:
I think you mean Mio.



That's not how you spell Yui.

On October 30 2014 22:12 Numy wrote:
Chaika S2 Ep 4 + Show Spoiler +
Dam so called who Chaika's were. Guess it was pretty easy after we found out the origins of the half transformed one. This show REALLY reminds me of scrapped Princess. Seems to be escalating to global scale as well. Reading reddit people really didn't expect that reveal, guess reddit is just filled with idiots lol.


On October 30 2014 21:50 Kipsate wrote:
I think you mean Mio.

and yes AgK is silly, they just kill people off for the sake of kiling people/character development too.

I still somewhat enjoy it tho.


MioYui vs Ui is tough. I don't know which is love and which is life. Ui encompasses so much since she not only is love but she is vital for survival.

ftfy

steins;gate
+ Show Spoiler +
Choosing between Kurisu/Mayuri is what I expected. Also thought there might be the possibility of Okarin dying and both of them living. Don't get me wrong, I am happy it ended with them all alive, but I felt like they prepped us so much for a death that it should of happened. There weren't enough feels with the good ending. I'm assuming there are death routes in the VN though, maybe I willl play that. Still one of my favourite anime that I've seen so far.


On another note, not sure what to start next. Thinking Toradora, maybe Shinsekai Yori? I still haven't seen Clannad, lol. I'm so behind on a lot of the classic anime

No need to ask this question, you got the answer right there! You even put it first! There, I bolded it, underlined it and made it much bigger for you! lol. Clearly, subconsciously, you think it should be watched so what are you waiting for? There's no need to consider any other (romcom) anime when you have the best anime made by man. The show has it all! Great characters with unique personalities, heart wrenching moments and an entertaining story that will have you begging for more and cursing the author when you realize there's only one silly (but fun) OVA!

There's a reason that Toradora is usually recommended and is quite often used as a benchmark. It's because it gets it right! The show manages to combine comedy and romance in a way that has been unreplicable by other anime to date. It's art quality, sound and animation are superb leaving you with an unforgettable experience! So, does this mean that other anime are bad? no, not necessary. It just means that Toradora is that good!!!!!

Think of it like Starcraft: Toradora is the Flash of BW. Lots of builds, solid mechanics and amazing decision making skills that propel it to the top of the pack. Other anime are like the random A and B teamers. They have some skills but need a lot of work to even come close. You may get the S-class player here and there that seem to compete only to fall by the wayside as things heat up. Toradora is comedy! Toradora is romance! Toradora is love! <3

ps if you hate love, you hate Toradora by definition! For shame! :O

After the first few episode, I'm pretty sure I kept watching just for Ami.

Pretty much.

Does that mean her kouhai has become super annoying?
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50607 Posts
October 31 2014 02:22 GMT
#86707
On October 31 2014 11:14 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 10:27 ZenithM wrote:
Psycho-Pass 2: Akane is as cool as her kouhai is annoying. And Akane has become super cool.
Well, Psycho-Pass is awesome.

On October 31 2014 08:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 31 2014 08:21 BigFan wrote:
On October 31 2014 02:26 TheEmulator wrote:
On October 30 2014 22:27 goody153 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Stein;s Gate] +
It would have really liked it if the ending was to make MC-kun choose between Tu Tu Ru Ru and Kirisu. And one of them dies (whether he the one he chose or the other) or better yet both of them die as he tries to save one or two of them.

The ending was too happy for my liking that everybody lives.


On October 30 2014 21:38 Numy wrote:
I much preferred the beginning segment of Steins;gate to the ending. Maybe I just didn't like to see the tu tu ru like that :<

On October 30 2014 21:24 goody153 wrote:
On October 30 2014 05:02 Miragee wrote:
K-ON!! ep6

+ Show Spoiler +
That Yui-Giita-Azusa love triangle...I lol'd so hard. xD


Yui is love.


Think you confused. Ui is love.


I am sure that i am not confusing them.

UI is the perfect waifu but everyone knows Yui is love. l

On October 30 2014 21:50 Kipsate wrote:
I think you mean Mio.



That's not how you spell Yui.

On October 30 2014 22:12 Numy wrote:
Chaika S2 Ep 4 + Show Spoiler +
Dam so called who Chaika's were. Guess it was pretty easy after we found out the origins of the half transformed one. This show REALLY reminds me of scrapped Princess. Seems to be escalating to global scale as well. Reading reddit people really didn't expect that reveal, guess reddit is just filled with idiots lol.


On October 30 2014 21:50 Kipsate wrote:
I think you mean Mio.

and yes AgK is silly, they just kill people off for the sake of kiling people/character development too.

I still somewhat enjoy it tho.


MioYui vs Ui is tough. I don't know which is love and which is life. Ui encompasses so much since she not only is love but she is vital for survival.

ftfy

steins;gate
+ Show Spoiler +
Choosing between Kurisu/Mayuri is what I expected. Also thought there might be the possibility of Okarin dying and both of them living. Don't get me wrong, I am happy it ended with them all alive, but I felt like they prepped us so much for a death that it should of happened. There weren't enough feels with the good ending. I'm assuming there are death routes in the VN though, maybe I willl play that. Still one of my favourite anime that I've seen so far.


On another note, not sure what to start next. Thinking Toradora, maybe Shinsekai Yori? I still haven't seen Clannad, lol. I'm so behind on a lot of the classic anime

No need to ask this question, you got the answer right there! You even put it first! There, I bolded it, underlined it and made it much bigger for you! lol. Clearly, subconsciously, you think it should be watched so what are you waiting for? There's no need to consider any other (romcom) anime when you have the best anime made by man. The show has it all! Great characters with unique personalities, heart wrenching moments and an entertaining story that will have you begging for more and cursing the author when you realize there's only one silly (but fun) OVA!

There's a reason that Toradora is usually recommended and is quite often used as a benchmark. It's because it gets it right! The show manages to combine comedy and romance in a way that has been unreplicable by other anime to date. It's art quality, sound and animation are superb leaving you with an unforgettable experience! So, does this mean that other anime are bad? no, not necessary. It just means that Toradora is that good!!!!!

Think of it like Starcraft: Toradora is the Flash of BW. Lots of builds, solid mechanics and amazing decision making skills that propel it to the top of the pack. Other anime are like the random A and B teamers. They have some skills but need a lot of work to even come close. You may get the S-class player here and there that seem to compete only to fall by the wayside as things heat up. Toradora is comedy! Toradora is romance! Toradora is love! <3

ps if you hate love, you hate Toradora by definition! For shame! :O

After the first few episode, I'm pretty sure I kept watching just for Ami.

Pretty much.

Does that mean her kouhai has become super annoying?


shes always been super annoying, I don't know how anyone put up with her.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 31 2014 02:28 GMT
#86708
I don't know how people put up with Psycho Pass in general.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 31 2014 02:35 GMT
#86709
Its the Moe police with Hanakana, how can I not watch that ZNF~
WriterXiao8~~
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 31 2014 02:39 GMT
#86710
The robots were moe
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 31 2014 03:14 GMT
#86711
I put up with it because it's good :D
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 31 2014 03:15 GMT
#86712
New inspector in PP is so painful to watch.
PP Ep 4 spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
Really wanted the inspector chick to live too. QQ rip
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Ryuhou)aS(
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1174 Posts
October 31 2014 03:21 GMT
#86713
On October 31 2014 10:59 Zergneedsfood wrote:
That's the case with so many shoujo manga.

lol....so this is a thing.

I... What the actual fuck?!

I came here with a purpose and was completely sidetracked by that utter ridiculousness znf. Well played my friend.


ANYWAYS, I finally caved and dled/installed my first VN. Not the best choice for my metaphorical VN cherry but i decided to start with Grisaia no Kajitsu (mostly because I didn't want to spend time each week to watch the anime as I'm already following too much this season for me to keep up with my school/work/life schedule....I figured, i can just grind this out real quick and be done with it...boy was I wrong there , haha). Anyways, it's not bad I guess (the VN part). I donno about this, I mean, it's basically just reading manga but with voice overs and very very slight "actions"...it seems to be just a step less boring than manga ( IMO ) which is really just looking at still pictures (very dull to my instant gratification need for speed American view on entertainment).

Now onto the actual content? I still haven't reached the split into the different endings yet, (i can't tell how far I really am into this. is that normal?). Anyways, I really just came here to say Makina is fucking hilarious. Maybe not waifu material, but still...saving this thing one insane line at a time. + Show Spoiler +
"What blasphemy! Underneath the great and beautiful cycle of existence, the journey from the cradle to the grave, lies a foundation of sexual pleasure! The orgasm is life itself ya know?!"

and

"Well, life's a long and twisty road! Sometimes ya have a phase like that. Masturbate like a deranged ape to your heart's content, my friend! But try to work on thinking up something else to do with your life. In between sessions."
I fucking lost it at these parts. Nearly spit my dr. pepper all over my monitor. I'm really really hoping thats what she really said and it's not a translator joke, b/c that would kill it for me.
BW. There will always be a special place in my heart for the game I spent 10 years to be mediocre at.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 31 2014 03:26 GMT
#86714
I don't know what you expected, ofc its "basically reading". VNs are Visual Novels, so obviously you read them.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 31 2014 03:33 GMT
#86715
Michiru is muh favorite. ^_^
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 31 2014 03:35 GMT
#86716
Sachi best yo
WriterXiao8~~
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 03:41:09
October 31 2014 03:37 GMT
#86717
Amane~

Edit: Like Sentenal said, it's a visual novel, so expect a lot of reading. Grisaia was my second VN (Katawa Shoujo being my first) and Grisaia is an epic shit ton of reading in comparison. Each girl's route can take up to 8-10 hours, depending on how fast you read but before all of that, there's the common route where you have to sift through. The path choice are really minimal, even with the first three choices being moot afaik. In all, I found Grasaia very enjoyable and a humongous time sink.

Makina does have a potty mouth but I can't attest to the translation accuracy. Maybe Ecael can chime in.
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Ryuhou)aS(
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1174 Posts
October 31 2014 03:43 GMT
#86718
On October 31 2014 12:26 Sentenal wrote:
I don't know what you expected, ofc its "basically reading". VNs are Visual Novels, so obviously you read them.


Hmm, It's not that I'm complaining that it's basically reading, I actually love reading books, it's usually my go to when i'm looking for something I enjoy doing in some free time. But like, in novels and such my imagination is let loose and I can think up really awesome images for what i'm reading. This is sort of like forcing my imagination into submission which puts a damper on the overall experience for myself (i guess that's the best way of putting it). I donno that's probably not how i want to put it but i'm not really into thinking to hard on it myself.

Also, if I was forced to choose a girl (as waifu material) I would probably choose Sachi then probably Amane (I like sachi's sincerity and naivete. I also really like Amane's bluntness and straightforward style...In an ideal world my perfect girl would be the one to make the first move which is in Amane's character).

But why limit yourself? This is fantasy anyways, why not just take the whole lot?
BW. There will always be a special place in my heart for the game I spent 10 years to be mediocre at.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 31 2014 03:53 GMT
#86719
i think makina is best girl: spoiler free
+ Show Spoiler +
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 31 2014 03:58 GMT
#86720
ive only played Katawa Shoujo, is Grisaia a good second one to go to? (similar romance as main story?)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
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