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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 29 2012 16:35 GMT
#45841
On August 30 2012 01:34 Zeke50100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 01:31 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On August 30 2012 01:30 MichaelEU wrote:
On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the latter? I became a tree.


I don't know. I haven't watched enough anime.

*effective dodge*


Liar. You want to say The Legend of Korra, don't you?


I kill you.
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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
August 29 2012 16:36 GMT
#45842
On August 30 2012 01:31 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 01:30 MichaelEU wrote:
On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the latter? I became a tree.


I don't know. I haven't watched enough anime.

*effective dodge*

znf always dodge never not dodge
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2012 16:39 GMT
#45843
I'm not speaking ill about entry anime. I'm just saying that they tend to have ratings that are inflated as hell, and was stating that I felt that was the case beCAUSE they are entry anime.
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redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
August 29 2012 16:45 GMT
#45844
My gateway was Darker Than Black. Now that I've seen more, it doesn't seem that great, but at the time it was pretty cool. DN was my second actually. I don't really get the harsh criticism it gets except for the last 1/3 with N and Mello. The rest of it was good though. No, the writing wasn't masterful and there really wasn't much in the way of interesting characters except for L and First-Half-Light, but the story was engaging and suspenceful. It was paced far better than 99% of animes, even those widely loved by devout anime fans, and had a coherent plot that didn't get mired down in unnecessary side plots that are so common in other shows that originated as serialized manga.
The horror...the horror
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 29 2012 17:02 GMT
#45845
On August 30 2012 01:45 redoxx wrote:
My gateway was Darker Than Black. Now that I've seen more, it doesn't seem that great, but at the time it was pretty cool. DN was my second actually. I don't really get the harsh criticism it gets except for the last 1/3 with N and Mello. The rest of it was good though. No, the writing wasn't masterful and there really wasn't much in the way of interesting characters except for L and First-Half-Light, but the story was engaging and suspenceful. It was paced far better than 99% of animes, even those widely loved by devout anime fans, and had a coherent plot that didn't get mired down in unnecessary side plots that are so common in other shows that originated as serialized manga.

darker than black is one of my favorite shows..
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
August 29 2012 17:09 GMT
#45846
On August 30 2012 02:02 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 01:45 redoxx wrote:
My gateway was Darker Than Black. Now that I've seen more, it doesn't seem that great, but at the time it was pretty cool. DN was my second actually. I don't really get the harsh criticism it gets except for the last 1/3 with N and Mello. The rest of it was good though. No, the writing wasn't masterful and there really wasn't much in the way of interesting characters except for L and First-Half-Light, but the story was engaging and suspenceful. It was paced far better than 99% of animes, even those widely loved by devout anime fans, and had a coherent plot that didn't get mired down in unnecessary side plots that are so common in other shows that originated as serialized manga.

darker than black is one of my favorite shows..

I didn't like the second season the first was good though. It reminded me of X-men but better.
The horror...the horror
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 29 2012 17:16 GMT
#45847
ya im talking about the first one
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 29 2012 17:22 GMT
#45848
On August 30 2012 01:30 MichaelEU wrote:
On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the latter? I became a tree.


Not sure if ladder, but anime I think is better than DN:
Maison Ikkoku
FMP Fumoffu
GitS movie
08 MS

anime I enjoy more than DN though can't say for certain are better:
Last exile
Haibane Renmei
Air
Noir
Gunslinger Girls
Bacanno
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
August 29 2012 17:27 GMT
#45849
On August 30 2012 02:22 ragz_gt wrote:


anime I enjoy more than DN though can't say for certain are better:
Last exile
Haibane Renmei
Air
Noir
Gunslinger Girls
Bacanno
All those are miles ahead of DN imo.
#freeshauni
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 29 2012 17:29 GMT
#45850
Well, as you can tell I didn't enjoy DN as much as most people, since the second part of manga just killed it for me.

I'm giving it benefit of doubt since I'm biased.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
MichaelEU
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands816 Posts
August 29 2012 17:29 GMT
#45851
I already edited it but too many people quoted my post. T__T
世界を革命する力を!― znf: "Michael-oniichan ( *^▽^*)ノ✩キラ✩"
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 29 2012 17:31 GMT
#45852
On August 30 2012 02:29 MichaelEU wrote:
I already edited it but too many people quoted my post. T__T


Your latter is eternal.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 29 2012 17:57 GMT
#45853
On August 30 2012 00:48 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 22:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:25 Tabbris wrote:
On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.

Then I watched more anime.

And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever.

No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads.


I think Southlight meant that on the ladder of "anime that are actually well thought", Death Note is on the lower tier. In other words, it's on the ladder, just on a very low point on it.

I mean for a show like Death Note, which boasts about intelligent characters or great moral dilemmas, I usually don't get a good feeling about it. It's kind of like when people told me to watch Code Geass because of its intelligent protagonist.

And then I watched him and I realized he was the most retarded douchebag ever, so I just watched the show for brainless action instead.


Indeed. DN is about a guy that outwits people by having a supernatural weapon with a stacked deck of bullshit tricks that are basically impossible to guess. Like the memory eradication and such. There was one super smart guy (L) and a bunch of idiots doing convoluted tricks revolving around more and more maphack BS. I've mentioned it before and I say again, it's clear the author (mangaka) was not smart, because the most effective tricks were hashed out in the first few chapters, when L figures out Kira's locale and such. After that it became a game of silly cat and mouse revolving around the DN having extra tricks and aces and such.

Code Geass falls under the same overhyped category when it comes to actual smarts. I mean, again, the guy's got maphack and cheats his way through situations using a supernatural phenomenon. There's no actual outwitting and such here.

I didn't enjoy the anime series myself (oh the blasphemy) but a better example of actual intellectual prowess on the battlefield is Legend of Galactic Heroes. It never got fully animated by things like the Silent Service also display true yomi genius, to the point where tricks used in the Silent Service have gotten replicated in other similar ship-battle series. There are some legit, underappreciated things on the ladder of "well-thought-out, well-executed anime (and manga)" that far surpass things like DN, which get relatively lower reviews because they're always critiqued by veterans who can nitpick the finer details.


Ah yes I see. I just misunderstood your post but I can agree with this. I wouldnt compare DN and CG since CG makes everything up on the spot. At least DN attempted to stay within a certain boundry/rules if you know what I mean. All in all I dont think ive actually seen a "Smart" anime.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2012 18:03 GMT
#45854
I would recommend LoGH and Silent Service (the only two that immediately come to mind) when it comes to military genius depicted in a practical way, complete with hashed out, relatively feasible tactics. There have been others but I don't think too many stand out because, well, most authors are not actually smart enough to pull it off. Is a big reason why "hyper intelligent protagonists" and such aren't used much, in any medium, making things like Dexter quite rare. Anime is (for better or for worse) not exception to the rule, it just annoys me that people hype DN as like super intellectual anime when it's like UGGHH would you say the same for like, Suits or White Collar or stuff like that!?
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 18:13:24
August 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#45855
On August 30 2012 02:57 Tabbris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 00:48 Southlight wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On August 29 2012 21:25 Tabbris wrote:
On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.

Then I watched more anime.

And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever.

No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads.


I think Southlight meant that on the ladder of "anime that are actually well thought", Death Note is on the lower tier. In other words, it's on the ladder, just on a very low point on it.

I mean for a show like Death Note, which boasts about intelligent characters or great moral dilemmas, I usually don't get a good feeling about it. It's kind of like when people told me to watch Code Geass because of its intelligent protagonist.

And then I watched him and I realized he was the most retarded douchebag ever, so I just watched the show for brainless action instead.


Indeed. DN is about a guy that outwits people by having a supernatural weapon with a stacked deck of bullshit tricks that are basically impossible to guess. Like the memory eradication and such. There was one super smart guy (L) and a bunch of idiots doing convoluted tricks revolving around more and more maphack BS. I've mentioned it before and I say again, it's clear the author (mangaka) was not smart, because the most effective tricks were hashed out in the first few chapters, when L figures out Kira's locale and such. After that it became a game of silly cat and mouse revolving around the DN having extra tricks and aces and such.

Code Geass falls under the same overhyped category when it comes to actual smarts. I mean, again, the guy's got maphack and cheats his way through situations using a supernatural phenomenon. There's no actual outwitting and such here.

I didn't enjoy the anime series myself (oh the blasphemy) but a better example of actual intellectual prowess on the battlefield is Legend of Galactic Heroes. It never got fully animated by things like the Silent Service also display true yomi genius, to the point where tricks used in the Silent Service have gotten replicated in other similar ship-battle series. There are some legit, underappreciated things on the ladder of "well-thought-out, well-executed anime (and manga)" that far surpass things like DN, which get relatively lower reviews because they're always critiqued by veterans who can nitpick the finer details.


Ah yes I see. I just misunderstood your post but I can agree with this. I wouldnt compare DN and CG since CG makes everything up on the spot. At least DN attempted to stay within a certain boundry/rules if you know what I mean. All in all I dont think ive actually seen a "Smart" anime.


Eh... Detective Conan might actually be closest there is, which is kind of sad.

LoGH the strategy is on a too macro level, so that author can just manipulate the opposite to make the strategy work. From the result it looks really good, but, I don't know how much is actual intelligence or just good staging.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2012 19:04 GMT
#45856
Not sure. SS is one of the most memorable for me, but it's very micro scale, in that it's essentially one submarine vs multiple fleets/individual submarines/etc. It's also not translated, I think which really surprised me, given that it's probably the best submarine manga/anime ever written.
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Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 29 2012 20:07 GMT
#45857
On August 30 2012 03:03 Southlight wrote:
I would recommend LoGH and Silent Service (the only two that immediately come to mind) when it comes to military genius depicted in a practical way, complete with hashed out, relatively feasible tactics. There have been others but I don't think too many stand out because, well, most authors are not actually smart enough to pull it off. Is a big reason why "hyper intelligent protagonists" and such aren't used much, in any medium, making things like Dexter quite rare. Anime is (for better or for worse) not exception to the rule, it just annoys me that people hype DN as like super intellectual anime when it's like UGGHH would you say the same for like, Suits or White Collar or stuff like that!?

With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2012 20:11 GMT
#45858
You can do more but that also means you have less of an excuse for putting out horsecrap. Except they do, and people somehow forgive them for it. I don't apologize for putting anime/manga to the same standards as TV series, movies, and books regardless of language.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 29 2012 20:56 GMT
#45859
On August 30 2012 05:11 Southlight wrote:
You can do more but that also means you have less of an excuse for putting out horsecrap. Except they do, and people somehow forgive them for it. I don't apologize for putting anime/manga to the same standards as TV series, movies, and books regardless of language.

I feel like your overrating TV series and movies. They are also in general not too good. Just look at the top movies this year. Dark knight rises, Avengers, Moonrise Kindom, Brave. Even if those were anime we would still call the good not great.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 29 2012 20:58 GMT
#45860
On August 30 2012 05:07 Tabbris wrote:
With anime you can create a lot of fantastic situations and is way more open to creative ideas than what you can do with a regular Tv show. Making a anime "smart" isnt a writers concern I guess because there are many other ways to make a anime decent. Tv Dramas are different tho since their are a limited amount of things you can do so the ones that really stand out i.e Breaking bad The Wire ect are really smart and clever ^^.


You can take those movies and compare them to masterpieces like Infinite Stratos and Dragon Crisis and Tari Tari and, I'm sorry, I actually would take the movies.
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