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Jubinell
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Jubinell
333 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + As a first impression, its seems House of the Dragon doesn't seem too explosive and thriller-like when compared to its sequel, Game of Thrones. The plot seems rather tepid and slow. Daemon can't decide if he wants to be a bad guy (king and brother-slayer, or a good uncle). But maybe that's all part of the plot, building up to some explosive actions in later episodes (and seasons). Btw here is a nice family tree of the dynasty in case you are confused: ![[image loading]](https://www.scotsman.com/webimg/b25lY21zOmE5MzhjMmI1LWUzZWYtNGY4My04NWFhLTcxMTQ2MjhmMTgzNTo5M2U1OWZlMi1mN2M3LTRhN2EtYTViMC03ZGUwZDY5YTdkNzc=.jpg) | ||
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
my fear is season 2 onward will be over reliant on battle when all I want is character interactions like we've seen so far | ||
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Jubinell
333 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/s2ouzOq.png) + Show Spoiler [Bonus] + ![[image loading]](https://prd-images2-gazzanet.gazzettaobjects.it/a0b3x7VEiwEAJZkA3f9DVOT3D-c=/1200x627/smart/www.derbyderbyderby.it/assets/uploads/202209/a0c1b9ec18982ddbb917fa8f82252925.png) | ||
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Cricketer12
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Jubinell
333 Posts
On September 06 2022 00:33 Cricketer12 wrote: Fail to understand why this is the highest rated ep so far, seems the weakest. + Show Spoiler + Yeah the solo attack by Daemon seems far-fetched. Equally insane was the response of the crab feeders. Send out an entire army to hunt 1 guy?? | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
I liked everytuing but the final battle. The battle felt really dumb and nonsensical. Otherwise, it was a great episode. Hopefully this isn't foreshadowing for future battles to come because yeesh. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
I really liked the final battle. Yes it was silly but I feel like it just cinematically fit what was happening. Matt smith not saying a single word the ep was what made it work for me. It being obvious that the dragon was coming to save him didn't ruin it for me I just feel. I don't think Daemon is just 1 guy though. This is a dragon rider that is suddenly vulnerable enough for a regular person to kill. Take him out and retreat and you've won the greatest battle of the war. They haven't established that there is some sort of jedi mind signal for them to send out to get it to come. He very easily could have died before the dragon got there. And they didn't bother to explain the crab feeder which was great. They explained why they were such an issue and why they were suffering so badly. Him being enraged at this brother having to send help made everyone think this was the only way they were going to win. The way it ends with him just dragging out a part of the crab feeder like a crab and how he looked just worked for me. Rest of the ep was great too. Love the rest of the Velaryon family as well. | ||
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Byo
Canada205 Posts
sort of weird Daemon isn't the dragon rider, some NPC yelling draconus 5 times as the climax just didn't do great with me. Personally watch hotd for surprises and this episode just didn't really have much. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On September 10 2022 03:28 Byo wrote: + Show Spoiler + sort of weird Daemon isn't the dragon rider, some NPC yelling draconus 5 times as the climax just didn't do great with me. Personally watch hotd for surprises and this episode just didn't really have much. + Show Spoiler + not sure i'd call Laenor Velaryon an NPC but they should have given him at least a bit of screentime. I can see how he came out of nowhere. | ||
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Jubinell
333 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
I thought episode 4 was great. The political intrigue is what I tune in for. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On September 12 2022 20:45 Jubinell wrote: Episode 4: bleh...not really know the point of episode. Nothing much happened at all. + Show Spoiler + Not sure how you can really say nothing much happened, there were several pretty big moments that will surely have large impacts on the plot going forward. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On September 12 2022 20:45 Jubinell wrote: Episode 4: bleh...not really know the point of episode. Nothing much happened at all. Hard disagree, best episode so far. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + wickedly tricky scenes to film too. All the city scenes I felt were just about to spin out of control. I felt like they handled the incest well. It's disgusting but apart of the house of the dragon. Even in that it's treated as disgusting as it is by all the normal prople. The struggle of the king balancing out the doubts about if it happened vs what it would mean if it got out. It's an episode that has minimal characters over a day a bight and the day after in a season that jumps years. Can't spend that dragon money every episode. The preview for next week seems like it set up a lot for a huge sucsession crisis. The last scene with the tea was heavy as shit. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
fyi Uncle and niece isnt incest, at least not considered in Germany due to no linear relationship. Marriage is permitted too 😂 at least in that Sense Targaryens are Safe. AS someone being uncle this feels very weird 💀 Best episode for me as well, a Lot of good setups | ||
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Byo
Canada205 Posts
was somewhat foreshadowed in the first episode. Good episode, I think she's going to skip the tea | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
Also shocked at the little boy who was trying to court Rhaenyra and ended up killing that dude who was taunting him...holy shit how does a mini war not break out after that? Presumably they're all really important members of their respective houses | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On September 15 2022 17:27 Shock710 wrote: I cant imagine how gross Alicent must have felt to have this old dude covered in puss sores flopping on top of her...god his back was disgusting. I wonder if this is all from the cut he got on his finger on the throne. I know they showed he lost that finger and the next, but maybe it was too late and now his whole body is infected. Also shocked at the little boy who was trying to court Rhaenyra and ended up killing that dude who was taunting him...holy shit how does a mini war not break out after that? Presumably they're all really important members of their respective houses Viserys constantly gets cut. He's lost 2 fingers already. As for blackwood and bracken...yeah I like the nod but to leave it hanging is weird | ||
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And their families have been feuding before HotD from the age of heroes. It fit well in Rhaenerys story well with how childish she felt everyone was acting but then looked back and was impressed when she saw the boy kill the knight insulting him. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On September 16 2022 09:38 Sermokala wrote: I don't think in world its given any significance other than more random violence between knights like we saw at the tournament. + Show Spoiler + And their families have been feuding before HotD from the age of heroes. It fit well in Rhaenerys story well with how childish she felt everyone was acting but then looked back and was impressed when she saw the boy kill the knight insulting him. + Show Spoiler + I also liked how blackwood boy mentioned Targs are new to Westeros/dont have first men blood, and then later Rhanyera lies in front of a heart tree. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
Holy shit this episode was the best yet. Feels like this is the start to the series and the previous four episodes were just the prologue to introduce the characters. Everything is now connected/intermingled and there are a bunch of sources of conflict | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
Criston being allowed to leave makes no sense, but otherwise great episode | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 19 2022 22:00 Cricketer12 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Criston being allowed to leave makes no sense, but otherwise great episode + Show Spoiler + agreed I'm a huge anti-fan of alicent - knew she would be trouble since the get-go | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
weird getting used to the new characters, still hate alicent, kinda meh on the episode overall but I think it’ll be better after I get used to the new peeps - also amazed that the king is still alive, I thought he’d be dead after episode 2 lol | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
Content of the episode was alright but the timeskip was poorly done I believe. Cutting of events in E5 into full timeskip E6. I guess its alright but it felt weird to me. Took time to find into the series with this skip again. Overall there are also decisions in this episode where I cannot follow or see motivation in any case still high level just pales in comparison to especially E5 | ||
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vitika
13 Posts
And some nice meme I found  )![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdikWdyX0AIKG6X?format=jpg) | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
so did renearya(sp?) plan to have her husband survive, or was that the lover that called an audible? | ||
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Jubinell
333 Posts
On October 03 2022 13:02 emperorchampion wrote: + Show Spoiler + so did renearya(sp?) plan to have her husband survive, or was that the lover that called an audible? I guess we will find out in the next episode. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 03 2022 13:11 Jubinell wrote: Episode 7. OMG Ser L***** haha... I guess we will find out in the next episode. + Show Spoiler + Thinking some more, it kinda seemed like she was trying to tell him about the plan when they talked near the end so I’m thinking she was being “kind” and giving them an out. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
On October 03 2022 14:00 Cricketer12 wrote: Daemon said they needed a witness, that way there could be no doubt the burnt body was laenor's I think Daemon wanted a witness so that there was no doubt who was the murderer. My gut feeling says Rhaenyra planned the whole thing, giving Laenor an out and herself a "better" husband. Daemon thought Rhaenyra was agreeing to murder Laenor, while she organized the details with Qarl and Laenor behind Daemons back. Daemon believes Laenor dead. I don't think Daemon believing Laenor still alive would fit either his character or the scene he had with Qarl. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 05 2022 15:55 Acrofales wrote: I think Daemon wanted a witness so that there was no doubt who was the murderer. My gut feeling says Rhaenyra planned the whole thing, giving Laenor an out and herself a "better" husband. Daemon thought Rhaenyra was agreeing to murder Laenor, while she organized the details with Qarl and Laenor behind Daemons back. Daemon believes Laenor dead. I don't think Daemon believing Laenor still alive would fit either his character or the scene he had with Qarl. Daemon's only consistencies are his love for rhaenyra and need to sexually be in control. I'm honestly not sure what is and isnt in character for him at this point. | ||
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Sermokala
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emperorchampion
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 06 2022 02:29 emperorchampion wrote: Certainly there is no way this plan can go wrong This is quite the departure from the source material, though I can't tell if it's to make Rhaneyra look less evil or to make things more interesting later. | ||
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Jubinell
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Cricketer12
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13849 Posts
The episode before the season finale is historically the best of the season, or at least when the biggest things happen. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 11 2022 07:17 Sermokala wrote: Paddy needs to win an emmy for this performance or there is no justice. The episode before the season finale is historically the best of the season, or at least when the biggest things happen. Did you see bcs at the emmys? We already know theres no justice | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 11 2022 07:17 Sermokala wrote: Paddy needs to win an emmy for this performance or there is no justice. The episode before the season finale is historically the best of the season, or at least when the biggest things happen. Yeah I'm expecting one-eye to start shit next episode | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
On October 12 2022 14:11 emperorchampion wrote: Also alicent getting so baited by having an Aegon and receiving news that was meant for reaneara at the end Well, at the end of the throne room scene, other than Aemond vs the bastards, everybody seemed quite happy and friendly. And Alicent seemed ready to accept Rhaenyra as queen. Something obviously had to change. Mistaking her husband's delirious repetition of prophecy from Aegon I to be new prophecy about their son was exactly what the doctor ordered to ensure the Dance of Dragons starts and is appropriately tragic. | ||
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Jubinell
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
Also I thought the bald one had the right idea of bending the knee in the moment (after all who cares if apparently you can just change your mind later) but why attempt to run. Surely there is going to be a time where they need to go back to their house and organise support. Just wait for that. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 18 2022 21:37 Shock710 wrote: I wonder if we will see any consequences to killing those 3 lords who did not bend the knee for the greens. I get that many of them were scared of immediately dying, but wouldn't their deaths trigger where ever they're from to side with Rhaenyra? What was the plan if they all refused? Also I thought the bald one had the right idea of bending the knee in the moment (after all who cares if apparently you can just change your mind later) but why attempt to run. Surely there is going to be a time where they need to go back to their house and organise support. Just wait for that. Generally you don't fake bend the knee as that's dishonorable and people won't trust you. As for his urgency, he wanted to inform Rhanyera ASAP so she could act. | ||
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Acrofales
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 19 2022 01:29 Acrofales wrote: More to the point, why didn't Rhaenys Drakaris the fuck out of everyone and end the war before it started?! This is my one big issue with the episode (weird theme this season). The writer's explanation is "Rhaenys recognizes Alicent as a mother" which is the dumbest shit ever. Especially since she murdered thousands of innocent commonfolk. Unless it's supposed to be dramatic irony regarding the theme of "when the nobles play their games, the commoner pays the price" (and the writers haven't alluded to this) it's a really stupid scene. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 19 2022 04:33 Cricketer12 wrote: This is my one big issue with the episode (weird theme this season). The writer's explanation is "Rhaenys recognizes Alicent as a mother" which is the dumbest shit ever. Especially since she murdered thousands of innocent commonfolk. Unless it's supposed to be dramatic irony regarding the theme of "when the nobles play their games, the commoner pays the price" (and the writers haven't alluded to this) it's a really stupid scene. Only thing I can think of is they are actually Rhaenys' family members and perhaps she doesn't want to kill even distant members of her family. Also they could have killed Rhaenys in her sleep but they didn't so maybe she is returning the favour. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 19 2022 06:49 Zaros wrote: Only thing I can think of is they are actually Rhaenys' family members and perhaps she doesn't want to kill even distant members of her family. Also they could have killed Rhaenys in her sleep but they didn't so maybe she is returning the favour. She knows there will be a civil war if she doesn't act. The logic seems flimsy unless the insinuation is she truly thinks she can convince Rhanyra to sue for peace (or thinks she can become queen of the ashes) | ||
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StasisField
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Jubinell
333 Posts
On October 19 2022 01:29 Acrofales wrote: More to the point, why didn't Rhaenys Drakaris the fuck out of everyone and end the war before it started?! The (leaked) finale explained it. btw the finale was mind-blowing, jaw-dropping ! not a cliff hanger at all, just a very good ending to the season and setting things in motion for the 2nd. | ||
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Jubinell
333 Posts
Rhaenyra's coronation And Ramin Djawadi knows how to write some good film scores. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
The show overall is pretty good in season 1, but I really dislike basically all the characters except for Viserys (dead), Rhaneara and the sea snake. Leading for my dislike are alicent, the foot fetishist and the never ageing queens guard. It also took a bit more time to get into all the new characters with the time warp half way through. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 25 2022 03:47 emperorchampion wrote: I loved how quickly Aegon changed his tune about being ruler once he saw everyone bowing to him and such. Man he's going to be such a shit ruler hahaha. Also any of the sea snakes decedents seem to be doomed so rip whoever is next in-line now. The show overall is pretty good in season 1, but I really dislike basically all the characters except for Viserys (dead), Rhaneara and the sea snake. Leading for my dislike are alicent, the foot fetishist and the never ageing queens guard. It also took a bit more time to get into all the new characters with the time warp half way through. Odd, I dislike Rhanyera and Larys is my favorite character. Alicent hate also blows my mind. | ||
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farvacola
United States18822 Posts
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Byo
Canada205 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17958 Posts
The chomp was excellent. I am a bit disappointed that Aemond didn't just fully lean into his villainy. He's been taunting his nephews for episodes, considers them bastards and not worthy of the Targaryen name and chases Lucerys on his dragon. It was obvious what was going to happen. But Aemond seemed to regret it, despite courting it, and then initiating the fight. Just lean into the villainy! Conquer the land in the name of your drunken lecherous brother you despise  | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
On October 26 2022 06:34 Acrofales wrote: For the first two episodes I was on Team Rings of Power. Then they both kinda went to sleep for a.few episodes, but Rings of Power stepped it up with the 6th episode being great. But episode 7 was not as good and episode 8 was a decent finale... but House of the Dragon just slowly built up the tension. The time jumps were pretty disjointed, but since they're all adults all of the episodes have been excellent, with last week's and the season finale standing out. Rhaenys' explanation on why no Drakaris is a bit meh, but at least the screenwriters realized they had a gaping plothole and came up with *something*. The chomp was excellent. I am a bit disappointed that Aemond didn't just fully lean into his villainy. He's been taunting his nephews for episodes, considers them bastards and not worthy of the Targaryen name and chases Lucerys on his dragon. It was obvious what was going to happen. But Aemond seemed to regret it, despite courting it, and then initiating the fight. Just lean into the villainy! Conquer the land in the name of your drunken lecherous brother you despise He wanted to troll him but he wasn't stupid. He didn't have the authority to start the war then and there. Rhanyera was considering terms. If not for Aemond she may have sued for peace. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
Like eye for an eye, hes seeing this as justice. Eye for getting chewed up by a dragon...probably not exactly fair. Maybe under different circumstances, he could do the killing blow himself kinda like when they were fighting as kids and he was going to bash their heads in with a rock. But mostly I think hes stunned because first he lost control of his dragon that has to be terrifying and it was the first time it has happened. Then Luke dies a brutal death getting chomped into pieces along with his dragon. That has to be shocking as well. He wants to feel in control as a bully. He also knows killing them in this manner would be so damn stupid so him being dazed at the end is probably also due to feeling "oh fuck i fucked up" But im betting hes going to totally own up to it when he gets back to kings landing and say it was intentional even if it wasnt. | ||
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Byo
Canada205 Posts
Not sure how I feel about the "usage" of the still birth to highlight everyone else's haphazardness to enter into war. I guess it got the job done. Still with the number of children rhanyera has had (some off screen) i just didn't have much emotion to it, usually attached to on screen births. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On October 27 2022 02:39 NarutO wrote: Thats gonna be a long wait until S2 :C That is sad, yea...But we already been waiting for the new seasons of GoT previously, so nothing new At first I was skeptical towards HOTD, but in the end I was hyped, episode 9 was brilliant indeed. Apart from inconsistencies of aging/timelines there were no major flaws it seems. Feels like Ser Criston and Daemon are immortals or something, a wild difference with the how the King aged or some other key characters Outfits are great, setting is awesome, cgi is on par. Hopefully the quality will remain the same or higher, not unlike in s7/s8 or GoT | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Dragons made up for it though. They all look distinct, they all look great and the final episodes conclusion is glorious cinema. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Episode 4 was great, actually making me feel sorry for Aegon. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24900 Posts
On July 10 2024 06:13 Zaros wrote: How are people finding season 2? Episode 4 was great, actually making me feel sorry for Aegon. I’m digging it, ultimately I would have taken a satisfactory end to GoT but I think this is a solid show. It feels a little tighter overall, that there’s a singular main plot arc and a bunch of sub-plots in and around it, rather than a load of interweaving plots. Pacing feels pretty good too, solid all-round | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
Soon I'll start enjoying the show less because it deviates too much from the books, same thing happened with GoT  | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
Theres the major flaw in this "Black vs. Green" conflict in that theyre making Rhaenyra too much of a goody and Aliscent doesn't have much agency. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
The large majority of S2 so far seems to be set-up for S3. I had some ideas in mind for what could be the big battle or event that occurs in episode 8 but now it seems like the big climax is going to be + Show Spoiler + a bunch of new dragon riders Hopefully they go back to 1 season/year in that case. | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
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vitika
13 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On hindsight, I don't understand why Aemond runs away!?? The other dragon riders are inexperienced, one is a drunk T_T | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
each dragon claiming has been different. that kinda shows the dragon's personality. | ||
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namkraft
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Vermithor really reminded me of the T Rex in the first couple of Jurassic Park films, and I liked how he actually ate people. I think that is the first time they have had a dragon eat someone rather than burn them to a crisp, but I might be forgetting something obvious. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
Very interested to see how they will tackle this issue. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On August 01 2024 01:39 Laurens wrote: It was a great episode, but I have no clue how they will manage season 3 now. There are so many great battles to cover unless they depart massively from the source material. Surely they should’ve at least done a few this season to divide the budget. Very interested to see how they will tackle this issue. Came here to ask if this show is worth watching. I loved Game of Thrones seasons 1-5, did not like the rest. We saw what happened with that show once they departed from source material... | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
It's still better than seasons 6-8 of GoT, so definitely worth a watch I would say. You might have to wait 2 years between seasons, so it'll be some years before the story is finished. In fact someone on Reddit claimed that on some HOTD podcast they mentioned going up to 5 seasons now. If true, it would fix some of the issues from my previous post (and introduce some new issues like filler episodes to space out battles), but I couldn't find a source on this. As for deviating from the books: The books are essentially just some grandmaester writing down history. So in the span of 20 pages we get descriptions of 5 big battles involving lots of characters. It's quite challenging to adapt this faithfully. Some characters have been merged or omitted. Some filler has been introduced to set up the battles. All in all I think it is still close enough to the source material. Also, the source material has all been published, so the writers won't take liberties like in GoT seasons 6 onwards. | ||
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Jubinell
333 Posts
 (Hopefully this finale paves way for a great Season 3 | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
My concern for S3 remains. Their 'epic ending' of all armies marching is all well and good, but how will you now show all 5-6 major battles/events that are imminent in just one season? I have very low expectations | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Feels like first few episodes are going to have Kings Landing change hands, a new dragon taming, and some battles in the river lands. Which might be a bit overwhelming, but hopefully they do it justice with 10 episodes next season. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
There are a few story beats that I feel are just being milked for time and it just feels like it. Like the Sheepstealer of it all and the Luigi's mansion subplot. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4539 Posts
On August 07 2024 15:20 lestye wrote: There are a few story beats that I feel are just being milked for time and it just feels like it. Like the Sheepstealer of it all and the Luigi's mansion subplot. Yeah this is what annoyed me as well. Every single episode we had: - Daemon has spooky visions in Harrenhal - Rhaenyra not getting respect from her war council - KL war council disagrees with the king (whether it be Aegon or Aemond) - Sea Snake visits the docks (always the exact same set lmao) - Rhaena chases dragon Cut some of the filler and give us a real pay-off. | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
There was some really good critique I read that like....the politics of this show are "men bad women good" and it makes the main female leads sooo fucking boring because they're not allowed to get their hands dirty and have a nuanced story like in the source material. I agree with that sentiment. Especially the whole marketing of this show is the Black vs. Green of it all but its sooooo biased as the Black faction being the good guys so whatever. Now that you mention it, yeah the Sea Snake dude going to the docks got repetitive but I don't think my brain proccessed it at the time. At least that got kinda a payoff with that bastard son dude calling his father out in the last episode. | ||
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