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On September 11 2014 13:03 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:40 terranghost wrote:
id bet my lifesavings that corazon is the one crying
i wouldn't, from what doflamingo said it would seem that their father is sick of the noble life and wanted to become normal. their mother died because she was snobbish and couldn't stand the poor life. corazon would follow his father's steps whereas doflamingo would side by his mother now that it's revealed that doflamingo wants to wage war on mariejois, the weapon arms smuggling makes sense.
We're talking about the same kid here, right? You know, the one who wanted slaves and to shoot commoners... the one who beheaded his father and brought it with him back to Mariejois? Are you sure he's the one crying on the bed?
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I'm glad the setup is finally over and the action is really heating up. It didn't look like Luffy used conqueror's haki in his Red Hawk attack, so he still has another level he can go to. However, Law seems almost like fodder against DD and may just play a support role (which his fruit is great for).
Fuji seems interesting, and I like what he's doing now. It seems to fit right and by letting Luffy do the work, he can clear out a corrupt shichibukai without having to go against his orders. I still don't get why he was going after Luffy earlier when Sabo stopped him. I also wonder if Sabo will step in against DD. They have a bit of opposite personalities going for them with Sabo being a noble who renounced it due to the corruption and DD wanting to be a part of the corruption, but being denied by his father.
The most interesting stuff centers around DD. It's interesting that he just seems like a bad guy through and through. Up till now, he had seemed like he might end up being a tragic villain who hated the injustice of the world and wanted to see it all burn. But now we see that he just wanted that injustice to favor him and because it did not, he wants to see the whole world burn... a true villain. Glad we also finally got confirmation on that reference to Joker from Batman.
It does make his crew and their motivations much harder to figure out. If they aren't former slaves that he saved, why are they so in love with a guy who wants to see the world burn? Are they all a group of psychopaths too? What has he done for them that they would sacrifice their own lives at his command like Monet? That's an odd quirk that I can't quite figure out. Maybe as retribution for rejecting him, he freed some slaves from the tenryubito and trained them up?
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On September 11 2014 13:08 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 13:03 saltywet wrote:On September 11 2014 03:40 terranghost wrote:
id bet my lifesavings that corazon is the one crying
i wouldn't, from what doflamingo said it would seem that their father is sick of the noble life and wanted to become normal. their mother died because she was snobbish and couldn't stand the poor life. corazon would follow his father's steps whereas doflamingo would side by his mother now that it's revealed that doflamingo wants to wage war on mariejois, the weapon arms smuggling makes sense. We're talking about the same kid here, right? You know, the one who wanted slaves and to shoot commoners... the one who beheaded his father and brought it with him back to Mariejois? Are you sure he's the one crying on the bed?
I have to agree with saltywet on this one. Doflamingo is set on revenge because of what happened to his mom so it makes sense for him to be the one crying while Croazon sids with his dad. What makes you think that a spoiled bratty kid who doesn't know any better wouldn't cry when he lost his mother?
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On September 11 2014 13:53 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 13:08 Hyperbola wrote:On September 11 2014 13:03 saltywet wrote:On September 11 2014 03:40 terranghost wrote:
id bet my lifesavings that corazon is the one crying
i wouldn't, from what doflamingo said it would seem that their father is sick of the noble life and wanted to become normal. their mother died because she was snobbish and couldn't stand the poor life. corazon would follow his father's steps whereas doflamingo would side by his mother now that it's revealed that doflamingo wants to wage war on mariejois, the weapon arms smuggling makes sense. We're talking about the same kid here, right? You know, the one who wanted slaves and to shoot commoners... the one who beheaded his father and brought it with him back to Mariejois? Are you sure he's the one crying on the bed? I have to agree with saltywet on this one. Doflamingo is set on revenge because of what happened to his mom so it makes sense for him to be the one crying while Croazon sids with his dad. What makes you think that a spoiled bratty kid who doesn't know any better wouldn't cry when he lost his mother?
hes after revenge after waht happened to him, hes pissed the Tenryuubito wouldnt let him back in
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There were several reasons why Doflamingo took 'revenge' upon his father, it wasn't ONLY because his mother died. Additionally, the reason he took revenge on his father is not the same reason he wants to take revenge on the Tenryuubito. He wants revenge on them because they wouldn't take him back, after he murdered his father. Two separate revenges, with two separate, although connected, reasons.
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Seems like his father wasn't your typical douche Tenryuubito who thought everyone who isn't a noble is trash.
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On September 11 2014 04:54 Zeo1990 wrote:
IF anything this makes Doflamingo kind of a dark mirror to Sabo. Just with the roles flipped.
Sabo is Doflamingo's father lol !
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On September 11 2014 15:42 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 04:54 Zeo1990 wrote:
IF anything this makes Doflamingo kind of a dark mirror to Sabo. Just with the roles flipped. Sabo is Doflamingo's father lol !
oh my .. that means luffy is mingo's uncle
jesus luffy is about to beat up his nephew 
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On September 11 2014 11:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think it's actually less interesting in terms of DD's character development that he's the typical brat because that's just 1-dimensional evil then. The interesting part is that technically he shares goals with the Revolutionary Army (and to a lesser extent, Luffy who inadvertently fights injustice wherever he goes). DD wants to see the world burn, the revolutionaries want to see it reborn
truly joker then
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On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
It didn't look like Luffy used conqueror's haki in his Red Hawk attack, so he still has another level he can go to.
You do know what Conqueror's Haki is right? It overrides the will of much weaker people. For combat skill it's limited to stunning masses of fodder only. It's more of a symbolic talent that represents the person being born a potential king/queen with the ability to rule others.
On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
I still don't get why he was going after Luffy earlier when Sabo stopped him.
Because he wanted to fool everyone including paranoid CP agents that his primary target was Luffy. Since Oda managed to fool the readers , chances are he fooled everyone else as well. There's no point doing things by half measures which is indicative of his personality so far.
On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
It does make his crew and their motivations much harder to figure out. If they aren't former slaves that he saved, why are they so in love with a guy who wants to see the world burn? Are they all a group of psychopaths too?
For numerous reasons. He has displayed loyalty to those he sees worthy (core members) so far, he most likely gifts them with any luxury that money can buy. Being under him means they have a protection of a shibukai that makes their actions immmune from prosecution. There are probably those under him who hate the world leaders as much and sees him having the greatest chance of succeeding.(Which is probably right. If Luffy didn't get in the way, I'm nearly certain DD would have enacted his revenge plan)
DD arming Kaido with the devilfruit is just one string we are aware of in his plan to take down the world government. Unlike others who think DD is blackmailed/fearful of Kaido, I think DD is afraid of losing his probably his biggest unknowing pawn to take down WG. Kaido with an army is probably the only thing that can take down WG in a straight out fight currently. It would go exactly like against WB except DD would have pawns on both sides to ensure both sides utterly destroy each other while he goes off to destroy the world nobles. Shanks only seems to care about his friends and not care about politics, Charlotte only cares about food. Blackbeard is an unknown entity and Kaido would certainly mess up his plans since Kaido presumably wants to rule the world. Out of the previous 4 emperors Kaido would have been the easiest to manipulate and the one that would directly counter his plans. DD isn't some psychopathic loonie that wants to see the world burn. He's shown to be highly intelligent, and him being master of the underworld is indicative of the fact that he has very logical decisions and beliefs which are aimed at revenge. Whether the world is peaceful or more chaotic after the fall of WG isn't his goal or his concern. He only cares to take down the WG and any 'tool' that's not useful for that purpose is something he doesn't need.
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if Doflamingo is planning on taking out the WG there would be no end of people with deep grudges against them that he could recruit
DD isn't some psychopathic loonie that wants to see the world burn.
he literally said that in this chapter, he wants to completely destroy the government
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On September 11 2014 21:18 kanchome wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
It didn't look like Luffy used conqueror's haki in his Red Hawk attack, so he still has another level he can go to. You do know what Conqueror's Haki is right? It overrides the will of much weaker people. For combat skill it's limited to stunning masses of fodder only. It's more of a symbolic talent that represents the person being born a potential king/queen with the ability to rule others. Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
I still don't get why he was going after Luffy earlier when Sabo stopped him. Because he wanted to fool everyone including paranoid CP agents that his primary target was Luffy. Since Oda managed to fool the readers , chances are he fooled everyone else as well. There's no point doing things by half measures which is indicative of his personality so far. Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 13:24 RenSC2 wrote:
It does make his crew and their motivations much harder to figure out. If they aren't former slaves that he saved, why are they so in love with a guy who wants to see the world burn? Are they all a group of psychopaths too? For numerous reasons. He has displayed loyalty to those he sees worthy (core members) so far, he most likely gifts them with any luxury that money can buy. Being under him means they have a protection of a shibukai that makes their actions immmune from prosecution. There are probably those under him who hate the world leaders as much and sees him having the greatest chance of succeeding.(Which is probably right. If Luffy didn't get in the way, I'm nearly certain DD would have enacted his revenge plan) DD arming Kaido with the devilfruit is just one string we are aware of in his plan to take down the world government. Unlike others who think DD is blackmailed/fearful of Kaido, I think DD is afraid of losing his probably his biggest unknowing pawn to take down WG. Kaido with an army is probably the only thing that can take down WG in a straight out fight currently. It would go exactly like against WB except DD would have pawns on both sides to ensure both sides utterly destroy each other while he goes off to destroy the world nobles. Shanks only seems to care about his friends and not care about politics, Charlotte only cares about food. Blackbeard is an unknown entity and Kaido would certainly mess up his plans since Kaido presumably wants to rule the world. Out of the previous 4 emperors Kaido would have been the easiest to manipulate and the one that would directly counter his plans. DD isn't some psychopathic loonie that wants to see the world burn. He's shown to be highly intelligent, and him being master of the underworld is indicative of the fact that he has very logical decisions and beliefs which are aimed at revenge. Whether the world is peaceful or more chaotic after the fall of WG isn't his goal or his concern. He only cares to take down the WG and any 'tool' that's not useful for that purpose is something he doesn't need.
I really don't know abotu that. In Luffy vs don chinjao clash, they were both seen using kings haki when they punched(everyone fainted).
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oda only does black and white enemies for luffy. The enemy luffy beats is allways just pure villains.
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On September 12 2014 01:16 sertas wrote:
oda only does black and white enemies for luffy. The enemy luffy beats is allways just pure villains.
?! did you not see CP9's cover story? hachin? crocodile? even enel turned out to be cool when he was on the moon. smoker as well.
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ok so when luffy was fighting arlong , was arlong not considered just pure evil? When luffy fought cp9 wasnt lucci basicly described in cover story as a complete psycopathic killer? Crocodiles plan was to kill thousands and basicly was made to be as evil as possible, which he was. Enel same thing etc.
If oda then goes back later and makes the cool charracters less evil just beacuse he wants them back in the story is another matter.
Doflamingo was/is? A chance to break the pattern but if doflamingo also gets painted as a pure villain then its the same pattern for entirety of one piece so far.
When luffy fights a main villian its allways very clear its a super evil dude he must stop. Which is getting old imo.
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I'm not even going to start arguing with you. Almost every character in One Piece is grey and not black and white. Even Arlong was portrayed as cruel and whatnot but he was still good to his fishmen bros. e.g. see what he did for Fisher Tiger. He just got consumed by hate, that's all. It's not black and white at all.
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On September 12 2014 02:00 sertas wrote:
ok so when luffy was fighting arlong , was arlong not considered just pure evil? When luffy fought cp9 wasnt lucci basicly described in cover story as a complete psycopathic killer? Crocodiles plan was to kill thousands and basicly was made to be as evil as possible, which he was. Enel same thing etc.
If oda then goes back later and makes the cool charracters less evil just beacuse he wants them back in the story is another matter.
Doflamingo was/is? A chance to break the pattern but if doflamingo also gets painted as a pure villain then its the same pattern for entirety of one piece so far.
When luffy fights a main villian its allways very clear its a super evil dude he must stop. Which is getting old imo.
ya cause the whole "shades of grey" thing worked out so well for naruto -.-
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One piece is pretty black and white when it comes to luffy and his fights. Only time when it isn't black and white is when the world government is involved. One piece isn't exactly known for it's sophisticated backstory and background for the motivation of the enemies of luffy. Whn do you ever feel that luffy and his crew have ever taken the wrong course of action? Thought provoking debates before action? No, doflamingo once saying something about how justice is determined by the victors of war doesn't count. It's so cliched it makes me want to puke.
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So how do you guys think Luffy is going to get out of this one? He seems pretty fucked with his wrists tied behind his back. My prediction is that the Tonatta that has the tying fruit or w/e will come in and save him.
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Rayleigh did that fancy thing where he got that exploding necklace off Camie. Maybe he taught Luffy that.
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