On August 05 2009 07:22 thunk wrote:
It'll just be 500 chapters of punching a log.
It'll just be 500 chapters of punching a log.
I would read this, have you read/watched ippo?
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ccou
United States681 Posts
August 05 2009 12:02 GMT
#1621
On August 05 2009 07:22 thunk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2009 07:20 D10 wrote: I agree, they should rename the anime Rock Lee and start again. It'll just be 500 chapters of punching a log. I would read this, have you read/watched ippo? | ||
BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
August 05 2009 12:37 GMT
#1622
On August 05 2009 08:05 travis wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2009 07:36 EvoChamber wrote: + Show Spoiler + But apparently it's only Danzo's right side and right eye. There's no reason why Madara couldn't have taken Shisui's other eye. On August 05 2009 04:35 BisuBoi wrote: Is anyone else here annoyed that the entire Naruto series is being solved by deus ex machina in the form of the sharingan? Sers, these godlike eye techniques are beyond ridiculous. I'm a big fan of the series, but if they wanted to make it all about eye hypnosis then he should have just made all ninjas fight with eye hypnosis. What's the point of building up badasses like Rock Lee, Gaara, Kimimaro, Zabuza etc, just to make them all completely irrelevant because someone was born with an eye? Oh that's right, because the one person who can take on these godlike figures is the bumbling Naruto, who was born with a demon inside him and is the son of the 4th. It starts to get annoying when an entire world and story is created just to continually make one character look cooler. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. The only non-Naruto character who's had any significant development since the timeskip has been Shikamaru. uh, probably because it's very rare for ninjas to become as badass as naruto does, so the side characters become somewhat irrelevant i don't see the problem and how is gaara irrelevant? and how was zabuza irrelevant? hell how are any of them irrelevant? kimimaro wasn't irrelevant he was just dying because he was sick, even orochimaru said straight up that he would prefer to have kimimaro's body than sasuke's if he wasn't going to die. clearly sharingan is badass. and clearly it is a large part of the storyline (which is probably why so many characters have it....) but it certainly doesn't render everything else irrelevant. none of the hokages have had eye techniques(as far as we know). neither did jiraiya, orochimaru. neither does sasuke's hawk buddies. nor does killerbee. should I go on and on? Many many episodes and manga chapters were spent telling us the history and background of these characters, for what? As a consumer of the entertainment, I expect my investment of time and interest to have a payoff. To waste my time getting to know all these characters only to have them utterly disappear for the last year or so, yeah I would think there's something wrong with that. And Travis, why are you trying to argue about they eye techniques? It's established that they're supreme to all others, with the first hokage having the ultimate eye technique beyond sharingan. This isn't a debate. It's been flat out stated in the manga. Except there's nothing really satisfying about setting up the Naruto universe this way. People are born with this supreme power and it puts them above all others. Then ofc, towards the end of the series we will see all these magnificently supreme eye techniques laid low by the perseverance, courage, and heart of one bumbling stupid, yet compassionate and generous Uzumaki Naruto. If you can't foresee this pathetically corny end coming to the series, then I'm not sure what to say. It seems very clear to me that the series will end in this way, it will be annoying and cheesy, and I will be pissed that I've spent six or seven years following it. Yes, you can call me an idiot for whining and continuing to follow the series. I am aware of how idiosyncratic my behavior is. But sers, the series is annoying. It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. | ||
BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
August 05 2009 12:38 GMT
#1623
On August 05 2009 20:39 Slaughter)BiO wrote: One thing that is kinda dumb is this new shadow clone training.... He can basically train for 1 year with 1000 clones and then he gets like 1000 years worth of training? He has the potential with this to become way way op. DBZ Hyperbaric chamber = Naruto Shadow clones | ||
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
August 05 2009 13:21 GMT
#1624
On August 05 2009 21:37 BisuBoi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2009 08:05 travis wrote: On August 05 2009 07:36 EvoChamber wrote: + Show Spoiler + But apparently it's only Danzo's right side and right eye. There's no reason why Madara couldn't have taken Shisui's other eye. On August 05 2009 04:35 BisuBoi wrote: Is anyone else here annoyed that the entire Naruto series is being solved by deus ex machina in the form of the sharingan? Sers, these godlike eye techniques are beyond ridiculous. I'm a big fan of the series, but if they wanted to make it all about eye hypnosis then he should have just made all ninjas fight with eye hypnosis. What's the point of building up badasses like Rock Lee, Gaara, Kimimaro, Zabuza etc, just to make them all completely irrelevant because someone was born with an eye? Oh that's right, because the one person who can take on these godlike figures is the bumbling Naruto, who was born with a demon inside him and is the son of the 4th. It starts to get annoying when an entire world and story is created just to continually make one character look cooler. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. The only non-Naruto character who's had any significant development since the timeskip has been Shikamaru. uh, probably because it's very rare for ninjas to become as badass as naruto does, so the side characters become somewhat irrelevant i don't see the problem and how is gaara irrelevant? and how was zabuza irrelevant? hell how are any of them irrelevant? kimimaro wasn't irrelevant he was just dying because he was sick, even orochimaru said straight up that he would prefer to have kimimaro's body than sasuke's if he wasn't going to die. clearly sharingan is badass. and clearly it is a large part of the storyline (which is probably why so many characters have it....) but it certainly doesn't render everything else irrelevant. none of the hokages have had eye techniques(as far as we know). neither did jiraiya, orochimaru. neither does sasuke's hawk buddies. nor does killerbee. should I go on and on? Many many episodes and manga chapters were spent telling us the history and background of these characters, for what? As a consumer of the entertainment, I expect my investment of time and interest to have a payoff. To waste my time getting to know all these characters only to have them utterly disappear for the last year or so, yeah I would think there's something wrong with that. And Travis, why are you trying to argue about they eye techniques? It's established that they're supreme to all others, with the first hokage having the ultimate eye technique beyond sharingan. This isn't a debate. It's been flat out stated in the manga. Except there's nothing really satisfying about setting up the Naruto universe this way. People are born with this supreme power and it puts them above all others. Then ofc, towards the end of the series we will see all these magnificently supreme eye techniques laid low by the perseverance, courage, and heart of one bumbling stupid, yet compassionate and generous Uzumaki Naruto. If you can't foresee this pathetically corny end coming to the series, then I'm not sure what to say. It seems very clear to me that the series will end in this way, it will be annoying and cheesy, and I will be pissed that I've spent six or seven years following it. Yes, you can call me an idiot for whining and continuing to follow the series. I am aware of how idiosyncratic my behavior is. But sers, the series is annoying. It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. ? None of the Hokages have ever had an eye technique. The supreme eye thing is the one pain had (and that sage guy who created ninjas or w/e) and that is appears once every many many years and its user just got beat. The sharingan and the backugan both had entire clans who had them so they aren't THAT special. In fact the backugan isn't THAT special and op. The sharingan in itself is not that op as well. It takes special people with work/pain to awaken the highest levels of it which is why very few had it. | ||
Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
August 05 2009 13:25 GMT
#1625
Spoilers :O nooooo | ||
Mongery
892 Posts
August 05 2009 14:07 GMT
#1626
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BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
August 05 2009 18:10 GMT
#1627
On August 05 2009 22:21 Slaughter)BiO wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2009 21:37 BisuBoi wrote: On August 05 2009 08:05 travis wrote: On August 05 2009 07:36 EvoChamber wrote: + Show Spoiler + But apparently it's only Danzo's right side and right eye. There's no reason why Madara couldn't have taken Shisui's other eye. On August 05 2009 04:35 BisuBoi wrote: Is anyone else here annoyed that the entire Naruto series is being solved by deus ex machina in the form of the sharingan? Sers, these godlike eye techniques are beyond ridiculous. I'm a big fan of the series, but if they wanted to make it all about eye hypnosis then he should have just made all ninjas fight with eye hypnosis. What's the point of building up badasses like Rock Lee, Gaara, Kimimaro, Zabuza etc, just to make them all completely irrelevant because someone was born with an eye? Oh that's right, because the one person who can take on these godlike figures is the bumbling Naruto, who was born with a demon inside him and is the son of the 4th. It starts to get annoying when an entire world and story is created just to continually make one character look cooler. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. The only non-Naruto character who's had any significant development since the timeskip has been Shikamaru. uh, probably because it's very rare for ninjas to become as badass as naruto does, so the side characters become somewhat irrelevant i don't see the problem and how is gaara irrelevant? and how was zabuza irrelevant? hell how are any of them irrelevant? kimimaro wasn't irrelevant he was just dying because he was sick, even orochimaru said straight up that he would prefer to have kimimaro's body than sasuke's if he wasn't going to die. clearly sharingan is badass. and clearly it is a large part of the storyline (which is probably why so many characters have it....) but it certainly doesn't render everything else irrelevant. none of the hokages have had eye techniques(as far as we know). neither did jiraiya, orochimaru. neither does sasuke's hawk buddies. nor does killerbee. should I go on and on? Many many episodes and manga chapters were spent telling us the history and background of these characters, for what? As a consumer of the entertainment, I expect my investment of time and interest to have a payoff. To waste my time getting to know all these characters only to have them utterly disappear for the last year or so, yeah I would think there's something wrong with that. And Travis, why are you trying to argue about they eye techniques? It's established that they're supreme to all others, with the first hokage having the ultimate eye technique beyond sharingan. This isn't a debate. It's been flat out stated in the manga. Except there's nothing really satisfying about setting up the Naruto universe this way. People are born with this supreme power and it puts them above all others. Then ofc, towards the end of the series we will see all these magnificently supreme eye techniques laid low by the perseverance, courage, and heart of one bumbling stupid, yet compassionate and generous Uzumaki Naruto. If you can't foresee this pathetically corny end coming to the series, then I'm not sure what to say. It seems very clear to me that the series will end in this way, it will be annoying and cheesy, and I will be pissed that I've spent six or seven years following it. Yes, you can call me an idiot for whining and continuing to follow the series. I am aware of how idiosyncratic my behavior is. But sers, the series is annoying. It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. ? None of the Hokages have ever had an eye technique. The supreme eye thing is the one pain had (and that sage guy who created ninjas or w/e) and that is appears once every many many years and its user just got beat. The sharingan and the backugan both had entire clans who had them so they aren't THAT special. In fact the backugan isn't THAT special and op. The sharingan in itself is not that op as well. It takes special people with work/pain to awaken the highest levels of it which is why very few had it. Yeah, you're right. I stand corrected. I meant to say the first sage ninja guy with the rinnegan. | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
August 05 2009 19:24 GMT
#1628
On August 05 2009 21:37 BisuBoi wrote: It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. Apparently you didn't get the giant commentary on society about vendetta. Sasuke's vendetta, naruto's vendetta, pain's vendetta, Tobi's vendetta. I guess Masashi Kishimoto is definitely still harping on the same stupid lesson. and you are very truely really tiresome. | ||
TealLurker
United States791 Posts
August 05 2009 19:34 GMT
#1629
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
August 05 2009 20:27 GMT
#1630
On August 05 2009 20:39 Slaughter)BiO wrote: One thing that is kinda dumb is this new shadow clone training.... He can basically train for 1 year with 1000 clones and then he gets like 1000 years worth of training? He has the potential with this to become way way op. He already did become way way op..think about how weak he was ~1 year ago | ||
BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
August 05 2009 20:44 GMT
#1631
On August 06 2009 04:24 rei wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2009 21:37 BisuBoi wrote: It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. Apparently you didn't get the giant commentary on society about vendetta. Sasuke's vendetta, naruto's vendetta, pain's vendetta, Tobi's vendetta. I guess Masashi Kishimoto is definitely still harping on the same stupid lesson. and you are very truely really tiresome. WOW what a GIANT commentary!! Revenge is destructive?? So deep!! I'm sure this has never ever been done in Asian entertainment before...You are very truly really intellectual. | ||
tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
August 05 2009 20:54 GMT
#1632
You all seem to be forgetting that this is a shonen series. The protagonist will always triumph with the power of his heart and soul, however senseless the damn idea is. The whole premise of shonen is to introduce these horribly powerful baddies, then have them eventually lose to the young protagonist discovering his true inner power and preaching some kind of inspirational message about being yourself. I don't like that kind of bullshit, so I avoid shonen. You people apparently like it, so just remember that you signed up for the lessons when you started watching the show. | ||
EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
August 05 2009 21:27 GMT
#1633
On August 06 2009 05:54 tirentu wrote: Disclaimer: I have always avoided Naruto like the plague, yet I am reading this thread because I am bored. You all seem to be forgetting that this is a shonen series. The protagonist will always triumph with the power of his heart and soul, however senseless the damn idea is. The whole premise of shonen is to introduce these horribly powerful baddies, then have them eventually lose to the young protagonist discovering his true inner power and preaching some kind of inspirational message about being yourself. I don't like that kind of bullshit, so I avoid shonen. You people apparently like it, so just remember that you signed up for the lessons when you started watching the show. Dragonball was not about character, at least after the beginning. It was about getting and using power. Same with Bleach. Naruto is mostly about character, and so your lazy and dismissive comments aren't totally inaccurate when applied to it. All the same, you should probably stick to posting about things you know and care about, since you might actually contribute something to the discussion then. | ||
Antifate
United States415 Posts
August 05 2009 21:57 GMT
#1634
![]() Spoilers for the next chapter + Show Spoiler + More eyejutsu bullshit. Mizukage bodyguard guy has a Byakugan, and he sees that Danzou's sharingan is the same as Uchiha Shisui's. Danzou's sharingan let's him manipulate people's minds, hence why he was nominated for leader. Sasuke and Zetsu show up at the end. Man, Kishi can not get away from this eyejutsu nonsense. ![]() | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
August 05 2009 22:00 GMT
#1635
On August 05 2009 21:37 BisuBoi wrote: Yes, you can call me an idiot for whining and continuing to follow the series. I am aware of how idiosyncratic my behavior is. But sers, the series is annoying. It seems to be one giant commentary on society and about how people shouldn't look down on others. And it doesn't matter how talented/smart/beautiful you are, that's what you're born with. What matters is how hard you try etc etc ad nauseam. We got the point of this message by the end of the chuunin exams. The fact that Toriyama is still harping on this same stupid lesson is really tiresome. WOW what a GIANT commentary!! Look down on others is bad?? So deep!! I'm sure this has never ever been done in Asian entertainment before...You are very truly really intellectual. | ||
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
August 05 2009 23:53 GMT
#1636
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
August 06 2009 00:04 GMT
#1637
On August 06 2009 08:53 Slaughter)BiO wrote: Hmm so he gave another char an eye tech? Well at least its the weak one. I was never impressed by the hyuga clan. They NEVER showed any skills but great eye sight and a special form of taijutsu. They just seemed so limited. It does start to seem that he is setting up all the main players has either having an eye tech or a beast. It's cause Neji was so angsty when he fought naurto, he just doesn't seem that impressive of a bloodline limit. | ||
Jayme
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2009 00:09 GMT
#1638
On August 06 2009 08:53 Slaughter)BiO wrote: Hmm so he gave another char an eye tech? Well at least its the weak one. I was never impressed by the hyuga clan. They NEVER showed any skills but great eye sight and a special form of taijutsu. They just seemed so limited. It does start to seem that he is setting up all the main players has either having an eye tech or a beast. They are only limited because the clan is retarded. The Byakugan in the hands of a completely unhindered ninja (IE one that does all forms of it instead of just stupid Jyuuken) would be a real force to be reckoned with. The Sharingan is freakishly overpowered though, even the three tomoe'd variation is ridiculous. You could make a case that the Mangekyou is "rare" but it seems that any Uchiha of import has it so that goes right out the window. | ||
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
August 06 2009 00:16 GMT
#1639
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BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
August 06 2009 00:21 GMT
#1640
On August 06 2009 09:09 Jayme wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2009 08:53 Slaughter)BiO wrote: Hmm so he gave another char an eye tech? Well at least its the weak one. I was never impressed by the hyuga clan. They NEVER showed any skills but great eye sight and a special form of taijutsu. They just seemed so limited. It does start to seem that he is setting up all the main players has either having an eye tech or a beast. They are only limited because the clan is retarded. The Byakugan in the hands of a completely unhindered ninja (IE one that does all forms of it instead of just stupid Jyuuken) would be a real force to be reckoned with. The Sharingan is freakishly overpowered though, even the three tomoe'd variation is ridiculous. You could make a case that the Mangekyou is "rare" but it seems that any Uchiha of import has it so that goes right out the window. Exactly, they keep hyping these eye techniques to be once in a generation type things, then everywhere you look, people got a fuckin sharingan or rennigan or byakugan! It gets really damn old after awhile. Great. You have cool contacts. Now can we get back to actual ninja clans with tons of diff techniques rather than this constant eye technique bs? The show was way cooler when there were all kinds of diff fights going on, like puppets, wind fans, crazy sand shields, then some sharingan, Rock Lee's gates (supersaiyan), Naruto's demon form, juuken, shino's insect swarms, the ice mirror needles, etc etc. All the fights were different and cool. Now it seems like every damn fight is just some stupid "MY EYE DOES THIS" and it destroys everything else. Sers, wtf kind of power was God Pain? Hi, I have super kill everything shield that I can use like every 2 seconds. That's not interesting at all. Then there are the wtf genjutsus that are really boring to see. Mangekyou sharingan? It's literally two people stare at each other, then one guy falls over dead/tortured/etc. Wow. Fantastic. NOT. Or the other one, spontaneously burst into black flames that consume all of you and it can't be put out. What is this, Superman heat ray vision? The abilities aren't interesting anymore. They're plain boring to see. And as if a technique is gained by killing a loved one. Does that even make sense? More rubbish made purely for the sake of dramatizing. I understand it's fantasy, but so much of the later plot developments have just been needless tugging on heart strings and plot sutures to make all these mysteries make sense. When a mystery's been kept up for 4 years, yeah I'm going to be pissed when the explanation is all about some stupid eye technique. | ||
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