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On October 03 2012 00:33 Confuse wrote:Well its not a clone. There's a reason they used 2 panels to show Obito seeing Rin die, it's because that's his eye in Kakashi that he could see the future. We need answers next week 
That wasn't the future, that was obito seeing rin die through kakashi's sharingan. You know, it's his eye, shared vision and all that stuff
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Maybe Kakashi's resuscitating Rin like Neo did in the Matrix (chidori to the heart), but was disrupted by Obito. She then dies and there's nothing he can say to make Obito realize he screwed things up.
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On October 02 2012 22:21 Rob-Zero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 22:17 NoeLZ wrote:
My best guess would be that Rin was a spy from kirigakure, which would make sense if we assume it was actually madara controlling 4th mizukage and not tobi. Not quite sure if it fits in the time exactly but i dont think kakashi was under the controll of a genjustu because he was crying. Oh yeah, you are right, Kakashi seems to cry, hmm, if that is the case, then he is no clone i think... damn, waiting another week for answers
also rin's expression is closer to sadness than it is of horror. her eyebrows are down, and her face is in a frown, not open in terror or pain. similarly, kakashi's expression in the last panels show resolve, not regret.
I highly doubt that madara would have used a genjustu to convince his pawns, especially of the Uchiha. He seems to honestly believe in his plan, so to trick his family into helping him seems quite out of character
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On October 03 2012 02:52 gods_basement wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 22:21 Rob-Zero wrote:On October 02 2012 22:17 NoeLZ wrote:
My best guess would be that Rin was a spy from kirigakure, which would make sense if we assume it was actually madara controlling 4th mizukage and not tobi. Not quite sure if it fits in the time exactly but i dont think kakashi was under the controll of a genjustu because he was crying. Oh yeah, you are right, Kakashi seems to cry, hmm, if that is the case, then he is no clone i think... damn, waiting another week for answers also rin's expression is closer to sadness than it is of horror. her eyebrows are down, and her face is in a frown, not open in terror or pain. similarly, kakashi's expression in the last panels show resolve, not regret. I highly doubt that madara would have used a genjustu to convince his pawns, especially of the Uchiha. He seems to honestly believe in his plan, so to trick his family into helping him seems quite out of character
He was part of the massacre wasn't he?
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look at obitos hair there, definitely him in the uchiha massacre
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Is it just me, or does Kishi just draw something compelling for the last page to keep us interested... before he thinks of what actually happens?
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On October 03 2012 07:33 Brutaxilos wrote:
Is it just me, or does Kishi just draw something compelling for the last page to keep us interested... before he thinks of what actually happens?
that's usually how it goes in naruto and bleach
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this last chapter made no sense whatsoever... sigh
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Okay, so we know Kakashi's not a clone, because he was crying at the end. There would be no need to show this unless it was the real Kakashi. If it isn't then we're just seeing more trolling to an epic degree.
Rin's not a clone, because Kakashi is crying. He wouldn't cry if he knew that it wasn't Rin, and Rin would still be alive if it was just a clone.
So, we can assume that Kakashi was most likely forced to kill Rin, because there's not really another reason for Kakashi using his best jutsu (designed to only to kill) unless he had to.
Rin could have been controlled by some other ninja, or somehow by Madara himself (kind of a stretch, but wouldn't be surprising).
She could have been a traitor all along, but that doesn't make sense because, again, Kakashi killed her (when Kakashi is badass strong ninja) when he could have captured her.
Obito could be under some sort of genjutsu, but then that would mean that Rin didn't actually die.
I actually see no other way it could work other than Rin being controlled and Kakashi forced to kill her. Even then, I see no ninja around and Kakashi doesn't seem to think there's anyone around either. And if there is someone controlling her, then they'd probably come out after and take out Kakashi. I don't think this is a personal attack on Rin, rather a fight with another village.
.......Okay, I see no way that this scenario makes any sense.
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Has there ever been any proof that Rin is infact dead besides Obito's quote? I can honestly forsee maybe in a few months, Rin showing up to a battle out of nowhere.
If Obito can survive, so can Rin.
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obito is probably under a genjustu
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On October 03 2012 09:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Has there ever been any proof that Rin is infact dead besides Obito's quote? I can honestly forsee maybe in a few months, Rin showing up to a battle out of nowhere.
If Obito can survive, so can Rin.
nothing besides, kakashi saying " all of my friends are dead" to sasuke pretimeskip, but I think it's safe to assume she's dead. Only question is if it happened before this incident/that actually is rin and obito is under genjutsu?
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If it was a mistranslation, Kishi would already told us a few chapters ago that Kakashi killed Rin, so there was no point for this chapter's shocking revelation.
I believe that either it was Madara's plan or It was a reference to Kakashi's father (when he save his friends instead of completing the mission)
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On October 03 2012 02:52 gods_basement wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 22:21 Rob-Zero wrote:On October 02 2012 22:17 NoeLZ wrote:
My best guess would be that Rin was a spy from kirigakure, which would make sense if we assume it was actually madara controlling 4th mizukage and not tobi. Not quite sure if it fits in the time exactly but i dont think kakashi was under the controll of a genjustu because he was crying. Oh yeah, you are right, Kakashi seems to cry, hmm, if that is the case, then he is no clone i think... damn, waiting another week for answers also rin's expression is closer to sadness than it is of horror. her eyebrows are down, and her face is in a frown, not open in terror or pain. similarly, kakashi's expression in the last panels show resolve, not regret. I highly doubt that madara would have used a genjustu to convince his pawns, especially of the Uchiha. He seems to honestly believe in his plan, so to trick his family into helping him seems quite out of character
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On October 03 2012 08:51 Dark_Chill wrote:
Okay, so we know Kakashi's not a clone, because he was crying at the end. There would be no need to show this unless it was the real Kakashi. If it isn't then we're just seeing more trolling to an epic degree.
Rin's not a clone, because Kakashi is crying. He wouldn't cry if he knew that it wasn't Rin, and Rin would still be alive if it was just a clone.
So, we can assume that Kakashi was most likely forced to kill Rin, because there's not really another reason for Kakashi using his best jutsu (designed to only to kill) unless he had to.
Rin could have been controlled by some other ninja, or somehow by Madara himself (kind of a stretch, but wouldn't be surprising).
She could have been a traitor all along, but that doesn't make sense because, again, Kakashi killed her (when Kakashi is badass strong ninja) when he could have captured her.
Going along your thoughts, is it possible Kakashi did something similar to what we saw Kisame do in his flashback? Maybe Rin and Kakashi were cornered, and rather than have Rin tortured and divulge whatever village secrets she knew to the enemy, he forced himself to kill her instead.
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She saw Kakashis face without the mask and he couldn´t let her live because of that.
Just kidding.
It was a practical joke gone wrong. "Hey Rin, do you have a heart attack?" "No" "Think again" *impale*
The joke was so hilariously funny Rin was speechless and died.
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There's been times where an enemy ninja can use a mind body tranfer jutsu. Maybe as kakashi was about to kill off the last mist ninja the enemy jumped into rin when rin let her guard down (its 2v1, girls do this in mangas, etc) and kakashi had no other choice.
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On October 03 2012 09:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Has there ever been any proof that Rin is infact dead besides Obito's quote? I can honestly forsee maybe in a few months, Rin showing up to a battle out of nowhere.
If Obito can survive, so can Rin.
kakashi has stated multiple times that all his friends are dead but other than that there isn't any real evidence
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On October 03 2012 09:31 Sigrun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:51 Dark_Chill wrote:
Okay, so we know Kakashi's not a clone, because he was crying at the end. There would be no need to show this unless it was the real Kakashi. If it isn't then we're just seeing more trolling to an epic degree.
Rin's not a clone, because Kakashi is crying. He wouldn't cry if he knew that it wasn't Rin, and Rin would still be alive if it was just a clone.
So, we can assume that Kakashi was most likely forced to kill Rin, because there's not really another reason for Kakashi using his best jutsu (designed to only to kill) unless he had to.
Rin could have been controlled by some other ninja, or somehow by Madara himself (kind of a stretch, but wouldn't be surprising).
She could have been a traitor all along, but that doesn't make sense because, again, Kakashi killed her (when Kakashi is badass strong ninja) when he could have captured her. Going along your thoughts, is it possible Kakashi did something similar to what we saw Kisame do in his flashback? Maybe Rin and Kakashi were cornered, and rather than have Rin tortured and divulge whatever village secrets she knew to the enemy, he forced himself to kill her instead.
Doesn't explain why no other ninja is around, and why Kakashi didn't kill himself as well. It also goes against what Obito left to him (comradez are inportant yo), so Kakashi would have to have been forced.
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