[Manga] Bleach - Page 356

Tensa Zangetsu. Zangetsu in Bankai form. Maybe a younger Bach. Or an Ichigo lookalike with some of Juha's physical characteristics.

On June 05 2013 23:33 AXygnus wrote:


There are a lot of hints about this and about Hollow Ichigo being his real Zanpakutou, not fake-Zangetsu. Also, check this out. Remember Tensa and Hichigo fusing? And Opie using Sklaverei? They're so oddly simillar. And all of the Hollow's claims of being Zangetsu repeatedly to Ichigo, who didn't believe it... Even if it was shoehorned in, it was done nicely.

On June 06 2013 01:52 ZenithM wrote:
But I still want to believe, this "Old man Zangetsu = Bach" seems like it actually could have been planned from the beginning indeed.

If so that would means that Ichigo essentially fights without zanpakuto from the beginning right? Would he keep the same bankai after discovering his true zanpakuto?
If the true zanpakuto's powers are completely different, it could mean that Ichigo becomes like 10 times stronger. Which is what we want, obviously ;D

On June 06 2013 01:39 Icysoul wrote:
Okay, so i think i somewhat understand whats going on.
-Zangestu is the white hollow, that is its true form
-Ichigo perceives Zangestu as Bach from 1000 years ago unknowingly because of his subconscious quincy powers
So in essence, the old man never really existed, it had always been whitey. If we were to carefully go back and reread alot of this stuff, it actually makes sense (e.g. + Show Spoiler +)

Guys stop bashing the manga without even trying to figure out whats happening and calling BS. There's a thin line between the obligation for the author to explain whats going on, and for the reader to figure out whats going on.

On June 06 2013 02:13 freewareplayer wrote:

This seemed to makes sense to me at first too, especially considering the Sword smith dude said he makes all swords, and after redoing Ichigos it wouldnt be same. So that would add up with this theory.

What doesnt add up is that Ichigos only sword move ever is the same as his dads, which wouldnt make any sense unless his Sword came from his Shinigami powers. That however would eliminate both Bach and the Hollow as the potential old swords power source. Kubo for ya :D

On June 05 2013 23:48 riotjune wrote:

From last year

On June 05 2013 21:35 sumsaR wrote:

From how I understood it, this is what's going on:

- What Ichigo percieves as Zangetsu are his quincy powers masquerading as his Zanpakuto (i.e. his "fake Zanpakuto"), in the form of what Bach looked like 1000 years ago.
- That which is his inner hollow is actually his true Zanpakuto, which is explained away with "seems Aizen oddly made that hollow kinda the same way that I myself make my swords". Such a lucky coincidence!

On June 06 2013 02:40 Latham wrote:


I am a God. Hail me.



I like this explanation best, from the last 3 pages.

On June 06 2013 02:24 Dark_Chill wrote:


Not exactly. We still don't know Bach's influence on his powers. Maybe it was only repressing his shinigami/hollow side but still replicating them. This actually fits in quite nicely, allowing him to use the powers he has.

That doesnt explain how his Swords powers are nearly identical with his dads, who is 100% Shinigami. And if it would be true, and his Hollow powers are his sword, it doesnt explain why he can go different hollow modes on top of the sword.

On June 06 2013 02:58 Forikorder wrote:


his ability would be similar to his dads regardless since the ability is based on the person

its pretty obvious that Kubo made all this up this arc though theres too many inconsistancies for it to be real

On June 06 2013 02:52 freewareplayer wrote:

That doesnt explain how his Swords powers are nearly identical with his dads, who is 100% Shinigami. And if it would be true, and his Hollow powers are his sword, it doesnt explain why he can go different hollow modes on top of the sword.

On June 06 2013 02:20 Forikorder wrote:

except at that point he was only saying he was Zangetsu because he had gotten so strong at that point he had completely consumed Zangetsu

http://www.mangareader.net/94-54486-14/bleach/chapter-409.html

the kid introduced himself as Tensa Zangetsu then pulls the Hollow out from inside Ichigo its obvious that Zangetsu is his real Zanpaktou and the Hollow is also in there next to him but seperate

also if Zangetsu is not the old man, then why did the old man apear when Ichigo was training to learn Bankai?

On June 06 2013 03:14 shark. wrote:
Having thought about this more, while it seems like a nice twist it actually completely shits on everything that we have ever learnt about Shinigami and Zanpaktou. It really makes no sense how Zangetsu can be his quincy powers (or whatever) and allow him to use the same techniques as his father yet his actually Zanpaktou is a crazy hollow that likes to take control and rape shit whenever Ichigo should die. Even more I know that the whole rareity of Bankai has been shit on hard but doesnt this make it even more sketchy that he could acquire bankai without having a true Zanpaktou? I confused....

On June 06 2013 03:17 aksfjh wrote:
We actually know quite a bit about zanpakutou from other shinigami and their explanations/training. A lot of people complained about Ichigos being incredibly shallow in comparison to everybody else's, so his not being a "real" one would add up, in some sense.

On June 06 2013 03:37 freewareplayer wrote:
The whole concept of an individual misdirecting and deceiving himself about his own powers again and again is beyond stupid lol :D


That would make his Dads sword, which is real, just as shallow, so that doesnt seem likely.