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zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
May 10 2013 00:32 GMT
#16041
Sam being fat isn't a problem.

Sam being a boring, weak chump is a problem, he needs to die.
xavra41
Profile Joined January 2012
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 01:54:24
May 10 2013 00:37 GMT
#16042
mod edit: book content.

User was temp banned for this post.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 00:52:08
May 10 2013 00:51 GMT
#16043
Either Sam is going to become the key to something, maybe something with that Dragonglass weapon he had with him or something to do with lineage and where he comes from. Or hes going to die a horrible death to let the viewers know that you can't be a simpleton and have too big a heart or it gets you killed. Also another character to die so GRM can remind us anyone can die.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Holo82
Profile Joined April 2013
Austria107 Posts
May 10 2013 00:58 GMT
#16044
Sam is the prototype of intellectual /cleric /priestlike leader: no big muscle, swordswing dumb guy that does as him is said(like jamie lannister),
he is a intelligent person with an own mind, making brave decisions even against authorities, if he is rightfully convinced of something he will do it, no matter what his boss says.
Thats why he became vice-president of nightwatch guys, i think.

Speculations:

And that dagger from the ancients he is wearing has some role, i bet. it reminded me on lord of the ring, where one little guy found a weapon in a grave, that was the only blade on the whole continent to be able to hurt the nazghul boss. I am pretty sure, that weapon has something similar to show in future, hopefully he will be the guy that saves westeros from the crazy dragon lady daenerys.

Yeah, dragons are cute, as long as they are small.... But they grow. And those dragons are needed to kill off those whitewalkers guys in the north. Next step is than using the dagger to stop Daenerys from conquering whole westeross, and at the end, arya will be queen of whole westeros

(thats how i would have developped the story).
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 01:16:41
May 10 2013 01:11 GMT
#16045
On May 10 2013 09:58 Holo82 wrote:
Sam is the prototype of intellectual /cleric /priestlike leader: no big muscle, swordswing dumb guy that does as him is said(like jamie lannister),
he is a intelligent person with an own mind, making brave decisions even against authorities, if he is rightfully convinced of something he will do it, no matter what his boss says.
Thats why he became vice-president of nightwatch guys, i think.

Speculations:

And that dagger from the ancients he is wearing has some role, i bet. it reminded me on lord of the ring, where one little guy found a weapon in a grave, that was the only blade on the whole continent to be able to hurt the nazghul boss. I am pretty sure, that weapon has something similar to show in future, hopefully he will be the guy that saves westeros from the crazy dragon lady daenerys.

Yeah, dragons are cute, as long as they are small.... But they grow. And those dragons are needed to kill off those whitewalkers guys in the north. Next step is than using the dagger to stop Daenerys from conquering whole westeross, and at the end, arya will be queen of whole westeros

(thats how i would have developped the story).


Sam isn't an intellectual, hes a rehash of Sam from Lord of the Rings, a courageous sidekick who will go to any lengths to do what's right but try his best not to step on anyone's toes, to call him an intellectual is to really misrepresent his character imo.

On May 10 2013 09:51 Zooper31 wrote:
Either Sam is going to become the key to something, maybe something with that Dragonglass weapon he had with him or something to do with lineage and where he comes from. Or hes going to die a horrible death to let the viewers know that you can't be a simpleton and have too big a heart or it gets you killed. Also another character to die so GRM can remind us anyone can die.

Betting it's between Tywin and Robb, this war has to come to a close sometime and I fear Tywin's much to smart to die (unless by open combat). That being said they could stretch this war on for seasons... I mean Winter has been coming for 16 FUCKING YEARS!!! (#AoA)
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 10 2013 01:14 GMT
#16046
He certainly likes to read books though and has come up with useful information at least once.
He is useful when he isn't walking through the fucking wilderness and getting attacked by an army of zombies
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CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
May 10 2013 01:16 GMT
#16047
On May 10 2013 10:11 Hitch-22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 09:58 Holo82 wrote:
Sam is the prototype of intellectual /cleric /priestlike leader: no big muscle, swordswing dumb guy that does as him is said(like jamie lannister),
he is a intelligent person with an own mind, making brave decisions even against authorities, if he is rightfully convinced of something he will do it, no matter what his boss says.
Thats why he became vice-president of nightwatch guys, i think.

Speculations:

And that dagger from the ancients he is wearing has some role, i bet. it reminded me on lord of the ring, where one little guy found a weapon in a grave, that was the only blade on the whole continent to be able to hurt the nazghul boss. I am pretty sure, that weapon has something similar to show in future, hopefully he will be the guy that saves westeros from the crazy dragon lady daenerys.

Yeah, dragons are cute, as long as they are small.... But they grow. And those dragons are needed to kill off those whitewalkers guys in the north. Next step is than using the dagger to stop Daenerys from conquering whole westeross, and at the end, arya will be queen of whole westeros

(thats how i would have developped the story).


Sam isn't an intellectual, hes a rehash of Sam from Lord of the Rings, a courageous sidekick who will go to any lengths to do what's right but try his best not to step on anyone's toes, to call him an intellectual is to really misrepresent his character imo.


He can and likes to read. For Westeros standards that makes him borderline Einstein.
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Faceroll52
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden26 Posts
May 10 2013 01:18 GMT
#16048
On May 10 2013 09:26 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 08:55 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I dream of dating a woman spawned of incest. If only!

that's seriously disturbing


He was making fun of the post above.

If Robb dies without getting any revenge done i will lose it. Wich at this point seems to be the direction it's going aswell..
And the reason i feel this way is because it doesn't make any sense. Maybe im speaking to soon on this but Littlefinger is supposed to marry Lisa, and then take up arms against Robb according to Tywin. Now why the fuck would Lisa ever side with the Lannisters? This same bitch lost her husband to them and was so afraid of them she locked herself in their tower with her son. But now she's going to side with her husbands killers and fight against her sisters son?! I call bollocks on that. Imagine instead that GRRM doesn't make Robbs mission impossible by taking everything he realistically should have. Make it a fair fight, by this point with the Karstarks gone, if Robb "wins" it will be very silly. The outcome of the war could have stayed the same but make the Tulleys, and house Arryn and the north fight together to make the numbers be abit more legit.

That ended up in quite the rant, but at this point if Robb wins i will find it to unrealistic and when he's defeated it's been expected for to long.

xavra41
Profile Joined January 2012
United States220 Posts
May 10 2013 01:24 GMT
#16049
Have you guys been watching the same show as me? Sam is NOT courageous. He fails at everything he does. His only strength is that he is literate because he is highborn. He also hasn't grown once as a character. He had one job and failed it, all those men of the Night's Watch died for nothing because of him. He is fucking risking his life for an ugly girl who is using him to take care of her incest baby. Too clumsy and cowardly to be a leader and too weak to be a ranger. He is one of the smartest crows, but that is like being the smartest in your special ed class. I want him to die because this show strives for realism. So many characters have died from smaller mistakes and Sam doesn't deserve to live while the show is so cut throat.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 10 2013 03:31 GMT
#16050
On May 10 2013 10:18 Faceroll52 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 09:26 icystorage wrote:
On May 10 2013 08:55 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I dream of dating a woman spawned of incest. If only!

that's seriously disturbing


He was making fun of the post above.

If Robb dies without getting any revenge done i will lose it. Wich at this point seems to be the direction it's going aswell..
And the reason i feel this way is because it doesn't make any sense. Maybe im speaking to soon on this but Littlefinger is supposed to marry Lisa, and then take up arms against Robb according to Tywin. Now why the fuck would Lisa ever side with the Lannisters? This same bitch lost her husband to them and was so afraid of them she locked herself in their tower with her son. But now she's going to side with her husbands killers and fight against her sisters son?! I call bollocks on that. Imagine instead that GRRM doesn't make Robbs mission impossible by taking everything he realistically should have. Make it a fair fight, by this point with the Karstarks gone, if Robb "wins" it will be very silly. The outcome of the war could have stayed the same but make the Tulleys, and house Arryn and the north fight together to make the numbers be abit more legit.

That ended up in quite the rant, but at this point if Robb wins i will find it to unrealistic and when he's defeated it's been expected for to long.

In defence of the show, they claimed Baelish had a 'way with her', and shes clearly quite crazy. Its not entirely implausible he could manipulate her in some fashion.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 10 2013 04:13 GMT
#16051
speaking of that dragonglass arrow head, i wonder if maybe its also magic-like u know like valairyn(cant spell) steel is meant to be the best cause of some magic with the forging maybe thats why the whitewalkers didnt attack sam at the end of season 2, cause i really wonder why they just walked past him, than again now that im thinking about it. there was that one whitewalker who attacked sam in season 3 u know right before the lord commander came (i miss that guy he was cool )
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 10 2013 06:44 GMT
#16052
On May 10 2013 13:13 Shock710 wrote:
speaking of that dragonglass arrow head, i wonder if maybe its also magic-like u know like valairyn(cant spell) steel is meant to be the best cause of some magic with the forging maybe thats why the whitewalkers didnt attack sam at the end of season 2, cause i really wonder why they just walked past him, than again now that im thinking about it. there was that one whitewalker who attacked sam in season 3 u know right before the lord commander came (i miss that guy he was cool )

That was not a white walker but a zombie (wight).
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 07:20:46
May 10 2013 07:19 GMT
#16053
On May 10 2013 15:44 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 13:13 Shock710 wrote:
speaking of that dragonglass arrow head, i wonder if maybe its also magic-like u know like valairyn(cant spell) steel is meant to be the best cause of some magic with the forging maybe thats why the whitewalkers didnt attack sam at the end of season 2, cause i really wonder why they just walked past him, than again now that im thinking about it. there was that one whitewalker who attacked sam in season 3 u know right before the lord commander came (i miss that guy he was cool )

That was not a white walker but a zombie (wight).

nvm i cant read haha
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4646 Posts
May 10 2013 08:04 GMT
#16054
On May 10 2013 16:19 Resent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 15:44 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 10 2013 13:13 Shock710 wrote:
speaking of that dragonglass arrow head, i wonder if maybe its also magic-like u know like valairyn(cant spell) steel is meant to be the best cause of some magic with the forging maybe thats why the whitewalkers didnt attack sam at the end of season 2, cause i really wonder why they just walked past him, than again now that im thinking about it. there was that one whitewalker who attacked sam in season 3 u know right before the lord commander came (i miss that guy he was cool )

That was not a white walker but a zombie (wight).

nvm i cant read haha


Using two accounts ?
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Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
May 10 2013 08:13 GMT
#16055
huh?
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:13:10
May 10 2013 08:33 GMT
#16056
Sam is gosu in my book, gentle human with a very big heart.

*burp*
KainiT
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria392 Posts
May 10 2013 09:22 GMT
#16057
On May 10 2013 08:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 07:35 KainiT wrote:
On May 10 2013 05:11 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On May 10 2013 04:28 ZasZ. wrote:
On May 10 2013 03:29 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I hate sam because the character is intolerably implausible. There is simply no way he could maintain that level of obesity in the frigid north with little food.


So you'll suspend your disbelief for the sake of dragons, zombies, shadow demons, and resurrection, but not for fat kids?

Wha?
Because its an alternative reality with certain rules. It rules simply differ from our own. No where in the rules of this Universe has it been implied that you can be fat without cause.


Actually there semes to be a "rule" that you do not really have to eat in the world of game of thrones. The wildlings can support a camp of 100k+ people in the north, daenerys and her people can cross the red waste without any kind of preparation,... If you see it that way it is perfectly consistent with the rest of the show :D
I think one should focs on the characters and if there actioning is plausible. Questioning physics(Even if you apply certain rules) will make it hard to enjoy the show.
Whered this magic figure of 100k come from? We have zero idea how many there are, we have zero idea how long they've been prepping to run. You can freeze plenty of kinds of food, and so I dont consider it particularly suprising if a fairly large body of people, having advanced warning, collected and maintained enough of a high protein food to simply sustain themselves for...what? A month, two, three? We dont even know the time frame. It's quite possible that whatever explanation is given will be ridiculous, but thanks to ambiguity there is no way to dismiss it. Sam is fat amongst starving to death nights watchman. That is explicit and there is no ambiguity.

And Daenerys was starving and dieing of thirst [quite a few died] before she got lucky and stumbled into a city. Plenty of people make idiotic excursions into deserts and survive.


First of all, where did they get these goods, that they could have frozen? I always wonder this about the North. Secondly it was said, that the Wildling's army is bigger than any of those in the South. At that point Renly had a 100k army. Of course this was kind of an assumption, but Mance Rayder is supposed to have a pretty good idea.
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zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:40:48
May 10 2013 09:40 GMT
#16058
On May 10 2013 17:33 Parcelleus wrote:
Sam is gosu in my book, gentle human with a very big heart.



He is an annoying, fail version of Hodor.

I would go as far to say as Hodor is smarter than Sam in every way, so what if he can read? Hodor wouldn't run into the wilderness with some random chick to play daddy while surrounded by zombies and cutthroats.

Even when Hodor speaks it sounds smarter than Sam. We don't actually know what Hodor is thinking to confirm he is an imbecile which I can't say for Sam.

edit: Also pretty sure Hodor can light a fire gg
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 10 2013 10:02 GMT
#16059
Of course Sam is not particularly courageous, but he kept his composure during the riot at the incest village. He's also been a good companion to Jon Snow, influencing his decisions such as not abandoning the Night's Watch. If Sam was worthless, he wouldn't be able to have that kind of influence.
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Dwelf
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands365 Posts
May 10 2013 10:56 GMT
#16060
http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/17/goldbugs_in_westeros_house_tyrell_is_richer_than_house_lannister.html

This is a funny series of articles (4 so far), about an economic look on Westeros. As far as I can tell there are no spoilers in it. You should be able to find the other ones linked under this article.
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