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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 21 2012 17:37 GMT
#42701
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 21 2012 17:40 GMT
#42702
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


+ Show Spoiler +
As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


+ Show Spoiler +
Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
June 21 2012 17:49 GMT
#42703
On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.

And pretty much proven wrong by historical accounts, what's your point? Even the stuff about Okita Souji being a girl wasn't crushed as hard as that was.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:54:20
June 21 2012 17:49 GMT
#42704
On June 22 2012 02:40 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


+ Show Spoiler +
As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


+ Show Spoiler +
Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?


+ Show Spoiler +
Its absolutely a part of the myth. Lancelot is top knight before his affair thats the myth yes. For the disguise its like this.. all of the knights or most of them had like a special quality strong knight at arms or strong in x category, y categoy and so on. Lancelot was good at everything, (well he flopped piety obviously) since he has all these qualities being able to change forms was probably something he could do as a spirit, because well hes Lanceleot and hes badass and he could do everything the best knights who were good at what they did could.

Its just an idea, I agree it was probably just a convenience thing.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:52:17
June 21 2012 17:51 GMT
#42705
On June 22 2012 02:49 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.

And pretty much proven wrong by historical accounts, what's your point? Even the stuff about Okita Souji being a girl wasn't crushed as hard as that was.

Okita is Shinsengumi, there is no girls in the Shinsengumi. But yeah it's absurd and got crushed my ba for bringing it up.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 18:13:25
June 21 2012 17:55 GMT
#42706
On June 22 2012 02:49 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:40 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


+ Show Spoiler +
As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


+ Show Spoiler +
Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?


+ Show Spoiler +
Its absolutely a part of the myth. Lancelot is top knight before his affair thats the myth yes. For the disguise its like this.. all of the knights or most of them had like a special quality strong knight at arms or strong in x category, y categoy and so on. Lancelot was good at everything, (well he flopped piety obviously) since since he has all these qualities being able to change forms was probably something he could do as a spirit, because well hes Lanceleot and hes badass and he could do everything.

Its just an idea, I agree it was probably just a convenience thing.

+ Show Spoiler +
If you inferring that Lancelot could become another class other than Berserker, I guess he can spawn due to his skills. He could probably spawn more so as Saber or anything but I guess the main thing is just that he's mad at Arturia so he's Berserker.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 21 2012 17:56 GMT
#42707
On June 22 2012 02:55 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:49 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:40 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


+ Show Spoiler +
As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


+ Show Spoiler +
Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?


+ Show Spoiler +
Its absolutely a part of the myth. Lancelot is top knight before his affair thats the myth yes. For the disguise its like this.. all of the knights or most of them had like a special quality strong knight at arms or strong in x category, y categoy and so on. Lancelot was good at everything, (well he flopped piety obviously) since since he has all these qualities being able to change forms was probably something he could do as a spirit, because well hes Lanceleot and hes badass and he could do everything.

Its just an idea, I agree it was probably just a convenience thing.

If you inferring that Lancelot could become another class other than Berserker, I guess he can spawn due to his skills. He could probably spawn more so as Saber or anything but I guess the main thing is just that he's mad at Arturia so he's Berserker.


And in this post you barely capitalize.... im dissapointed blast.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:59:04
June 21 2012 17:58 GMT
#42708
On June 22 2012 02:55 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:49 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:40 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


+ Show Spoiler +
As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


+ Show Spoiler +
Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?


+ Show Spoiler +
Its absolutely a part of the myth. Lancelot is top knight before his affair thats the myth yes. For the disguise its like this.. all of the knights or most of them had like a special quality strong knight at arms or strong in x category, y categoy and so on. Lancelot was good at everything, (well he flopped piety obviously) since since he has all these qualities being able to change forms was probably something he could do as a spirit, because well hes Lanceleot and hes badass and he could do everything.

Its just an idea, I agree it was probably just a convenience thing.
+ Show Spoiler +

If you inferring that Lancelot could become another class other than Berserker, I guess he can spawn due to his skills. He could probably spawn more so as Saber or anything but I guess the main thing is just that he's mad at Arturia so he's Berserker.


Nice spoiler tag, jackass.
WreakHavoc
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
40 Posts
June 21 2012 17:59 GMT
#42709
On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.


+ Show Spoiler +
Currently on TLADT there is a theory that you're a raging homo, the theory is out there, just saiyan


Anyone have any shoujo series that are completed to recommend? Need a change of pace for something to read/watch.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 18:05:44
June 21 2012 18:05 GMT
#42710
On June 22 2012 02:55 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 02:49 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:40 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:19 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:28 Sentenal wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:09 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:51 Sentenal wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero Berserker Identity stuff

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Revelation scene was so good, brought a tear to my eye. Not sure howcome Lancelot is supposedly known for alot of deeds performed by another? That's how I understood their explanation of his (kinda lame) transformation Noble Phantasm. Anybody know where I can read up on my Lancelot lore, as it pertains to Fate/Zero?


500 post yay ~

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_(Fate/Zero)


Awesome link, but I still don't understand + Show Spoiler +
why does he have the transformation ability? The wiki doesn't mention any legend of Lancelot doing things under another name, as is hinted at in the anime?

"Until he revealed his identity and drew his sword, Lancelot was always engulfed in a black fog, that prevented enemy Masters from discerning his characteristics. That is his For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory (己が栄光の為でなくフォー・サムワンズ・グロウリー, ?) Noble Phantasm. Its true purpose, however, was originally deceiving others by allowing the Servant to take the form of other Heroic Spirits; however, due to the Mad Enhancement, it became only a simple disguise of his true identity. Even so, the Master can still force Berserker to take on others' appearances using Command Spells. "

Doesn't mention how he got For Someone's Glory: Not For One's Own Glory. Is it supposedly because he did all the work in service of Arturia? Or Guinevere?

I dunno, did Lancelot ever disguise himself? I know next to nothing about Arthurian Myth. With alot of this stuff, its just best to accept it for what it is. They made King Arthur a girl, so I think that frees them up to do practically anything they want with the legend lol


King Arthur will forever be a girl to me now...


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As far as Im aware of Arthurian lore and theres a number of different versions, He doesnt do anything of the sort. It may be to expound his many qualities as a knight because in those stories hes the kings champion, paragon of virtue etc etc, Fights challengers on his behalf, also in charge of kicking ass when people question the queens fidelity (the irony slaps you in the face pretty much.)

Up until basically they needed someone to be worthy of fulfulling the grail quest for which Lancelot didnt quite cut it as a character. But hes no.1 champion what to do ?

Lets make him the ultimate betrayer ! This is just a theory ofc, Based on some of the stories Ive read. Its really messy I went through a massive volume when I was a kid and then I find theres like more shit that different people have written. Its kinda like scripture in that whatevers canon makes it in cuz thats what the establishment whatever it is decides.


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Huh? Make him the ultimate betrayer? Are you saying that Lancelot's affair with Guinevere isn't part of the myth? Or are you just talking about the disguise thing?


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Its absolutely a part of the myth. Lancelot is top knight before his affair thats the myth yes. For the disguise its like this.. all of the knights or most of them had like a special quality strong knight at arms or strong in x category, y categoy and so on. Lancelot was good at everything, (well he flopped piety obviously) since since he has all these qualities being able to change forms was probably something he could do as a spirit, because well hes Lanceleot and hes badass and he could do everything.

Its just an idea, I agree it was probably just a convenience thing.

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If you inferring that Lancelot could become another class other than Berserker, I guess he can spawn due to his skills. He could probably spawn more so as Saber or anything but I guess the main thing is just that he's mad at Arturia so he's Berserker.



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No Im saying a reason they could have given him the disguise ability is because of his well rounded skillset as a knight if he can do everything other knights could do why cant he imitate other HC's. Am I explaining it wrong ? Its very loose Ill admit but thats as far as what I know takes me. Thats really only if your assuming they actually bothered to find out anything about lore outside of keywords Arthur Pendragon Lancelot Affair Grail
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
June 21 2012 18:49 GMT
#42711
On June 22 2012 02:59 WreakHavoc wrote:
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On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.


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Currently on TLADT there is a theory that you're a raging homo, the theory is out there, just saiyan


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That's a theory?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 21 2012 19:35 GMT
#42712
On June 22 2012 03:49 Zeke50100 wrote:
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On June 22 2012 02:59 WreakHavoc wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.


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Currently on TLADT there is a theory that you're a raging homo, the theory is out there, just saiyan


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That's a theory?

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Now was there such a theory? first time I heard of it.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
June 21 2012 20:46 GMT
#42713
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zenkichi was a fucking boss this chapter holy shit. kumagawa was also up there in the badassery scale
jaedong the man with the huge dong
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 21 2012 20:49 GMT
#42714
On June 22 2012 05:46 Owned Noob wrote:
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zenkichi was a fucking boss this chapter holy shit. kumagawa was also up there in the badassery scale

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That's sure one way to reject someone
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Dullahan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States248 Posts
June 21 2012 21:06 GMT
#42715
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
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On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.


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[image loading]

P.S. Uesugi route is pretty fun. Also her passive ability is ridiculously imba awesome, especially in tandem with Urza's Accurate Shots


Couldn't resist
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 21 2012 21:18 GMT
#42716
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Little wind is nice but....he's missing tiles -.-"
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
June 21 2012 21:22 GMT
#42717
He's a panda, he gives zero fucks. Don't question him.
#freeshauni
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
June 21 2012 21:29 GMT
#42718
On June 22 2012 02:59 WreakHavoc wrote:
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On June 22 2012 02:37 Blasterion wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:26 Ecael wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:23 Rebs wrote:
On June 22 2012 02:21 Ecael wrote:
I can't tell if you are being ironic about how the franchise uses Arthurian legends or just doesn't know anything about them.


Im saying if we give it the benefit of the doubt, thats probably why they gave him the ability. Otherwise it was probably just convenient.

If we really want to go into the plethora of Arthurian legends all the way up to stuff in modern times, then there are some stuff in it that could explain why. That said, I honestly don't think they did the research, so it was mostly just convenience slapped on by the way the character is portrayed in the series.

On June 22 2012 02:25 Blasterion wrote:
You know there was a theory that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a girl

To be fair that one is even more absurd than Fate's idea of Arthur being female.

Absurd it is, but the theory is out there.


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Currently on TLADT there is a theory that you're a raging homo, the theory is out there, just saiyan


Anyone have any shoujo series that are completed to recommend? Need a change of pace for something to read/watch.

Hey, I've heard of that theory.
Go read Kare kano
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#42719
for shoujo definitely Ashiteruze Baby.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 00:58:19
June 22 2012 00:52 GMT
#42720
Holy crap Gyo is hardcore as hell. Feel sorry for tadashi but I knew it was going to happen :/

Also that stupid bitch erika! lol. This show certainly doesnt hold back, and thats pretty awesome

Edit: oh it was only 1 episode ova, how disappointing :/
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