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On August 29 2012 14:13 biology]major wrote:
I have only seen a few anime compared to the rest of tladt but it is still one of the best I have seen, atleast L vs Light. Just feels to me when people say DN is "hyped" they are just trying to be hipster I do not think that is true at all. I think Death Note had some very cool parts but compared to a lot of anime it's still mediocre. It's very overhyped like certain other shows and it gets pretty easy to see when you watch more and more. Just watch more and you'll likely share our opinion eventually.
Not that I'm saying it's forbidden to enjoy it or something, that'd be stupid.
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Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
That, essentially, is Death Note's popularity in a nutshell. It's an often-recommended entry anime. Fine. But it's also often rated highly by people who think anime=Dragonball/Pokemon/Sailor Moon/Tenchi Muyo and think anything with more plot than a bunch of prepubescent kids getting the hots on big-breasted thinly-clothed women is amazing. And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever.
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On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
That, essentially, is Death Note's popularity in a nutshell. It's an often-recommended entry anime. Fine. But it's also often rated highly by people who think anime=Dragonball/Pokemon/Sailor Moon/Tenchi Muyo and think anything with more plot than a bunch of prepubescent kids getting the hots on big-breasted thinly-clothed women is amazing. And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever.
I don't agree with that logic. Just because something is generic or not world-endingly deep (Love Hina, DN, etc), doesn't mean it can't be good. Love Hina was my first harem/romcom, and now that I've read more I realize it's pretty normal as far as these things go, but it's still good. Well executed, doesn't really drag out too bad (in a couple spots, sure), good wrap up. Death Note is the same. I thought it was so amazing compared to other crap I was reading, but going back now, while it doesn't strike me as completely amazing like it did before, the story and characters are still good, and the moral questions are still interesting.
I dunno, I get tired of the "it's bad because it's gateway" argument. Sorry if I came off as abrasive, it's late.
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Being a gateway anime is fine if the anime is actually good. Take Robotech or Gundam SEED for example. I'd say they are good gateway anime, and they are also better than 99% of all the anime all of you guys like.
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This has nothing to do with a bad because it's a gateway argument. I was arguing about the phenomenon that gateway anime always get inflated scores.
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Depends on the person, like all matters of personal opinion and taste, but I'd say there are plenty of gateway animes that people end up rating mostly fairly, without genuinely overhyping anything. But that's just my opinion.
Robotech will always have a place in my heart as the series whose game (one of them) was the first I ever rented. Couldn't figure out really how to beat it and it was really weird because some of the missions I just did by luck...but by god that was fun.
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My gateway anime was.... Sailor Moon
Now you can proceed to judge me.
Though it was probably one of the most common one with Saint Seiya with people born in early-mid 80s
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my gateway anime was fate stay night
still holds a dear place in my heart
anyway to the discussion, I don't think that it really matters that gateway anime get inflated scores. I remember when I watched death note, I thought that it was the best shit ever, too. It's really only now that I realize that there are better shows, but really, why does it matter? Usually it's just people who are proud of their hobby and want to show superiority to people just starting out and cringe a little when they drool over death note, but to me, that's a bit shameful.
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My first anime was space adventurer Cobra, second ever anime was Starzinger (called Spaceketeers in USA and Sci-Bots in the UK).
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My gateway anime's : Hellsing and Samurai Chamlpoo
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On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever.
No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads.
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On August 29 2012 21:25 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever. No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads.
I think Southlight meant that on the ladder of "anime that are actually well thought", Death Note is on the lower tier. In other words, it's on the ladder, just on a very low point on it.
I mean for a show like Death Note, which boasts about intelligent characters or great moral dilemmas, I usually don't get a good feeling about it. It's kind of like when people told me to watch Code Geass because of its intelligent protagonist.
And then I watched him and I realized he was the most retarded douchebag ever, so I just watched the show for brainless action instead.
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My gateway anime was School Days... go figure.
I actually loved that anime. No idea why so many people hate it lol.
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On August 29 2012 22:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:25 Tabbris wrote:On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever. No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads. I think Southlight meant that on the ladder of "anime that are actually well thought", Death Note is on the lower tier. In other words, it's on the ladder, just on a very low point on it. I mean for a show like Death Note, which boasts about intelligent characters or great moral dilemmas, I usually don't get a good feeling about it. It's kind of like when people told me to watch Code Geass because of its intelligent protagonist. And then I watched him and I realized he was the most retarded douchebag ever, so I just watched the show for brainless action instead.
He said Code Geass, kill him.
I lucked out because I saw Robotech first but I didnt really realise it was as good as it is till much later.
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On August 29 2012 22:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:25 Tabbris wrote:On August 29 2012 14:32 Southlight wrote:
Back when I was in middle school I used to think Love Hina was the most original, awesome shit.
Then I watched more anime.
And the cycle continues, as people who watch more anime realize that DN is pretty low on the ladder of "stuff that actually is a well well-thought, well executed story even in the realm of anime, while people who are watching anime for one of the first times gets DN recommended to them because it's a fairly effective starter anime with more plot than a sack of balls and hype it as the best shit ever. No Death note is nothing amazing or anything. Saying that its in the lower ladder of well executed story tho is pretty bullshit. 99% of anime is fucking shit. I wouldn't hesitate to call Death note great compared to most anime out there. Its no masterpeice or anything but it is very good. And being entry level is a plus. Entry level in my opinion means it doesnt have so much japanese culture and style in it that flys over a newer viewers heads. I think Southlight meant that on the ladder of "anime that are actually well thought", Death Note is on the lower tier. In other words, it's on the ladder, just on a very low point on it. I mean for a show like Death Note, which boasts about intelligent characters or great moral dilemmas, I usually don't get a good feeling about it. It's kind of like when people told me to watch Code Geass because of its intelligent protagonist. And then I watched him and I realized he was the most retarded douchebag ever, so I just watched the show for brainless action instead.
Indeed. DN is about a guy that outwits people by having a supernatural weapon with a stacked deck of bullshit tricks that are basically impossible to guess. Like the memory eradication and such. There was one super smart guy (L) and a bunch of idiots doing convoluted tricks revolving around more and more maphack BS. I've mentioned it before and I say again, it's clear the author (mangaka) was not smart, because the most effective tricks were hashed out in the first few chapters, when L figures out Kira's locale and such. After that it became a game of silly cat and mouse revolving around the DN having extra tricks and aces and such.
Code Geass falls under the same overhyped category when it comes to actual smarts. I mean, again, the guy's got maphack and cheats his way through situations using a supernatural phenomenon. There's no actual outwitting and such here.
I didn't enjoy the anime series myself (oh the blasphemy) but a better example of actual intellectual prowess on the battlefield is Legend of Galactic Heroes. It never got fully animated by things like the Silent Service also display true yomi genius, to the point where tricks used in the Silent Service have gotten replicated in other similar ship-battle series. There are some legit, underappreciated things on the ladder of "well-thought-out, well-executed anime (and manga)" that far surpass things like DN, which get relatively lower reviews because they're always critiqued by veterans who can nitpick the finer details.
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I've seen neither Death Note nor Code Geass. I probably should so I can understand what everybody's saying about them T_T I intentionally avoided them because a friend of mine talked about how bad they were in the grand scheme of things. Of course, I don't think that anime being entry-level is bad - it simply serves a different purpose. If common "gateway" shows are successful in bringing people in to watch more stuff, that's fine. I think people just need to learn to ignore any hype or praise about things in general unless they've personally understood that hype or praise. Not as if scores found on my-favorite-shows.net matter.
I can't remember what my gateway anime was. I watched K-ON when it first came out, but I didn't really watch anything until last summer when I spontaneously decided to watch anime. I think I started with Hidan no Aria, Haruhi, Requiem for the Phantom, Angel Beats, Madoka, and Shana. No idea what the order was.
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On August 30 2012 01:13 Zeke50100 wrote:
I've seen neither Death Note nor Code Geass. I probably should so I can understand what everybody's saying about them T_T I intentionally avoided them because a friend of mine talked about how bad they were in the grand scheme of things. Of course, I don't think that anime being entry-level is bad - it simply serves a different purpose. If common "gateway" shows are successful in bringing people in to watch more stuff, that's fine. I think people just need to learn to ignore any hype or praise about things in general unless they've personally understood that hype or praise. Not as if scores found on my-favorite-shows.net matter.
I can't remember what my gateway anime was. I watched K-ON when it first came out, but I didn't really watch anything until last summer when I spontaneously decided to watch anime. I think I started with Hidan no Aria, Haruhi, Requiem for the Phantom, Angel Beats, Madoka, and Shana. No idea what the order was.
I think Code Geass is worth watching. I thought the main protagonist was a retard, but otherwise it was fun and action packed. There's nothing wrong with that.
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On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the ladder? I became a tree.
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On August 30 2012 01:30 MichaelEU wrote:
On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the latter? I became a tree.
I don't know. I haven't watched enough anime.
*effective dodge*
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On August 30 2012 01:31 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 01:30 MichaelEU wrote:
On that note, what would you guys consider anime that are higher on the latter? I became a tree. I don't know. I haven't watched enough anime. *effective dodge*
Liar. You want to say The Legend of Korra, don't you?
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