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On November 12 2014 15:23 zatic wrote:
That's what I meant. You can have the time slip AND experience the gravity, but you can't have the time slip and not any of the effects of the gravity. Yet in the movie they are having the insane time slip but experience only 130% gravity. To get to the extreme time slip they are in they would have to experience gravity that would crush them, and probably the whole planet with them.
No that's not how it works. The time slippage experienced is from the black hole's gravity well, but what they don't physically feel it because the planet is in orbit from said black hole. It's the same reason why astronauts in orbit are in a zero-G environment, even though they are well within Earth's gravity well and experience very slightly more time dilation than say, someone on the moon.
As to the planet being ripped apart by tidal forces, the astrophysicist on Slate who originally claimed the discrepancy has since corrected himself, as a spinning black hole would actually allow a very closely orbiting planet to have a stable orbit and not feel overwhelming tidal forces, considering the rotational speed and mass of the black hole.
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Yeah I saw that article. It's not particularly satisfying though as all it says is well, because Math.
Doesn't explain the other problem of course, that they suddenly arrive at the water planet with Star Wars type space gliders that can just hop off a planet with 130% of Earth's gravity but had to take off from Earth with a giant 3 stage rocket.
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Here is a physicist talking about the science of Interstellar http://ikjyotsinghkohli24.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/on-the-science-of-interstellar/
From what I have read around the most "unscientific" stuff from the movie is not even the final act, which is not theoritically impossible, but + Show Spoiler +
And of course
+ Show Spoiler +the Time paradox (this one called more specifically a Bootstrap Paradox) but I am of the opinion that it is a smart plot device to make us think rather than a plot hole.
Some stuff has been hidden for the sake of the pace of the movie, like when they jump in the black hole right after leaving Mann's planet when they should have spent months to travel there.
The only true plot hole in my opinion is when they suggested Brand and Coop are the same age at the end of the movie, but Brand should be significantly older IMO. Still it's relatively minor and doesn't kill the movie.
On November 13 2014 00:58 zatic wrote:
Doesn't explain the other problem of course, that they suddenly arrive at the water planet with Star Wars type space gliders that can just hop off a planet with 130% of Earth's gravity but had to take off from Earth with a giant 3 stage rocket.
My guess is to save fuel.
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Just saw Interstellar and really enjoyed it.
Some plot issues and of course shenanigans but I really felt a lot of attention still went into details and science was honored in the movie despite the overambitious subject (even when not respected or extrapolated). Been a while I haven't been that en-thrilled by a SF movie.
Good acting, good score, well paced and pretty clever as far as theater movies are concerned. The attention to details in the first half hour or so was pretty impressive.
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God i always get so angry at movies that fuck up time travel that i can't enjoy them for being science fiction movies that are not meant to make sense. But. COME ON! Really?
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You have the immense knowledge, technology and stuff, to send a portal through time and space tell the past how to save earth. But THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT, is obviously to send a guy into a strange library in the middle of a black hole (lol) and have him push books out of the shelf of his daughters library. WHAT? Because love can do it. you can obviously send force through the fucking field, and you can send it to a specific place you want so maybe send it into the lab of a scientist and in a way that is less stupid. Like, words, in a computer. Or on a wall. You can figure out something better.
The whole last 30 minutes where like, we need to find a solution that everyone likes, so, how do we get cooper back to earth, then to Brand, whose boyfriend conveniently died, safe all of humanity and pls make the robot sourvive as well, cause he is so adorable. If they just had both stayed in the damn ship, made it to the planet, created there colony there and then, in the future, created that wormhole and told earth to survive, it would have made soooooome sense. But this was just ridiculous. Also, why are the landers, that are decoupled, dropped into the black hole, as if gravity can only suck them in if they are not attached to the rest of the ship. And if ywe speak about decoupling, why would you detach the lander AFTER it has used all of his acceleration? Changing the mass only matters if you are still accelerating, which you don't without the landers. Play some KSP before you make a movie about space travel, grrrrrrr.
And they need 2 years to get to the whole, but in this awesome new system, everything is only minutes away from each other. Great.
Okay, enough rant.
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On November 13 2014 10:39 Broetchenholer wrote:God i always get so angry at movies that fuck up time travel that i can't enjoy them for being science fiction movies that are not meant to make sense. But. COME ON! Really? + Show Spoiler +
You have the immense knowledge, technology and stuff, to send a portal through time and space tell the past how to save earth. But THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT, is obviously to send a guy into a strange library in the middle of a black hole (lol) and have him push books out of the shelf of his daughters library. WHAT? Because love can do it. you can obviously send force through the fucking field, and you can send it to a specific place you want so maybe send it into the lab of a scientist and in a way that is less stupid. Like, words, in a computer. Or on a wall. You can figure out something better.
The whole last 30 minutes where like, we need to find a solution that everyone likes, so, how do we get cooper back to earth, then to Brand, whose boyfriend conveniently died, safe all of humanity and pls make the robot sourvive as well, cause he is so adorable. If they just had both stayed in the damn ship, made it to the planet, created there colony there and then, in the future, created that wormhole and told earth to survive, it would have made soooooome sense. But this was just ridiculous. Also, why are the landers, that are decoupled, dropped into the black hole, as if gravity can only suck them in if they are not attached to the rest of the ship. And if ywe speak about decoupling, why would you detach the lander AFTER it has used all of his acceleration? Changing the mass only matters if you are still accelerating, which you don't without the landers. Play some KSP before you make a movie about space travel, grrrrrrr.
And they need 2 years to get to the whole, but in this awesome new system, everything is only minutes away from each other. Great.
Okay, enough rant.
There's no way to do time travel with it making sense. Stuff gets too complex and too confusing way too fast. If you want to enjoy these kinds of movies you have to suspend your belief for an hour or two and just enjoy the ride.
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+ Show Spoiler +I find that kind of time travel alright, where the time travel creates somewhat of a loop and therefore the timeline is not altered at some point in the movie. Like this movie or 12 monkeys (if I remember correctly). Often the plot device used is that the reason why you decide to travel in time is a reason created by the travel itself. If you admit that the whole timeline is created/fixed with the loop in it (and that therefore there is no "first time" to start the loop), it somewhat makes sense. I get more annoyed when we get the stronger paradox like the classic: "What happens if you kill your father ?" In which case the timeline is altered and there is an irreconcilable paradox unless you think of parallel universes. But in that case the problem you tried to fix is only fixed in one universe and it starts to give me headaches 
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I have to force myself to stop reading this thread until I actually see Interstellar, haha.
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Only Lovers Left Alive
One of the most entertaining movies in which nothing happens (typical Jarmush I guess). Was a pleasure to watch since the movie kind of sucks you in and you can't turn your eyes away.
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I don't know, I found it quite boring even though I know Jarmush and I usually enjoy his works. I love movies 'full of nothing', but this I didn't.
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On November 12 2014 10:34 obesechicken13 wrote:Guardians of the GalaxyNot sure what the hype was about. The scenery is reminiscent of The Fifth Element which isn't a bad thing. It's just a weird thing. For instance you'll never see the Collector or anyone as weird as him as a main character in the Avengers. The characters were more annoying than interesting. The acting was bad. The costumes were subpar. It seemed a lot of people were just painted and given fake ears from a local halloween store. I'm exaggerating here but still. + Show Spoiler +
I didn't like the whole story arc behind the infinity stone though. If these things existed from before the big bang and they possessed the power to kill everything on a planet then why didn't Thanos go get it himself?
Why does he look like a raccoon. I get he's experimented on but did they take a raccoon from Earth, and then put something else's brain into it? Marvel's superheroes have always been weird so maybe I just don't have the right taste for them.
Why do the main characters do stupid things? The humor seemed forced.
So I'm going with a seeded spoiler policy to this because one contains spoilers and the deeper one contains ones that might spoil later stuff for you
First My favorite comic book movie success story. The racoon of the rocket
+ Show Spoiler + Ok so rocket raccoon is easy they did experiments on cybernetics and adding robotic parts to an animal to possibly make him a weapon. + Show Spoiler + Hes revealed in the comic books to be a lab experiment of the stranger a cosmic entity that goes around the universe and study's planets and does things + Show Spoiler + The stranger is later revealed to be behind the acceleration of mutants developing in humanity. + Show Spoiler + Naturally there isn't that many mutants (as spoiler they are culled significantly in the comic books as well) and the Stranger is revealed to be the guy useing rocket racoon as the start of his experiments to make more humans mutants, does this mean that technically hes a mutant? The answer is no because mutants are natural as + Show Spoiler + in the next xman movie its revealed that Apocolypse is the first mutant and has been around from the Egyptians
The collector Del toro.
+ Show Spoiler + Is a big deal and you should feel bad for not enjoying him. Hes a guy who collects things. Why does he collect things? + Show Spoiler + He has been around for billions of years. He use to live with his wife but she lost the will to live and gave up her immortality. He decided he needed a hobby so he decided to collect things. next spoilers are fun facts about him that may or may not come up later in the movies because hes definity going to be involved in the movies. + Show Spoiler + He is called an "elder" because he was apart of the first species of the universe and beacuse of things happening Death (who is female thank you very much) decided that no more elders can die. So not only is he unable to die due to age or illness he literally can't die even if say he gets eaten or blown up. This doesn't mean he can grab an infinity stone because he'll still blow up death will just send him back. He also has the power of prophesy and has one or more of the infinity stones at some point.
To explain thanos and the infinity stones is a deep and dark rabbit hole that can go to so many tangents.
All I will say Is GET HYPE YO JAMES SPADER YIP YIP.
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On November 16 2014 12:22 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 10:34 obesechicken13 wrote:Guardians of the GalaxyNot sure what the hype was about. The scenery is reminiscent of The Fifth Element which isn't a bad thing. It's just a weird thing. For instance you'll never see the Collector or anyone as weird as him as a main character in the Avengers. The characters were more annoying than interesting. The acting was bad. The costumes were subpar. It seemed a lot of people were just painted and given fake ears from a local halloween store. I'm exaggerating here but still. + Show Spoiler +
I didn't like the whole story arc behind the infinity stone though. If these things existed from before the big bang and they possessed the power to kill everything on a planet then why didn't Thanos go get it himself?
Why does he look like a raccoon. I get he's experimented on but did they take a raccoon from Earth, and then put something else's brain into it? Marvel's superheroes have always been weird so maybe I just don't have the right taste for them.
Why do the main characters do stupid things? The humor seemed forced.
So I'm going with a seeded spoiler policy to this because one contains spoilers and the deeper one contains ones that might spoil later stuff for you First My favorite comic book movie success story. The racoon of the rocket + Show Spoiler + Ok so rocket raccoon is easy they did experiments on cybernetics and adding robotic parts to an animal to possibly make him a weapon. + Show Spoiler + Hes revealed in the comic books to be a lab experiment of the stranger a cosmic entity that goes around the universe and study's planets and does things + Show Spoiler + The stranger is later revealed to be behind the acceleration of mutants developing in humanity. + Show Spoiler + Naturally there isn't that many mutants (as spoiler they are culled significantly in the comic books as well) and the Stranger is revealed to be the guy useing rocket racoon as the start of his experiments to make more humans mutants, does this mean that technically hes a mutant? The answer is no because mutants are natural as + Show Spoiler + in the next xman movie its revealed that Apocolypse is the first mutant and has been around from the Egyptians The collector Del toro. + Show Spoiler + Is a big deal and you should feel bad for not enjoying him. Hes a guy who collects things. Why does he collect things? + Show Spoiler + He has been around for billions of years. He use to live with his wife but she lost the will to live and gave up her immortality. He decided he needed a hobby so he decided to collect things. next spoilers are fun facts about him that may or may not come up later in the movies because hes definity going to be involved in the movies. + Show Spoiler + He is called an "elder" because he was apart of the first species of the universe and beacuse of things happening Death (who is female thank you very much) decided that no more elders can die. So not only is he unable to die due to age or illness he literally can't die even if say he gets eaten or blown up. This doesn't mean he can grab an infinity stone because he'll still blow up death will just send him back. He also has the power of prophesy and has one or more of the infinity stones at some point. To explain thanos and the infinity stones is a deep and dark rabbit hole that can go to so many tangents. All I will say Is GET HYPE YO JAMES SPADER YIP YIP.
Thanks. I like reading lore, but I feel Marvel's is just really weird. Like they build the characters individually in their own world and then try to merge their worlds together when teaming the characters up.
In any case you would never pick up on any of these things from watching the movie.
+ Show Spoiler +Death's interactions with deadpool are really funny. I like her. But again. Weird.
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Interstellar: 7/10
Christopher Nolan did not know how to close this movie on the third act.
Science Fiction movie turned into sappy romance.
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these overrated space movies scare me, means they are gonna just make more. First gravity now this, bleh. People's obsession with space is fascinating as I find it quite boring.
At any rate interstellar was much better than gravity.
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I've seen sci-fi films with too much dry, technical exposition ("That's why they're called black holes"), or too much awful fake science ("It's recursive! It's nonsense!"), or too much painful schmaltz ("Love transcends time and space").
Interstellar was probably the first with so much of all three. Somehow it was great in spite of it; I highly recommend it.
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regarding the water planet, if somebody was observing (let's say dr black guy) with a powerful telescope into the planet, would he see stuff in dr black guy time or water planet time?
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Can we take all the interstellar talk and push it to an interstellar thread like we do with every other big movie? A few posts is fine but this doesn't seem like it's going to stop anytime soon and every post is interstellar.
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Interstellar:
I went into it with high expectations. I guess it was okay. Maybe a 7/10, I guess?
The main point of the unknown in the blackhole was that you can use gravity to communicate through space and time. I guess thats cool?
Also, isnt time slowed down by the mass of a object? So since blackholes are matter collapsing on itself (is that the right term?), that means the time around it would be drastically slowed down. I felt like they needed to spoon feed that part to us more. My friend still had a hard time trying to grasp the whole 1hour per 7years thing.
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On November 17 2014 14:35 icystorage wrote:
regarding the water planet, if somebody was observing (let's say dr black guy) with a powerful telescope into the planet, would he see stuff in dr black guy time or water planet time?
I don't really understand your question. An observer would see the planet as it was some time ago. The amount of time is the time it takes light to travel from what is observed to the observer.
That is a basic concept of astrophysics, an object observed is always an image of how it was in the past. That's why we have some "close to the big bang" pictures showing a more primitive universe (Hubble Deep Field). But if we were to actually teleport there it would be completely different.
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