EPT[Manga] Naruto - Page 26
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Warrior Madness
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freelander
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lesser_good
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On January 03 2009 03:22 avilo wrote: people still watch naruto after all the filler bs? i'm amazed, it was good, but as most shows, it began to suck until it eventually does suck completely. sounds like naruto is cloning himself more? how original, it's not like he has been doing this the past 200 episodes... There are no fillers in the manga though and I don't think the anime have caught up to it yet either so everyone here discusses the manga. (Aka not the thing you watch on TV) | ||
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StarN
United States2587 Posts
On January 03 2009 03:34 Warrior Madness wrote: Spoiler alert: I hope Naruto gets his ass kicked by Pein. The combined power of Jiryai, ma & pa killed off three of his clones, which Pein quickly revived effortlessly. Naruto pisses me off. After a day of training he's suddenly more powerful than any hokage who ever lived?! Who does he think he is? Goku? And Goku had the hyperbolic time chamber let's not forget. Sasuke? Had to cheat and train really hard. His brilliant strategic thinking and powerful bloodline weren't enough to overcome his enemies. He needed the cursed seal. And even then he only barely beat by a hair (via elimination race) other S-Class opponents (At least Deidara). For the main character, Naruto's development has been the shittiest by far. I'd rather have Shikimaru as the main. Anyways, I forget where the point of this post was headed because I got distracted by my own DBZ anaologies. Oh yeah, I hope Naruto gets his ass kicked. Hard. Gai and the rest of the ninjas should swoop in to save the day. That and Kakashi looks REALLY dead. Are you saying that Shikamaru had better development than Naruto? The guy is an intellectual genius, I haven't seen him once train for anything (cause he doesn't need/want to). And as far as character development, how much different has Shikamaru become from the start of the series to now (as opposed to Naruto)? Naruto trained damn hard to get to where he was. Pretty much half the entire first season was him training to get to the next level each time. And at the start of the Shippuuden series he was pretty damn strong to begin with and still had to train hard in order to get to the point where he could defeat Kakuzu. He didn't become stronger than any Hokage that ever lived through one day of training (in fact, I disagree with you in that he probably isn't stronger than any hokage that ever lived. He's definitely still probably weaker in a lot of areas than the Fourth and the Third, and probably the first two as well. Tsunade just sucks compared to the other four Hokages in general) The training with the toads just supplemented his already strong abilities which pushed him to the next level which allows him to be on equal footing with Jiraiya and Pein and such. (Just cause the other elder toads hinted that he's become stronger than anybody before him, doesn't mean that it is necessarily true) I get that you don't like Naruto as the main character, and you're entitled to that opinion, but your support for your claim certainly does not justify much. I hope I have not offended you in any way. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On January 03 2009 03:34 Warrior Madness wrote: Spoiler alert: I hope Naruto gets his ass kicked by Pein. The combined power of Jiryai, ma & pa killed off three of his clones, which Pein quickly revived effortlessly. Naruto pisses me off. After a day of training he's suddenly more powerful than any hokage who ever lived?! Who does he think he is? Goku? And Goku had the hyperbolic time chamber let's not forget. Sasuke? Had to cheat and train really hard. His brilliant strategic thinking and powerful bloodline weren't enough to overcome his enemies. He needed the cursed seal. And even then he only barely beat by a hair (via elimination race) other S-Class opponents (At least Deidara). For the main character, Naruto's development has been the shittiest by far. I'd rather have Shikimaru as the main. Anyways, I forget where the point of this post was headed because I got distracted by my own DBZ anaologies. Oh yeah, I hope Naruto gets his ass kicked. Hard. Gai and the rest of the ninjas should swoop in to save the day. That and Kakashi looks REALLY dead. dude it's been way more than a day, naruto is all grown up and shit now and isn't the entire point of the series that naruto is a gigantic badass? | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On January 03 2009 04:01 StarN wrote: Are you saying that Shikamaru had better development than Naruto? The guy is an intellectual genius, I haven't seen him once train for anything (cause he doesn't need/want to). And as far as character development, how much different has Shikamaru become from the start of the series to now (as opposed to Naruto)? Naruto trained damn hard to get to where he was. Pretty much half the entire first season was him training to get to the next level each time. And at the start of the Shippuuden series he was pretty damn strong to begin with and still had to train hard in order to get to the point where he could defeat Kakuzu. He didn't become stronger than any Hokage that ever lived through one day of training (in fact, I disagree with you in that he probably isn't stronger than any hokage that ever lived. He's definitely still probably weaker in a lot of areas than the Fourth and the Third, and probably the first two as well. Tsunade just sucks compared to the other four Hokages in general) The training with the toads just supplemented his already strong abilities which pushed him to the next level which allows him to be on equal footing with Jiraiya and Pein and such. (Just cause the other elder toads hinted that he's become stronger than anybody before him, doesn't mean that it is necessarily true) I get that you don't like Naruto as the main character, and you're entitled to that opinion, but your support for your claim certainly does not justify much. I hope I have not offended you in any way. True. Naruto isnt stronger than past hokages. He just surpassed them in some aspects, that is, in learning faster and getting better than them in some points (becoming sage or using that rasengan with wind attack). But in no way is he stronger than Jiraya or the fourth, that's hilarious. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
-he is regenerating thx for the fox -has much more chakra -has better stamina -has better KO attack (rasen shuriken >> big rasengan, and as I wrote before, I think he learnt throwing the rasen shuriken) he probably knows much less techniques, has less experience and dumber, but the aforementioned things can make up for these shortcomings | ||
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fanatacist
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On January 03 2009 04:36 freelander wrote: I think he is stronger then Jiraya because: -he is regenerating thx for the fox -has much more chakra -has better stamina -has better KO attack (rasen shuriken >> big rasengan, and as I wrote before, I think he learnt throwing the rasen shuriken) he probably knows much less techniques, has less experience and dumber, but the aforementioned things can make up for these shortcomings I do not recall any chapter where they say he learned to throw the rasenshuriken, if he did that would be major ownage. But I doubt it. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
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fanatacist
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On January 03 2009 08:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: What happened to the big rasengan? He doesn't even use it anymore, seems kinda pointless >=[. He might use it since he felt the effects of rasenshuriken, but knowing him I kind of doubt it. The problem with oodama (I think that was the word) rasengan is that it is logistically too difficult, it requires two bodies to attack simultaneously, and to be honest Naruto tends to have a hard enough time landing it from one body. That might change due to sage mode, but I don't know. If he stops using both techniques, you can think of them as just a progression of power... Like he is levelling up to the next big thing. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
On January 03 2009 08:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: I know right, he uses it ONCE to defeat Yuura/Fake Itachi, then never ever uses it again.What happened to the big rasengan? He doesn't even use it anymore, seems kinda pointless >=[. Oodama Rasengan ftw | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
dude it's been way more than a day, naruto is all grown up and shit now and isn't the entire point of the series that naruto is a gigantic badass? I meant his latest power boost. Training to learn "sage mode". In the latest chapter, + Show Spoiler + he comes back to leaf and KOs one of Pein's clones in the face without much effort. On January 03 2009 04:01 StarN wrote: Are you saying that Shikamaru had better development than Naruto? The guy is an intellectual genius, I haven't seen him once train for anything (cause he doesn't need/want to). And as far as character development, how much different has Shikamaru become from the start of the series to now (as opposed to Naruto)? Naruto trained damn hard to get to where he was. Pretty much half the entire first season was him training to get to the next level each time. And at the start of the Shippuuden series he was pretty damn strong to begin with and still had to train hard in order to get to the point where he could defeat Kakuzu. He didn't become stronger than any Hokage that ever lived through one day of training (in fact, I disagree with you in that he probably isn't stronger than any hokage that ever lived. He's definitely still probably weaker in a lot of areas than the Fourth and the Third, and probably the first two as well. Tsunade just sucks compared to the other four Hokages in general) The training with the toads just supplemented his already strong abilities which pushed him to the next level which allows him to be on equal footing with Jiraiya and Pein and such. (Just cause the other elder toads hinted that he's become stronger than anybody before him, doesn't mean that it is necessarily true) I get that you don't like Naruto as the main character, and you're entitled to that opinion, but your support for your claim certainly does not justify much. I hope I have not offended you in any way. Okay Shikimaru was a poor example. But he's way more interesting than Naruto imo. And, his development parallels Naruto's in that they both haven't changed that much. Naruto learned ONE freakin jutsu from the beginning of the series, and as the series progressed Naruto's development has been the same. It can basically be summed up as: Step 1: "Plot Induced Stupidity" gimmick that makes Naruto 3x more powerful in a day or two, Step 2: bigger, larger, rasengan. I think the height of the series was around the Zabuza/Chunnin Exam-Sand attack arc. Lots of development here (And I really liked the fights here, they were brilliant i.e. how Naruto came up with that great strategy against Zabuza to BARELY let Kakashi escape.) I was exaggerating his strength to make a point. I'm equally frustrated with how poorly written the series has become. I can't even keep track of the logical lapses and plot holes anymore. Of course, I've been reading the damn manga for years now and I can't seem to stop. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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isn't that a long time? i mean what is it you want, what can they possibly do in a damn manga to show the kind of development that you are asking for? they do this kind of stuff in all mangas, not just naruto. it's because you can't not do it. | ||
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Demoninja
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Deleted User 3420
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but anyways, back on topic, doesn't naruto use shadow clones to train? i thought he was using 4 shadow clones to train sage mode, so that alone would be 4x faster or w/e | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 03 2009 11:02 travis wrote: naruto has been training sage mode for like what, 20? 25 episodes of the manga? isn't that a long time? i mean what is it you want, what can they possibly do in a damn manga to show the kind of development that you are asking for? they do this kind of stuff in all mangas, not just naruto. it's because you can't not do it. As demoninja mentioned, Naruto's sage training has spanned a few days at most. That's not the biggest thing that bothers me either, but it's Naruto's uninspired development compared to say, Sasuke's. Sasuke's use of jutsus, his strategies, a lot of things have drastically changed, and he's had to go through Hell to get to his level. Whereas Naruto always improves at a breakneck pace out of nowhere. And what does this vast improvement result in? Faster, Stronger Naruto, bigger Rasengan. I think the writing of the manga has just gone down for a while now. But It's like crack for me. I can't stop the intake, it's an addiction, but I vomit violently afterwards. | ||
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Dalroti
Canada70 Posts
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bp1696
United States288 Posts
On January 03 2009 12:41 travis wrote: well I agree and I really have no clue how long has supposed to pass in the naruto world, but I really don't care either hehe. because yes I think there is many holes in naruto if you want to get that in depth, there probably is in almost all manga. but anyways, back on topic, doesn't naruto use shadow clones to train? i thought he was using 4 shadow clones to train sage mode, so that alone would be 4x faster or w/e I'm not sure, but I seem to recall there being one chapter where the old frog told him that it was too dangerous to train with shadow clones because if any one of the bunshin turns completely into a frog, then naruto himself turns into a frog. Did naruto ignore him and train with clones anyway? | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 03 2009 12:55 Dalroti wrote: lol Anime and Manga. I used to love it, but then they stretch the story too much. I prefered Gundam Seed cuz it has only 50 episodes! I thought Elfen Lied was great. 13 episodes :D. It's still nice to see new anime from time to time. But who needs it when you can pretty much watch two hours of starcraft daily from proleague/msl/osl/old VODs that you missed :D. Not to mention the other few hours of actually playing it. (DAMN YOU UBUNTU) | ||
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