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Just_a_Moth
Canada1970 Posts
On May 08 2013 06:44 maru~ wrote: How is that even possible when you're into anime? I'm an anime noob. Been less than a year since I started watching, if you read my post about Eva, which is in a post stack you quoted, you'll see why I started watching. Before I thought it was lame. Now opinion is like this: 90% of science fiction is crap, just like everything else, except Fantasy of which 95% is crap and Anime of which 98% is crap. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:23 Just_a_Moth wrote: I'm an anime noob. Been less than a year since I started watching, if you read my post about Eva, which is in a post stack you quoted, you'll see why I started watching. Before I thought it was lame. Now opinion is like this: 90% of science fiction is crap, just like everything else, except Fantasy of which 95% is crap and Anime of which 98% is crap. Don't worry it. You're mostly right than a high percentage that most anime is garbage. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:23 Just_a_Moth wrote: I'm an anime noob. Been less than a year since I started watching, if you read my post about Eva, which is in a post stack you quoted, you'll see why I started watching. Before I thought it was lame. Now opinion is like this: 90% of science fiction is crap, just like everything else, except Fantasy of which 95% is crap and Anime of which 98% is crap. Seems pretty accurate to me | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:13 Kaal wrote: He is, and he's right. Sailor Moon, aers' favorite series, has some really, really, really, really fucked up shit in it. I can think of two others that are almost as fucked up. Would Utena be one of those two? | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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Hey Sean.
United Kingdom196 Posts
As far as the fanbase goes I don't really care. They tend to stick to their own threads so if you don't want to read about Madoka, you don't have to. That's just from the forums I use though, I can't comment on others. Also grimdark is where they just add in "dark" elements for the sake of it, like Elfen Lied or something. If it's done well, through story or whatever, it's just dark. That's just my definition though. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1970 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:50 Hey Sean. wrote: Madoka is probably one of the best examples of "I hate it because it's popular." People seem to think the only reason it sells is because of the kids dying, which is simply not true. The problem with it being so popular is that when it does get discussed, everyone rushes out to give their opinions and usually don't really do a fair review of it. It's like describing something like Sailor Moon as "It's just tits." You're best just watching it and making your own opinion and not bother asking, since all it does it get people mad, same with stuff like the monogatari's, eva, anything that sells quite well really. As far as the fanbase goes I don't really care. They tend to stick to their own threads so if you don't want to read about Madoka, you don't have to. That's just from the forums I use though, I can't comment on others. Also grimdark is where they just add in "dark" elements for the sake of it, like Elfen Lied or something. If it's done well, through story or whatever, it's just dark. That's just my definition though. I didn't know Madoka was popular, just watching magical 8 year old girls run around doing magical stuff, whether they're dying or not, isn't really my thing. Also, since you mentioned Elfen Lied, Fuck Lucy, she's a bitch. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:50 Hey Sean. wrote: Madoka is probably one of the best examples of "I hate it because it's popular." People seem to think the only reason it sells is because of the kids dying, which is simply not true. The problem with it being so popular is that when it does get discussed, everyone rushes out to give their opinions and usually don't really do a fair review of it. It's like describing something like Sailor Moon as "It's just tits." You're best just watching it and making your own opinion and not bother asking, since all it does it get people mad, same with stuff like the monogatari's, eva, anything that sells quite well really. As far as the fanbase goes I don't really care. They tend to stick to their own threads so if you don't want to read about Madoka, you don't have to. That's just from the forums I use though, I can't comment on others. Also grimdark is where they just add in "dark" elements for the sake of it, like Elfen Lied or something. If it's done well, through story or whatever, it's just dark. That's just my definition though. That is not true. Madoka has its own fair share of problems; problems with character appeal, pacing, ramming shock value down our throats to enhance an emotional response from the audience, and a relatively predictable plot (a good portion of the entire fanbase pretty much figured what was going on by episodes 5/6). The ending was also strange considering they + Show Spoiler + made a bunch of historically prominent but persecuted women as magical witches, which I felt was kind of dumb and unnecessary. Granted, I liked Madoka, but to say that the anime is one of those "I hate it because it's popular" is ignoring the fact that the story has gaping problems in its execution that warrants fair criticisms. | ||
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Hey Sean.
United Kingdom196 Posts
I only say "I hate it because it's popular" because of the style of posts that are used to describe it really. From aers post on the last page, the only reasons he gives are because it's edgy and the fanbase is cancerous. That's not really a fair assessment of the anime and if you're going to give your opinion on it, then that doesn't really say why you don't like it. That kind of post is a "I hate popular things" post. If you disliked it (let's pretend) using the reasons you stated, then that's fine. Those are legitimate reasons, while edgy is not a reason. The problem with anyone bringing up Madoka is that usually, on both sides, people just write awful long posts with no real information in it and it just turns into a shitflinging contest between those who love it and those who hate it. Which is also why it comes under my 'Just watch it" recommendation list, since trying to discuss it anywhere is usually pointless. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 08 2013 08:11 KazeHydra wrote: "Hate because it's popular" is such a cop out excuse to disregard legitimate complaints. I like Madoka, but it's soooooo overrated, it's not even funny. Its popularity is so ridiculous and most of the praises for it are pretty dumb. I read half the SAO novels before the anime aired and hated it. And then somehow the anime made it worse but was still stupidly popular. As for Eva, there's a separate thread for that filled with arguments. There's also the corollary argument of "it's good because it's popular." With these 2 lines, you can actually prove that if enough people like a show, it has no flaws! To be fair, when 98% of anime is shit, its easy to overrate things just because it seems better by comparison. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On May 08 2013 08:16 biology]major wrote: To be fair, when 98% of anime is shit, its easy to overrate things just because it seems better by comparison. There's a big difference between overrating a show and hordes of people making ludicrous claims. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
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Ushio
Canada868 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 08 2013 08:32 Ushio wrote: I wonder why people like SAO so much, it was pretty crap. Maybe they are really young? Idk.. but if you are over a certain age it should be clear that SAO is some shit. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 08 2013 08:32 Ushio wrote: I wonder why people like SAO so much, it was pretty crap. A vast majority of television watchers yearn for protagonists with whom they can sympathize, idolize, etc. It makes them feel more secure about their lives as generally unproductive couch potatoes when they see a random MMO player saaaaave the woooorld. They don't want to connect with unfit characters like Haruyuki, which is why Accel World is much less popular despite being better in many ways. Also loli. | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On May 08 2013 07:07 aers wrote: Madoka is what happens when older people who watch little girls shows go "boy I sure wish this show for little girls had people dying and shit because I'm incapable of enjoying something unless that happens and everything must be made for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" so someone went and did it. The Madoka fanbase is fucking cancerous and if there was any show I could erase in the past decade it would be that. People who think Madoka is groundbreaking/revolutionary come into discussion threads for actual kids shows and spout off nonsense about how totally dark the show actually is guys really come on! There is more fucked up shit in some of the actual 'magical girl' manga/anime targeted at younger audiences then in Madoka which makes it all the more hilarious. PS - ~deconstruction~ "It's shit because I don't like the fanbase" On May 08 2013 07:18 Zergneedsfood wrote: I was kidding about Darker than Black by the way. I thought so, but it's actually quite a dark show and I can see why someone could perceive it as grimdark. On May 08 2013 08:24 Zeke50100 wrote: I loved Madoka because I hadn't seen much anime at the time of watching (actually, I still haven't seen much) and the music was enjoyable. You could say limited breadth is skewing perceptions and expectations, but that seems too reasonable Or maybe it's just a legitimately good show. | ||
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