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ZigguratOfUr
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On December 09 2014 16:53 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 16:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 15:18 Forikorder wrote:Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either. hes only moved things without cutting it when its an inaminate object though and in one complete piece id say thats its limitation since otherwise he would have just lifted vergo and laughed You're completely wrong. He can move people which are definitely not inanimate. When he saved Sanji, he swapped himself with Doflamingo. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/724/8 yes i get he can swap people but he cant just grab someone and have them fly through the air he can teleport people but he cant have them levitate like he does the battlecruiser when the G5 arrive on punk hazard
Well against Vergo there were other complications, but sure, we haven't seen him use tact on an uncut animate object. We haven't seen him use tact often either, so I don't agree with your certainty that he can't lift people, but w/e.
I'm more interested in knowing whether the Ope Ope fruit's eternal youth operation has been used before, and on whom. I thought about Sugar, but the dates just don't work out.
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On December 09 2014 17:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 16:53 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 16:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 15:18 Forikorder wrote:Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either. hes only moved things without cutting it when its an inaminate object though and in one complete piece id say thats its limitation since otherwise he would have just lifted vergo and laughed You're completely wrong. He can move people which are definitely not inanimate. When he saved Sanji, he swapped himself with Doflamingo. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/724/8 yes i get he can swap people but he cant just grab someone and have them fly through the air he can teleport people but he cant have them levitate like he does the battlecruiser when the G5 arrive on punk hazard Well against Vergo there were other complications, but sure, we haven't seen him use tact on an uncut animate object. We haven't seen him use tact often either, so I don't agree with your certainty that he can't lift people, but w/e. I'm more interested in knowing whether the Ope Ope fruit's eternal youth operation has been used before, and on whom. I thought about Sugar, but the dates just don't work out.
we didnt see Sugar in the flashbacks at all so Sugar could be someone who has had the operation done on her and came to dofla afterwards because there wants matched up
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On December 09 2014 17:24 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 17:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 16:53 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 16:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 15:18 Forikorder wrote:Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either. hes only moved things without cutting it when its an inaminate object though and in one complete piece id say thats its limitation since otherwise he would have just lifted vergo and laughed You're completely wrong. He can move people which are definitely not inanimate. When he saved Sanji, he swapped himself with Doflamingo. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/724/8 yes i get he can swap people but he cant just grab someone and have them fly through the air he can teleport people but he cant have them levitate like he does the battlecruiser when the G5 arrive on punk hazard Well against Vergo there were other complications, but sure, we haven't seen him use tact on an uncut animate object. We haven't seen him use tact often either, so I don't agree with your certainty that he can't lift people, but w/e. I'm more interested in knowing whether the Ope Ope fruit's eternal youth operation has been used before, and on whom. I thought about Sugar, but the dates just don't work out. we didnt see Sugar in the flashbacks at all so Sugar could be someone who has had the operation done on her and came to dofla afterwards because there wants matched up
That's because she's a child, dear fork. She didn't exist during the flashbacks, lol. If she did she would be the same age as law and baby 5.
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Her body is a child, her mind isn't.
She apparently stopped aging after eating her fruit
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More of the usual I see^^
If I'm not completely wrong, the original point was if Law could have cut his own arm off while being completely locked down by Doflamingo.
Since his fruit isn't Buggy's fruit, I think Law cannot do that.
Also for the record, I'm pretty sure "shambles" is a separate ability, which only swaps things as a whole inside Law's room. Making things float and moving them in the room is a different ability.
I can actually only remember one time he excessively used that ability, when he wrecked the G5 marine ship on Punk Hazard.
About Sugar, didn't Law tell us that the hobi-hobi-fruit stops her from aging and that she is as old and smart as an adult despite looking like a kid?
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On December 09 2014 18:08 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 17:24 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 17:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 16:53 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 16:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 09 2014 15:18 Forikorder wrote:Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either. hes only moved things without cutting it when its an inaminate object though and in one complete piece id say thats its limitation since otherwise he would have just lifted vergo and laughed You're completely wrong. He can move people which are definitely not inanimate. When he saved Sanji, he swapped himself with Doflamingo. http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/724/8 yes i get he can swap people but he cant just grab someone and have them fly through the air he can teleport people but he cant have them levitate like he does the battlecruiser when the G5 arrive on punk hazard Well against Vergo there were other complications, but sure, we haven't seen him use tact on an uncut animate object. We haven't seen him use tact often either, so I don't agree with your certainty that he can't lift people, but w/e. I'm more interested in knowing whether the Ope Ope fruit's eternal youth operation has been used before, and on whom. I thought about Sugar, but the dates just don't work out. we didnt see Sugar in the flashbacks at all so Sugar could be someone who has had the operation done on her and came to dofla afterwards because there wants matched up That's because she's a child, dear fork. She didn't exist during the flashbacks, lol. If she did she would be the same age as law and baby 5.
it was said the fruit turned her into a kid, or she could have stopped aging while a kid and actually be 100 years old
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0cnwAlX.jpg)
Ages of Donquixote Pirates
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Oda said Sugar's real age is like 24 or something. Don't remember the exact age, but if people care enough, I'll go try to dig up the source tomorrow.
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On December 10 2014 00:43 KazeHydra wrote:
Oda said Sugar's real age is like 24 or something. Don't remember the exact age, but if people care enough, I'll go try to dig up the source tomorrow.
Oda said she's 22 on volume 75 afaik. He also drew Sugar's picture as 22 yo girl.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JpQAXBf.jpg)
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Man, that waist. Sugar is so adorbs though :3.
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ZigguratOfUr
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That's what I meant by the dates not matching up. Since Sugar is 22, but looks 10, she stopped ageing 12 years ago, and Law was already in possession of the fruit at that point.
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On December 10 2014 00:38 Mensol wrote:Ages of Donquixote Pirates
Buffalo's age is surprising. He's shown as a kid with Baby 5 in the flashback, but he's actually 6 years older than her. More surprising is that Gladius is only 33. In the flashback he is clearly one of the adults, but turns out he's only 3 years above buffalo.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On December 10 2014 03:34 Bagration wrote:Buffalo's age is surprising. He's shown as a kid with Baby 5 in the flashback, but he's actually 6 years older than her. More surprising is that Gladius is only 33. In the flashback he is clearly one of the adults, but turns out he's only 3 years above buffalo.
The difference between being 14 and 17 is pretty significant. I guess it also explains why Buffalo grew so much; he hit his growth spurt.
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On December 10 2014 03:34 Bagration wrote:Buffalo's age is surprising. He's shown as a kid with Baby 5 in the flashback, but he's actually 6 years older than her. More surprising is that Gladius is only 33. In the flashback he is clearly one of the adults, but turns out he's only 3 years above buffalo.
Hmm.
I know Oda tends to think all of that stuff through but I'm thinking this one was a little bit of an 'oops.'
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On December 10 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 03:34 Bagration wrote:On December 10 2014 00:38 Mensol wrote:Ages of Donquixote Pirates Buffalo's age is surprising. He's shown as a kid with Baby 5 in the flashback, but he's actually 6 years older than her. More surprising is that Gladius is only 33. In the flashback he is clearly one of the adults, but turns out he's only 3 years above buffalo. Hmm. I know Oda tends to think all of that stuff through but I'm thinking this one was a little bit of an 'oops.'
Yeah I feel the same way Buffalo and Baby 5 seemed a lot closer in age in the flashback. Did he show those ages before or after the flashback?
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On December 10 2014 03:34 Bagration wrote:Buffalo's age is surprising. He's shown as a kid with Baby 5 in the flashback, but he's actually 6 years older than her. More surprising is that Gladius is only 33. In the flashback he is clearly one of the adults, but turns out he's only 3 years above buffalo.
Buffalo's age is surprising, but not Gladius' imo. The flashback was what, 15 years prior to the present? That would put Gladius at 18 back then, just 1 year younger than Zoro and Sanji pre-timeskip.
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On December 09 2014 14:08 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 14:03 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 13:56 Sentenal wrote:
Law doesn't have to cut something to use his ability. He's used objects like flower pots and logs to teleport people around, without cutting any of them. Or when Law used Shambles to swap the personalities of the Straw Hats back at Punk Hazard. He levitated battleships without cutting said battleships. etc etc.
Further examples, when he saved Sanji from Doflamingo, he grabbed a log, and swapped it with Sanji. And later when Luffy and Law were getting away from Diamante, used shambles to swap himself/Luffy with a far away barrel. cutting and moving something is a different ability from swapping things Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either.
The 4 moves we've seen him use I believe are (counting on the manga panda translations of course):
Shambles which he uses to have 2 things switch places.
Mes he uses this to take out smokers heart. It might also do other stuff but we haven't seen him use it much.
Tact which he used to levitate the battleship.
Counter Shock which I'm assuming is some kind of energy burst probably using the energy from the room circle and making that energy into a shock.
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On December 10 2014 12:44 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 14:08 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2014 14:03 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2014 13:56 Sentenal wrote:
Law doesn't have to cut something to use his ability. He's used objects like flower pots and logs to teleport people around, without cutting any of them. Or when Law used Shambles to swap the personalities of the Straw Hats back at Punk Hazard. He levitated battleships without cutting said battleships. etc etc.
Further examples, when he saved Sanji from Doflamingo, he grabbed a log, and swapped it with Sanji. And later when Luffy and Law were getting away from Diamante, used shambles to swap himself/Luffy with a far away barrel. cutting and moving something is a different ability from swapping things Not necessarily true. He can move things with different abilities, but he has used Shambles to both move things around his Room and Swap them. And he doesn't need to cut something to do either, which is the point. The ability he used to levitate things was not called shambles, I forget what that was called, but he didn't have to cut things to use that either. The 4 moves we've seen him use I believe are (counting on the manga panda translations of course): Shambles which he uses to have 2 things switch places. Mes he uses this to take out smokers heart. It might also do other stuff but we haven't seen him use it much. Tact which he used to levitate the battleship. Counter Shock which I'm assuming is some kind of energy burst probably using the energy from the room circle and making that energy into a shock.
he also has a scan ability that he used to find and then steal the den den mushi, and a piercing-shot type ability called injection
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On December 10 2014 00:38 Mensol wrote:Ages of Donquixote Pirates
Best thing i could find, transcript of SBS after chapter 750
http://orojackson.com/threads/one-piece-volume-75.4287/
It mentions Sugar as 22 year old, with all other ages being identical to quoted picture.
But hey, I found something.
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