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Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 21 2013 16:08 GMT
#17241
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 21 2013 16:08 GMT
#17242
On May 22 2013 00:12 Zandar wrote:
Seems like a bit of a plot hole, or I guess somehow they lost a lot of knowledge over the centuries.

Nobody actually believes that white walkers exist anymore. Do you make a habit of reading several-thousand-year-old books and taking precautions against the things they depict?
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 16:15:19
May 21 2013 16:12 GMT
#17243
The birds are not attacking Sam! That wouldn't even make sense. They are there for the atmosphere.

/edit

On May 22 2013 01:08 Conti wrote:
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.


I'd totally leave the dagger behind in utter panic, because let's face it - I am unbloodied. And so are most of us on TL. That also means we are not brave.

Yes, people claiming they would do better are probably kidding themselves. But that does not make Sam any less of a craven. It's not black and white like that. Sam is a coward in the conventional sense. He is not combat oriented. Nor are most of us on TL.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 16:19:27
May 21 2013 16:18 GMT
#17244
Guys, you're not watching a reality show. Characters are not autonomous entities, they're just building blocks in the overall story. Sam not picking up the dagger was obviously intended for one reason or another. If you don't like it, blame the writing and general character portrayal, not an imaginary person.

Such a lapse of judgement fits Sam's character and is thus believable enough (especially given the circumstances), and it will probably serve the plot in some way. Personally I really don't see the problem with it.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43557 Posts
May 21 2013 16:20 GMT
#17245
On May 22 2013 01:12 plogamer wrote:
The birds are not attacking Sam! That wouldn't even make sense. They are there for the atmosphere.

/edit

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:08 Conti wrote:
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.


I'd totally leave the dagger behind in utter panic, because let's face it - I am unbloodied. And so are most of us on TL. That also means we are not brave.

Yes, people claiming they would do better are probably kidding themselves. But that does not make Sam any less of a craven. It's not black and white like that. Sam is a coward in the conventional sense. He is not combat oriented. Nor are most of us on TL.

I don't think birds have any real understanding of creating atmosphere and I don't think they'd care that much about it if they did. I think they were linked in some way to magics, north of the wall with the wierwood tree (part of the old religion) and the white walkers and Craster's baby to be sacrificed there's all sorts of old magic going on. Not sure if they were trying to be helpful and warn him or scare him or watch him or if they are simply drawn to the WW but they're probably not just for atmosphere.
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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 16:26:04
May 21 2013 16:24 GMT
#17246
On May 22 2013 01:20 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:12 plogamer wrote:
The birds are not attacking Sam! That wouldn't even make sense. They are there for the atmosphere.

/edit

On May 22 2013 01:08 Conti wrote:
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.


I'd totally leave the dagger behind in utter panic, because let's face it - I am unbloodied. And so are most of us on TL. That also means we are not brave.

Yes, people claiming they would do better are probably kidding themselves. But that does not make Sam any less of a craven. It's not black and white like that. Sam is a coward in the conventional sense. He is not combat oriented. Nor are most of us on TL.

I don't think birds have any real understanding of creating atmosphere and I don't think they'd care that much about it if they did. I think they were linked in some way to magics, north of the wall with the wierwood tree (part of the old religion) and the white walkers and Craster's baby to be sacrificed there's all sorts of old magic going on. Not sure if they were trying to be helpful and warn him or scare him or watch him or if they are simply drawn to the WW but they're probably not just for atmosphere.


I'm saying the show's creators are using the bird for that effect. They were perching peacefully (just loudly, but not aggressive), initially. Maybe magic is involved, but I'm not convinced the birds are hostile.

/edit

It is weird that the white-walker was focused on Craster's baby. Like, it can sense the baby was born of incest. Why ignore Sam? Imagine if all the white-walkers wanted to do was kill Jofferey. lol
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
May 21 2013 16:24 GMT
#17247
On May 22 2013 01:20 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:12 plogamer wrote:
The birds are not attacking Sam! That wouldn't even make sense. They are there for the atmosphere.

/edit

On May 22 2013 01:08 Conti wrote:
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.


I'd totally leave the dagger behind in utter panic, because let's face it - I am unbloodied. And so are most of us on TL. That also means we are not brave.

Yes, people claiming they would do better are probably kidding themselves. But that does not make Sam any less of a craven. It's not black and white like that. Sam is a coward in the conventional sense. He is not combat oriented. Nor are most of us on TL.

I don't think birds have any real understanding of creating atmosphere and I don't think they'd care that much about it if they did. I think they were linked in some way to magics, north of the wall with the wierwood tree (part of the old religion) and the white walkers and Craster's baby to be sacrificed there's all sorts of old magic going on. Not sure if they were trying to be helpful and warn him or scare him or watch him or if they are simply drawn to the WW but they're probably not just for atmosphere.


I thought the point was that the crows were expecting death soon and thus a feast.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 21 2013 16:27 GMT
#17248
On May 22 2013 01:24 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:20 KwarK wrote:
On May 22 2013 01:12 plogamer wrote:
The birds are not attacking Sam! That wouldn't even make sense. They are there for the atmosphere.

/edit

On May 22 2013 01:08 Conti wrote:
Remember when I said that all these "Sam is annoying!" posts were silly? Well, all these "I'd act totally rational if I would be in utter panic!" posts are even sillier. Who'd have thought.


I'd totally leave the dagger behind in utter panic, because let's face it - I am unbloodied. And so are most of us on TL. That also means we are not brave.

Yes, people claiming they would do better are probably kidding themselves. But that does not make Sam any less of a craven. It's not black and white like that. Sam is a coward in the conventional sense. He is not combat oriented. Nor are most of us on TL.

I don't think birds have any real understanding of creating atmosphere and I don't think they'd care that much about it if they did. I think they were linked in some way to magics, north of the wall with the wierwood tree (part of the old religion) and the white walkers and Craster's baby to be sacrificed there's all sorts of old magic going on. Not sure if they were trying to be helpful and warn him or scare him or watch him or if they are simply drawn to the WW but they're probably not just for atmosphere.


I thought the point was that the crows were expecting death soon and thus a feast.

I thought the crows were leading the white walker to Sam : P that's where I'm at with it
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
Meow-Meow
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany451 Posts
May 21 2013 16:56 GMT
#17249
I rather doubt that the writers of the show put that much deliberation into Sam leaving behind the dagger.

Maybe they figured that he doesn't need it anymore, because they know his story and simply assume he won't be encountering any Whites anymore.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Like all techno, it's hard to tell if it's good music played horribly or horrible music played well.
Tgarrow2
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 17:02:54
May 21 2013 16:59 GMT
#17250


User was temp banned for this post.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 21 2013 17:00 GMT
#17251
I hope making a new account was worth that post.
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Meow-Meow
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany451 Posts
May 21 2013 17:02 GMT
#17252
I hate that I post right before the guy who just signs up on TL to spoil people.

We're not the same person.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Like all techno, it's hard to tell if it's good music played horribly or horrible music played well.
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:22:17
May 21 2013 17:05 GMT
#17253
Beyond his being a huge asshole, it's interesting that Tgarrow2 thought Craster's sacrificing of males to the White Walkers is some secret bastard knowledge. Has he not even watched the show?

edit: :p
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 21 2013 17:13 GMT
#17254
On May 22 2013 02:05 frogrubdown wrote:
Beyond his being a huge asshole, it's interesting that Tgarrow2 thought Caster's sacrificing of males to the White Walkers is some secret book knowledge. Has he not even watched the show?


Noo, don't use the B-word man.
Meow-Meow
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany451 Posts
May 21 2013 17:14 GMT
#17255
Bonjwa?
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Like all techno, it's hard to tell if it's good music played horribly or horrible music played well.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 17:54:05
May 21 2013 17:53 GMT
#17256
On May 22 2013 02:14 Meow-Meow wrote:
Bonjwa?

No, Bastard :D
We all know this show is all about Bastards. Jon, Gendry, Joffrey.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 21 2013 17:57 GMT
#17257
On May 22 2013 02:53 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 02:14 Meow-Meow wrote:
Bonjwa?

No, Bastard :D
We all know this show is all about Bastards. Jon, Gendry, Joffrey.

I'm rather certain he meant "book" since using that word has a tendency to get people banned in this thread.
wat
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 21 2013 17:58 GMT
#17258
I know, that is why I am trying to change the conversation but you are not helping
Meow-Meow
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany451 Posts
May 21 2013 18:21 GMT
#17259
On May 22 2013 02:53 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 02:14 Meow-Meow wrote:
Bonjwa?

No, Bastard :D
We all know this show is all about Bastards. Jon, Gendry, Joffrey.


Don't forget Craster!
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Like all techno, it's hard to tell if it's good music played horribly or horrible music played well.
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
May 21 2013 20:47 GMT
#17260
On May 22 2013 00:14 Hitch-22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 23:52 Zandar wrote:
On May 21 2013 23:42 Hitch-22 wrote:
On May 21 2013 23:38 Spaiku wrote:
Why is everyone making a big deal about not picking up the dagger?

Do you think one dagger is going to defeat an army of white walkers or that they can make magic copies of the dagger for the entire night's watch?


No but I bet you if he walks into another white walker it'd be nice to have... Are you suggesting leaving your only weapon to kill a magical enemy in the snowy ground that you'll never see again is a good idea? Even slightly smart? No it's a fucking stupid scene and it goes against everything "book smart" Sam is, he may be a coward but he's not retarded and he understands magic dagger (or obsedian dagger, same diff for the purpose) to kill magic enemy is a good thing to have; Sam the stupid would leave the dagger, average joe the mediocre intelligence would pick up the dagger so either Sam is incredibly stupid (dumber then the average guy who understands killing magical badass's is a good thing) or the scene and written log of Sam in this scene is obscene.


Everyone who thinks Sam is stupid for leaving the dagger just totally ignores the biggest reason.
He's in total panic mode. A white walker just attacked him.
And while he died, there is still an insane amount of birds about to attack him.

People often don't think clearly in a situation where their lives are at stake.
Instincts take over, in this case the reflex to run.


You dont think you'd say "SHIT THAT WAS FUCKING CRAZY I HAVE THE ONLY WEAPON THAT CAN KILL THESE GUYS" ... He was standing next to the fucking dagger, not like he had to even walk, he had to bend the fuck down...

There is no competent human being that has any intelligence that would simply not bend down to pick up the dagger then run in fear.


Who said anything about that dagger being the only thing that can kill white walkers? Sure, given the scene it seems like a plausible conclusion, but expecting him to see the WW disintegrate and then immediately realize that the dagger material possess magical properties is plain stupid. All this while being in total panic mode.
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
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