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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 19 2011 02:39 GMT
#33961
On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
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GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.

Elaborate stories and Developed characters, nah sometimes we run into stuff that lack those in VNs too. Sucre and Canvas 4 comes to mind
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
December 19 2011 03:15 GMT
#33962
On December 19 2011 10:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
+ Show Spoiler [troll rant] +
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.


Well, I mean....there's not a lot of anime this season that's worth talking about.....

No one really talks about Chihayafuru or Kimi to Boku. Ika Musume is just Ika Musume, and so is Working. Mirai Nikki kind of lost the steam of discussion after everyone was sick of waiting for episodes and just read the manga and there was no point being excited over the plot anymore. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few still watching Tamayura~hitotose....even though I probably shouldn't watch it anymore.

I might also be one of the few people here watching Phi Brain this season....and I don't know why I'm watching that either.

There aren't THAT many people talking about Guilty Crown as most people either regard as just decent without that many surprises or as something that just didn't live up to the hype.

Horizon is confusing for some people and not confusing for others....and the people who aren't confused have either read the light novels or no longer post enough around ADT (wala) to really start a discussion about it.

So what you have left is Ben-to....which people only talk about because of its aggressively fan service style that gets everyone all hot and turned on by the girls.

I mean, you could always talk about recommendations like we did a page ago about animes to give to someone...but those are just spur of the moments followed by School Days followed by people who hate the School Days recommendations followed by Blasty VN pics.

So I guess what I'm trying to say.....

Is that the VN discussions are all blasty's fault.


I think you're exactly spot on haha.

I dont bother to post about Ika Musume, cause not much to say other than thats its awesome. GC talk isnt that great, I mean GC 10 kinda just left me lost and confused, again I felt that they just decided to switch to high gear on the plot, and I wasnt expecting it. Chihayafuru, I post what I feel about that anime, I think thats the only anime I ever put effort into about my posts. Ben-to is just well, you couldnt have said it better urself, it just gets me all hot and bothered.

Recommendations > School Days > School Days hate > Blasty VN pics. Lol, couldnt agree more.

Im mostly looking forward to the Amagami discussions when Winter Season starts, also Nisemonogatari as well.

PS: Thanks for the birthday wishes lol, even though my b-day isnt till tomorrow (I guess TL is on EU time). Still I appreciate it, you guys are too kind. <3
Skol
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
December 19 2011 03:17 GMT
#33963
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 03:17:51
December 19 2011 03:17 GMT
#33964
On December 19 2011 12:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 10:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
+ Show Spoiler [troll rant] +
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.


Well, I mean....there's not a lot of anime this season that's worth talking about.....

No one really talks about Chihayafuru or Kimi to Boku. Ika Musume is just Ika Musume, and so is Working. Mirai Nikki kind of lost the steam of discussion after everyone was sick of waiting for episodes and just read the manga and there was no point being excited over the plot anymore. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few still watching Tamayura~hitotose....even though I probably shouldn't watch it anymore.

I might also be one of the few people here watching Phi Brain this season....and I don't know why I'm watching that either.

There aren't THAT many people talking about Guilty Crown as most people either regard as just decent without that many surprises or as something that just didn't live up to the hype.

Horizon is confusing for some people and not confusing for others....and the people who aren't confused have either read the light novels or no longer post enough around ADT (wala) to really start a discussion about it.

So what you have left is Ben-to....which people only talk about because of its aggressively fan service style that gets everyone all hot and turned on by the girls.

I mean, you could always talk about recommendations like we did a page ago about animes to give to someone...but those are just spur of the moments followed by School Days followed by people who hate the School Days recommendations followed by Blasty VN pics.

So I guess what I'm trying to say.....

Is that the VN discussions are all blasty's fault.


I think you're exactly spot on haha.

I dont bother to post about Ika Musume, cause not much to say other than thats its awesome. GC talk isnt that great, I mean GC 10 kinda just left me lost and confused, again I felt that they just decided to switch to high gear on the plot, and I wasnt expecting it. Chihayafuru, I post what I feel about that anime, I think thats the only anime I ever put effort into about my posts. Ben-to is just well, you couldnt have said it better urself, it just gets me all hot and bothered.

Recommendations > School Days > School Days hate > Blasty VN pics. Lol, couldnt agree more.

Im mostly looking forward to the Amagami discussions when Winter Season starts, also Nisemonogatari as well.

PS: Thanks for the birthday wishes lol, even though my b-day isnt till tomorrow (I guess TL is on EU time). Still I appreciate it, you guys are too kind. <3


We actually run on Korean time.

I'm pretty excited for Nisemonogatari too.

On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.


LOL. That too.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 03:57:00
December 19 2011 03:18 GMT
#33965
On December 19 2011 12:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 10:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
+ Show Spoiler [troll rant] +
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.


Well, I mean....there's not a lot of anime this season that's worth talking about.....

No one really talks about Chihayafuru or Kimi to Boku. Ika Musume is just Ika Musume, and so is Working. Mirai Nikki kind of lost the steam of discussion after everyone was sick of waiting for episodes and just read the manga and there was no point being excited over the plot anymore. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few still watching Tamayura~hitotose....even though I probably shouldn't watch it anymore.

I might also be one of the few people here watching Phi Brain this season....and I don't know why I'm watching that either.

There aren't THAT many people talking about Guilty Crown as most people either regard as just decent without that many surprises or as something that just didn't live up to the hype.

Horizon is confusing for some people and not confusing for others....and the people who aren't confused have either read the light novels or no longer post enough around ADT (wala) to really start a discussion about it.

So what you have left is Ben-to....which people only talk about because of its aggressively fan service style that gets everyone all hot and turned on by the girls.

I mean, you could always talk about recommendations like we did a page ago about animes to give to someone...but those are just spur of the moments followed by School Days followed by people who hate the School Days recommendations followed by Blasty VN pics.

So I guess what I'm trying to say.....

Is that the VN discussions are all blasty's fault.


I think you're exactly spot on haha.

I dont bother to post about Ika Musume, cause not much to say other than thats its awesome. GC talk isnt that great, I mean GC 10 kinda just left me lost and confused, again I felt that they just decided to switch to high gear on the plot, and I wasnt expecting it. Chihayafuru, I post what I feel about that anime, I think thats the only anime I ever put effort into about my posts. Ben-to is just well, you couldnt have said it better urself, it just gets me all hot and bothered.

Recommendations > School Days > School Days hate > Blasty VN pics. Lol, couldnt agree more.

Im mostly looking forward to the Amagami discussions when Winter Season starts, also Nisemonogatari as well.

PS: Thanks for the birthday wishes lol, even though my b-day isnt till tomorrow (I guess TL is on EU time). Still I appreciate it, you guys are too kind. <3

TL runs on KST or rather Korean Standard Time

oh Happy Birthday here this is for you
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FINAL ATTACK!!!!
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wtf? Corona died? wtf? I thought I killed all the bad guys so this doesn't happen.
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Bad End time travel one more time.


Loli Tank for ferrose
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Tsundere Loli Tank for Kaze
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[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 19 2011 03:55 GMT
#33966
On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.

Guess it's about time I start hanging out on IRC...maybe next year since I'll be gone for a week for Christmas anyway. On the topic of VNs, would Little Busters make a good first VN? And how much time are we talking about? I know they're pretty huge time sinks but what's a good estimate of how long the average VN takes?

happy birthday Emnjay808!
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 19 2011 03:58 GMT
#33967
On December 19 2011 12:55 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.

Guess it's about time I start hanging out on IRC...maybe next year since I'll be gone for a week for Christmas anyway. On the topic of VNs, would Little Busters make a good first VN? And how much time are we talking about? I know they're pretty huge time sinks but what's a good estimate of how long the average VN takes?

happy birthday Emnjay808!

A bit shorter than the full length of Clannad, If we talk about EX then a bit longer than the full length of Clannad
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
December 19 2011 04:00 GMT
#33968
The time spent on a VN depends entirely on the length of said VN, lol. Just look each individual VN up on vndb if you want to see an estimated reading time.
Liquipedia
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 19 2011 04:04 GMT
#33969
On December 19 2011 12:55 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.

Guess it's about time I start hanging out on IRC...maybe next year since I'll be gone for a week for Christmas anyway. On the topic of VNs, would Little Busters make a good first VN? And how much time are we talking about? I know they're pretty huge time sinks but what's a good estimate of how long the average VN takes?

happy birthday Emnjay808!


I think Little Busters could make a good first VN. Like it's probably a good idea to not do Clannad if you've already watched Clannad, if only because you'll end up wasting a lot of time seeing a lot of the same scenes from the anime over and over again. I mean ultimately there are a few times where it's worth it....but I think LB can make a good first try.

Uhhh.....Fate Stay/Night and Tsukihime are often recommendations for people starting out...at least that's what people told me to read....
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 04:24:37
December 19 2011 04:05 GMT
#33970
YEAHHHH THE Cooking with Apron CG! I don't think there is a single VN without it!
here's Homura Akane cooking
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of course she made....
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Mabo Tofu
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Corona Cooking
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Muriel CGs
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Swimming Pool
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COMBO BREAKAH!!!!


WTF??!?!?!?
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oh right we went back in time didn't we, so she's not dead yet.
EXCEPT THIS TIME SHE'S GONNA KILL US ALL GAHHHHHHHHH

+ Show Spoiler +
DAMMIT SHION!!!!
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T.T DON'T BE A HERO SHION!!!
!
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
December 19 2011 04:25 GMT
#33971
On December 19 2011 13:04 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 12:55 KazeHydra wrote:
On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.

Guess it's about time I start hanging out on IRC...maybe next year since I'll be gone for a week for Christmas anyway. On the topic of VNs, would Little Busters make a good first VN? And how much time are we talking about? I know they're pretty huge time sinks but what's a good estimate of how long the average VN takes?

happy birthday Emnjay808!


I think Little Busters could make a good first VN. Like it's probably a good idea to not do Clannad if you've already watched Clannad, if only because you'll end up wasting a lot of time seeing a lot of the same scenes from the anime over and over again. I mean ultimately there are a few times where it's worth it....but I think LB can make a good first try.

Uhhh.....Fate Stay/Night and Tsukihime are often recommendations for people starting out...at least that's what people told me to read....


It depends on your tastes really. I was thinking of writing a "my life of VNs" blog as like an intro for people who just think of them as weird porn, but yeah.

For instance, Little Busters is absolutely legendary amongst people who've read VNs. But it's legendary because of the way it ties together in the end. The five girls' routes that you have to clear up before you can unlock the true story are, in my opinion, below average at best. In that sense I could sell it to someone based on how it'll leave them absolutely amazed at the end, but we're also looking at 10-20 hours that would result in them tearing their hair out at how stupid it is.

If you look mind=empty stuff (like, hmm, Bento) then some of the older Navel games are a good entry. Shuffle, for instance, is a pretty prototypical romcom harem.

If you want the darker, more serious sides of things Kara no Shoujo got released in English a few months back, but beware because KnS is like a full-blown murder mystery novel.

In the end I think your options are limited because of what's actually in English. Planetarian (very short, like 2-3 hours) would be my first recommendation to get a gist of how these things are, followed by Ever 17 (~20 hours). Those two are my go-to recommendations for English-translated VNs, as they're both very solid from start to finish.

As for time, I'd say the average reading length of a VN is approximately 15-20 hours. Key's stuff (Clannad, Little Busters, etc.) are notorious for being longer. Their most recent work, Rewrite, took me approximately 40-50.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 19 2011 04:37 GMT
#33972
On December 19 2011 13:25 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 13:04 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On December 19 2011 12:55 KazeHydra wrote:
On December 19 2011 12:17 Southlight wrote:
I'd say the real factor for the waning of discussions is IRC to be honest. Most of us just say our thoughts as we watch something on IRC.

Guess it's about time I start hanging out on IRC...maybe next year since I'll be gone for a week for Christmas anyway. On the topic of VNs, would Little Busters make a good first VN? And how much time are we talking about? I know they're pretty huge time sinks but what's a good estimate of how long the average VN takes?

happy birthday Emnjay808!


I think Little Busters could make a good first VN. Like it's probably a good idea to not do Clannad if you've already watched Clannad, if only because you'll end up wasting a lot of time seeing a lot of the same scenes from the anime over and over again. I mean ultimately there are a few times where it's worth it....but I think LB can make a good first try.

Uhhh.....Fate Stay/Night and Tsukihime are often recommendations for people starting out...at least that's what people told me to read....


It depends on your tastes really. I was thinking of writing a "my life of VNs" blog as like an intro for people who just think of them as weird porn, but yeah.

For instance, Little Busters is absolutely legendary amongst people who've read VNs. But it's legendary because of the way it ties together in the end. The five girls' routes that you have to clear up before you can unlock the true story are, in my opinion, below average at best. In that sense I could sell it to someone based on how it'll leave them absolutely amazed at the end, but we're also looking at 10-20 hours that would result in them tearing their hair out at how stupid it is.

If you look mind=empty stuff (like, hmm, Bento) then some of the older Navel games are a good entry. Shuffle, for instance, is a pretty prototypical romcom harem.

If you want the darker, more serious sides of things Kara no Shoujo got released in English a few months back, but beware because KnS is like a full-blown murder mystery novel.

In the end I think your options are limited because of what's actually in English. Planetarian (very short, like 2-3 hours) would be my first recommendation to get a gist of how these things are, followed by Ever 17 (~20 hours). Those two are my go-to recommendations for English-translated VNs, as they're both very solid from start to finish.

As for time, I'd say the average reading length of a VN is approximately 15-20 hours. Key's stuff (Clannad, Little Busters, etc.) are notorious for being longer. Their most recent work, Rewrite, took me approximately 40-50.

Narcissu is standard 3 hours fully voiced when you just read the text you can do it in a hour
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 19 2011 04:47 GMT
#33973
My very first VN was Sharin no Kuni. I actually read it because of that one funny pic of Sachi proposing that they grind all night or something. I came in with no expectations and came away very impressed.

Whatever you pick for your first VN, have fun with it! I tend to enjoy them more than anime, and they generally make me feel more invested and immersed in the story.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
December 19 2011 04:56 GMT
#33974
On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
+ Show Spoiler [troll rant] +
GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.


To be honest, I'm loving all of these VN pics and commentary. I'm not particularly annoyed by the VN discussion.
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
evantrees
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada497 Posts
December 19 2011 05:06 GMT
#33975
my first was hanachirasu somthing about the description I liked. I'm debating giving planetarium or fate stay/nights a try.
from my post on it. Main character was kind of annoying, probably related to this.
Akane such a narcissistic bastard.

also finished hachirasu a bit ago , perhaps not the best vn to start with given the lack of choice, ah well, the endings roughly maybe not spoiler worthy.
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do nothing see main ending, walk into sunset, couple ways to rush to your death.


more random nonsense I found amusing, while reading it. I'm sure there's more didn't end up saving.
random quotes and thoughts on it.
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unwilling to recognize as a member of the same sex

while others still were searching for a place to die.

Igarasu fear of kettles,
main "villian" is scared of kettles.

"I'm not gloomy" Igarasu mutters dejectedly to himself once he's all alone.

an old acquantance is there.

too much music not enough rain

Akane grins what kind of solicitor takes no for an answer.

done I'll pay you a hundred ten if you let me kill you.

its not a god damn trampoline

Akane did that for a month wtf, doesn't seen like something he would do. (might just been mess up in translation?, where he was at start of the tale)

Akane such a narcissistic bastard.

he has essentially surrendered go-no-sen to a pistol.

and so the mad blacksmith, mujiwara itsurin Misuaki ., passed out of Tokyo and out of this tale.

and the ending, feels very stereotypical samurai ending sort of, also everybody dies pretty much.

any vn with a somewhat similar setting.

and happy birthday Emnjay808.
rejection and peace tiramisu. I think that went well.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 19 2011 05:14 GMT
#33976
Corona
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This time loop thing is killing me....I don't get it how do they time travel in the first place? I know Tokino has time related powers but... It's Tokou that's been doing the time travel right?
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 19 2011 05:17 GMT
#33977
My first VN was Fate/Stay Night, and then a while later Tsukihime, then Ever17. Honestly I haven't read alot of VNs at all. On top of those 3, I've read MuvLuv (so thats like 3 in all), first 3 chapters of Umineko, and Sharin. IDK if Daibanchou counts as a VN but I've beaten it too. But on the plus side, even though I haven't read alot, I've enjoyed most of what I did read.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 19 2011 05:22 GMT
#33978
On December 19 2011 14:17 Sentenal wrote:
My first VN was Fate/Stay Night, and then a while later Tsukihime, then Ever17. Honestly I haven't read alot of VNs at all. On top of those 3, I've read MuvLuv (so thats like 3 in all), first 3 chapters of Umineko, and Sharin. IDK if Daibanchou counts as a VN but I've beaten it too. But on the plus side, even though I haven't read alot, I've enjoyed most of what I did read.

Muv Luv was an awesome VN the last one I mean
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 19 2011 05:37 GMT
#33979
On December 19 2011 13:56 NationInArms wrote:
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On December 19 2011 10:33 Monokeros wrote:
You little brats this is ADT not VNDT
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GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ELABORATE STORIES AND DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO APPRECIATE THANKS TO THE LACK OF OBVIOUS CAPITALISM AND JUMPING OF SHARKS.


so many VN so much time yeaaaa winter sessions best sessions.


To be honest, I'm loving all of these VN pics and commentary. I'm not particularly annoyed by the VN discussion.

Talking about VNs is fine, I don't think anyone really minds talking about them. Regardless, it doesn't bother me anymore since I'm now making use of a really useful TL plugin thing.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
December 19 2011 06:47 GMT
#33980
Well, just finished zerging down the final boss in Corona, lol the design is pretty retarded. OP boss that can't be cheesed but we have infinite time to zerg with? zz
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