EPTOn May 17 2012 11:20 Forikorder wrote:
tahts what people say about every new character
tahts what people say about every new character
That's because every new character looks exactly the same.
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SupaChicken
Australia273 Posts
That's because every new character looks exactly the same. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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Thalanoth
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On May 18 2012 04:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I don't get this balance thing. People die and their souls go to soul society. That's fine. How do souls go back to the material world? As Hollow? In which case they're sent back. As reincarnated people? Then killing hollows only creates a very temporary imbalance. Assuming souls flow freely, the only way to create an imbalance is to stop the flow. Removing the content on either side should have no long term consequences. Maybe the rate of soul flow to and fro are limited? The manga mentions that the material world could have too many souls. Easy solution, shinigamies should come over to the real world and kill a ton of people, kind of like how Aizen wanted to... hrm. the human world is constantly growing because birth rates far outweigh death rates. if the hollows are killed by quincy, their souls dont go to soul society, and the natural rate of increase of souls in the human world starts to push against the boundary of balance between the two worlds, and if left unhindered breaks everything down. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 18 2012 04:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I don't get this balance thing. People die and their souls go to soul society. That's fine. How do souls go back to the material world? As Hollow? In which case they're sent back. As reincarnated people? Then killing hollows only creates a very temporary imbalance. Assuming souls flow freely, the only way to create an imbalance is to stop the flow. Removing the content on either side should have no long term consequences. Maybe the rate of soul flow to and fro are limited? The manga mentions that the material world could have too many souls. Easy solution, shinigamies should come over to the real world and kill a ton of people, kind of like how Aizen wanted to... hrm. because lets say there are 10 trillion souls with 5 trillion on each side every time theres a death one soul gets sent from the soul society to the human world, this includes the death of a hollow but when a quincy kills a hollow the soul doesnt go to the soul society it disapears but one soul still goes to the human world so instead of there being 5 trillion souls on each side theres 4 trillion 999 billion 999 million 999 thousand 999 souls on soul societys side and 5 trillion souls on the human world side its probably like 10 trillion times more complicated then that but thats essentially how it works, by removing souls from the equation its impossible to make balance without careful actions | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
soul mathematics. nty. Also this fight is taking too long. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
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Forikorder
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On May 18 2012 04:39 Kyuukyuu wrote: for a completely inconsequential introductory character this quincynazi sure has been around for a few chapters dont worry im sure the main enemy will be killed in one chapter to compensate | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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On May 18 2012 04:25 Forikorder wrote: because lets say there are 10 trillion souls with 5 trillion on each side every time theres a death one soul gets sent from the soul society to the human world, this includes the death of a hollow but when a quincy kills a hollow the soul doesnt go to the soul society it disapears but one soul still goes to the human world so instead of there being 5 trillion souls on each side theres 4 trillion 999 billion 999 million 999 thousand 999 souls on soul societys side and 5 trillion souls on the human world side its probably like 10 trillion times more complicated then that but thats essentially how it works, by removing souls from the equation its impossible to make balance without careful actions Doesn't make any sense to me. I see it as a system of equilibrium. The more souls you have on one side, the higher the rate of flow, until a static equilibrium is established. Only under this system maintain a quota on each side. If one side suddenly incurs a deficit, then the outward flow decreases and inward flow increases so that a new equilibrium again establishes. Even if a percent of flow is completely diverted, the system continuously strive for equilibrium until there is a scarcity of souls in both worlds. Then it wouldn't be an issue of having too much on either side. If there is no self correcting mechanism to achieve an equilibrium, then there has to be a governing force, such as the shinigami perhaps, that enforces the rate of soul flow. But we know that the shinigami don't kill people, only pass those already dead. So they do not control the flow either. Quincy only kill hollow, so effectively equivalent to removing a fraction of souls that flows toward soul society, likely saving lives in the process. So they are decreasing flow toward soul society while increasing influx (via saving people who continue to reproduce). In this way I suppose it does increase the amount of souls in the material world, but at what point does that become a problem? This doesn't even take into account the fact that they introduced a hell that is apart from the material world and soul society, or the existence of worlds like hueco mundo where every single hollow is equivalent to a massive amount of souls. A lot of unknowns, I sure hope they're going to be explained. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 18 2012 04:48 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Doesn't make any sense to me. I see it as a system of equilibrium. The more souls you have on one side, the higher the rate of flow, until a static equilibrium is established. Only under this system maintain a quota on each side. If one side suddenly incurs a deficit, then the outward flow decreases and inward flow increases so that a new equilibrium again establishes. Even if a percent of flow is completely diverted, the system continuously strive for equilibrium until there is a scarcity of souls in both worlds. Then it wouldn't be an issue of having too much on either side. If there is no self correcting mechanism to achieve an equilibrium, then there has to be a governing force, such as the shinigami perhaps, that enforces the rate of soul flow. But we know that the shinigami don't kill people, only pass those already dead. So they do not control the flow either. Quincy only kill hollow, so effectively equivalent to removing a fraction of souls that flows toward soul society, likely saving lives in the process. So they are decreasing flow toward soul society while increasing influx (via saving people who continue to reproduce). In this way I suppose it does increase the amount of souls in the material world, but at what point does that become a problem? This doesn't even take into account the fact that they introduced a hell that is apart from the material world and soul society, or the existence of worlds like hueco mundo where every single hollow is equivalent to a massive amount of souls. A lot of unknowns, I sure hope they're going to be explained. think of it like a machine, the machine has 2 bags of water on each side and 2 pipes connecting the bags every minute the pipes take 5 millilitres from bag A (the SS) and moves it to the other bag B (the human world) however the bag does not automatically move 5 milliliters of water from bag B to bage A as a result the Shinigma have to extrat water from bag B to move to bag B (they do this by killing Hollows and doing that ritual thing on ghosts) however the Quincies can at any point take some water from bag B and just squirt it on the floor ive jsut realised i actually dont know where this metaphor is going anymore think of it like this X lives are born every day so the Soul reapers need to reap X souls every day by killing hollows and ritualizing ghosts but for every hollow a quincy kills thats one soul less then the soul reapers can send over to the soul society so as the quincies killed more and more hollows the Soul reapers became unable to take souls out of the human world at the same pace as they were being injected (or inversly the quincies were removing more souls from the human world then were being removed from the soul society) so it threatened to tip the scale | ||
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Dark_Chill
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Forikorder
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On May 18 2012 06:34 Dark_Chill wrote: So how is Hueco Mundo put into this equation? If it doesn't affect the ballance and is just a place where a lot of hollows are, why didn't the soul reapers just send the quincies there? They could eliminate all the hollows they want. since that is where the Quincies had been doing most of there hollow extermination which prompted the science dude to slaughter a bunch of rukongai chumps i think its safe to assume that any soul in Hueco Mundo counts as being in the human world if not then the Soul Reapers would ahve already have an easy way to get into Hueco Mundo because they would ahve been forced to make raids on it in order to prevent too many hollows from existing since that would tip the scales | ||
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dudeman001
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On May 18 2012 08:08 dudeman001 wrote: We're doing soul math in the Bleach thread. This is what Kubo has done to us. We're all above average smart people who wish to make a logical conclusion to Kubo's explanation. Yet there is none. Math will soon show infeasibility. | ||
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Draconizard
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You're setting yourselves up for failure and (even more) confusion. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 18 2012 10:30 Draconizard wrote: What are you people doing? You can't use logic to understand an inherently illogical system. You're setting yourselves up for failure and (even more) confusion. it does make sense as long as you dont actually try to figure out why it makes sense | ||
Chexx
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new chapter is out. Reishi absorb Quinices seems like a free win | ||
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