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On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Perhaps; my counter Fate/Zero would be that it'd only be fair to compare "the cream of the crop" of anime to the best TV series as well, which, I dun really watch TV series unfort but in terms of movies it'd be like comparing Silent Service to Das Boot, not the random annual TV series.
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Why would it ?
If people like Jersey Shore then people will like Infinate Stratos. Should all the producers have some altruistic motive of making better shit for us to enjoy when obviously enough people enjoy the shit shit they are dishing out ?
If Tari Tari makes people watching it smile like an idiot and Real Housewifes of wherever does the same thing I dont see what the problem is from the creators perspective.
Why does the oppurtunity to do more clever things mean its less of an excuse to make bad shit ? Just because you can do more with a medium doesnt mean making bad shit is inexcusable.
Bad shit is bad. Doesnt matter where the upper bound is. The motivation is in the $$'s. Most creators hardly think lets please blow peoples minds with our hard work and genius (oh and well lose the airtime slot to Queens Blade).
People who like Muv-Luv, there is one more side story that has been translated for it, although its not very long. Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Chicken Divers. It was translated and put onto Youtube, spread out over 5 parts, so its short.
Chicken Divers is a short side story thats including with MLA: Chronicles. It is about an Orbital Diver, who takes part in the Orbital Drop during the Battle of Sadogashima.
Being an Orbital Diver, a position with only a 20% chance of survival, has to be one of the worst jobs in all of Alternative. I think the only one that could possibly compete with it, in terms of how bad the job is, would be infantry on the front lines.
On August 30 2012 07:41 ragz_gt wrote: There are alot bad stuff... Tari Tari is not really one. It's not master piece by any means but it's better than mediocre at least.
Dunno. I have to admit I'm lumping it in with k-on and others.
On August 30 2012 07:41 ragz_gt wrote: There are alot bad stuff... Tari Tari is not really one. It's not master piece by any means but it's better than mediocre at least.
Dunno. I have to admit I'm lumping it in with k-on and others.
Tari Tari is beautiful. Waaaaay better than K-ON (sorry, Azu-nyan).
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Why would it ?
If people like Jersey Shore then people will like Infinate Stratos. Should all the producers have some altruistic motive of making better shit for us to enjoy when obviously enough people enjoy the shit shit they are dishing out ?
If Tari Tari makes people watching it smile like an idiot and Real Housewifes of wherever does the same thing I dont see what the problem is from the creators perspective.
Why does the oppurtunity to do more clever things mean its less of an excuse to make bad shit ? Just because you can do more with a medium doesnt mean making bad shit is inexcusable.
Bad shit is bad. Doesnt matter where the upper bound is. The motivation is in the $$'s. Most creators hardly think lets please blow peoples minds with our hard work and genius (oh and well lose the airtime slot to Queens Blade).
Its not like shit like Infinate stratoes and Tari Tari are getting incredible sales or anything. I was under the impression that anime as a whole was on a decline market wise. It seems like anime that break the status quo are the ones with the great sales. Such as Fate Zero, FMA, Madoka, Bakemonogatari,....codegeas.... But I guess the oppisite is true too thinking about it now. And most of those where just copys of LNs and manga.
On August 30 2012 03:03 Southlight wrote: I would recommend LoGH and Silent Service (the only two that immediately come to mind) when it comes to military genius depicted in a practical way, complete with hashed out, relatively feasible tactics. There have been others but I don't think too many stand out because, well, most authors are not actually smart enough to pull it off. Is a big reason why "hyper intelligent protagonists" and such aren't used much, in any medium, making things like Dexter quite rare. Anime is (for better or for worse) not exception to the rule, it just annoys me that people hype DN as like super intellectual anime when it's like UGGHH would you say the same for like, Suits or White Collar or stuff like that!?
Feasible tactics in LoGH? First season or so was nice but after that it really went downhill. There was no real consistency in the rules of battle. Most double episode battles would be some random maneuvering and shooting, where you always knew from the start of the battle that the stronger side would manage a Pyrrhic victory at best either due to greedy generals or to some new phenomena. + Show Spoiler +
And if there is a death star in your way, just send in a few invincible super-soldiers with axes.
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Why would it ?
If people like Jersey Shore then people will like Infinate Stratos. Should all the producers have some altruistic motive of making better shit for us to enjoy when obviously enough people enjoy the shit shit they are dishing out ?
If Tari Tari makes people watching it smile like an idiot and Real Housewifes of wherever does the same thing I dont see what the problem is from the creators perspective.
Why does the oppurtunity to do more clever things mean its less of an excuse to make bad shit ? Just because you can do more with a medium doesnt mean making bad shit is inexcusable.
Bad shit is bad. Doesnt matter where the upper bound is. The motivation is in the $$'s. Most creators hardly think lets please blow peoples minds with our hard work and genius (oh and well lose the airtime slot to Queens Blade).
Its not like shit like Infinate stratoes and Tari Tari are getting incredible sales or anything. I was under the impression that anime as a whole was on a decline market wise. It seems like anime that break the status quo are the ones with the great sales. Such as Fate Zero, FMA, Madoka, Bakemonogatari,....codegeas.... But I guess the oppisite is true too thinking about it now. And most of those where just copys of LNs and manga.
We've been through this before but its a very small niche, so investing to much outside of fodder fluff that the majority of the market is prepped for isnt worth anyones time. Atleast not in relative terms.
For all the great VN's you guys read I'd take a gander that theres a proportionatley larger amount of absolute garbage, galge's, otomes, dating sims and eroge's or whatever they are called.
Difference being VN's are story focused and tend to not be garbage sometimes but I think they fall in roughly the same blanket from a production perspective.
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Why would it ?
If people like Jersey Shore then people will like Infinate Stratos. Should all the producers have some altruistic motive of making better shit for us to enjoy when obviously enough people enjoy the shit shit they are dishing out ?
If Tari Tari makes people watching it smile like an idiot and Real Housewifes of wherever does the same thing I dont see what the problem is from the creators perspective.
Why does the oppurtunity to do more clever things mean its less of an excuse to make bad shit ? Just because you can do more with a medium doesnt mean making bad shit is inexcusable.
Bad shit is bad. Doesnt matter where the upper bound is. The motivation is in the $$'s. Most creators hardly think lets please blow peoples minds with our hard work and genius (oh and well lose the airtime slot to Queens Blade).
Its not like shit like Infinate stratoes and Tari Tari are getting incredible sales or anything. I was under the impression that anime as a whole was on a decline market wise. It seems like anime that break the status quo are the ones with the great sales. Such as Fate Zero, FMA, Madoka, Bakemonogatari,....codegeas.... But I guess the oppisite is true too thinking about it now. And most of those where just copys of LNs and manga.
We've been through this before but its a very small niche, so investing to much outside of fodder fluff that the majority of the market is prepped for isnt worth anyones time. Atleast not in relative terms.
For all the great VN's you guys read I'd take a gander that theres a proportionatley larger amount of absolute garbage, galge's, otomes, dating sims and eroge's or whatever they are called.
I have to say average quality of VN (and light novel) is significantly better than average quality of anime. Because those are much heavier investment than anime and they have to really compete for customer (as opposite to have a pre-determined fixed slot on TV). If an anime bomb, they get a bad rating, and the publisher take a hit, but if a game or novel bomb, no one would buy them and author / gaming company could just go broke right away.
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote: With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
It would be more fair to compare them to top anime this year like fate zero. Point being was its almost just as rare to find a smart well made story in movies and tv series as in anime. But I can see your point that anime kinda has less of an excuse to dish out the typical quality that it does. Seems you get way more piles of shit in anime comparatively which is sad being that its in such a niche market. Tho I guess that is more the fault of the anime markets audience.
Why would it ?
If people like Jersey Shore then people will like Infinate Stratos. Should all the producers have some altruistic motive of making better shit for us to enjoy when obviously enough people enjoy the shit shit they are dishing out ?
If Tari Tari makes people watching it smile like an idiot and Real Housewifes of wherever does the same thing I dont see what the problem is from the creators perspective.
Why does the oppurtunity to do more clever things mean its less of an excuse to make bad shit ? Just because you can do more with a medium doesnt mean making bad shit is inexcusable.
Bad shit is bad. Doesnt matter where the upper bound is. The motivation is in the $$'s. Most creators hardly think lets please blow peoples minds with our hard work and genius (oh and well lose the airtime slot to Queens Blade).
Its not like shit like Infinate stratoes and Tari Tari are getting incredible sales or anything. I was under the impression that anime as a whole was on a decline market wise. It seems like anime that break the status quo are the ones with the great sales. Such as Fate Zero, FMA, Madoka, Bakemonogatari,....codegeas.... But I guess the oppisite is true too thinking about it now. And most of those where just copys of LNs and manga.
We've been through this before but its a very small niche, so investing to much outside of fodder fluff that the majority of the market is prepped for isnt worth anyones time. Atleast not in relative terms.
For all the great VN's you guys read I'd take a gander that theres a proportionatley larger amount of absolute garbage, galge's, otomes, dating sims and eroge's or whatever they are called.
I have to say average quality of VN (and light novel) is significantly better than average quality of anime. Because those are much heavier investment than anime and they have to really compete for customer (as opposite to have a pre-determined fixed slot on TV). If an anime bomb, they get a bad rating, and the publisher take a hit, but if a game or novel bomb, no one would buy them and author / gaming company could just go broke right away.
I didnt say VN's specifically, galge's and dating sims are not necessarily VN's. But from a resource perspective they require similar things. VN's require more time and effort, are harder to make and need to generally be very good. So why not make the other garbage and rake in some.
I also feel that VNs usually have more serious either established or wannabe authors, who put a lot of pride into their work. Some are just not that good at it, but that's just the way it is in a market that's not flooded yet with hyper-talented writers, especially when the influence of light novels is far too close for comfort. But you can tell when certain companies are capable and willing to dish out money for established authors. Nitro+, Key, etc. almost always pump out high-quality writing because of it. On the other hand I feel like script-writers and storyboarders for anime are an afterthought, as the politicking of directors/producers/etc. seem more ego-based.
Well, a big portion of galge are VN. I don't have much experience with dating sims, but I think games / novel have better quality than anime / manga overall, because the investment and risk.
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