Supposedly, the 9-tails chakra is needed for a jutsu to defeat Madara. Right now, Madara is invincible unless he attacks and you have a small window to counterattack. If Madara stops attacking, there's no way to damage him. The jutsu that Naruto will eventually develop using 9-tails chakra will possibly let him hit Madara while in his invincible phase.

yrba1

United States325 Posts

July 23 2010 19:16 GMT

#3782

Supposedly, Naruto should have some special type of power that can threaten Madara in the invulnerable phase. Maybe that special power Itachi gave him back when he trapped Naruto into that genjutsu to talk to him before he got into that fight with Sasuke.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 23 2010 19:27 GMT

#3783

That's gay, we want to find a smart way around madaras space/time jutsu not some dumb "power" that lets him ignore it.

nitram

Canada5412 Posts

July 23 2010 19:29 GMT

#3784

On July 24 2010 04:06 andrewlt wrote:
Supposedly, the 9-tails chakra is needed for a jutsu to defeat Madara. Right now, Madara is invincible unless he attacks and you have a small window to counterattack. If Madara stops attacking, there's no way to damage him. The jutsu that Naruto will eventually develop using 9-tails chakra will possibly let him hit Madara while in his invincible phase.

9 tails rasengan obv

Scorcher2k

United States802 Posts

July 23 2010 19:31 GMT

#3785

On July 24 2010 03:55 travis wrote:
For those who claim madara "lost" to minato.

Minato ends up dead.
His wife ends up dead.
Madara ends up alive.

In what way did Madara "lose" ?

His plan was foiled, but he certainly didn't lose..

Compared to having the entire village destroyed and Madara marching on to rule the world I would say that sacrificing his and his wife's life would be considered a victory.

Mente

United States288 Posts

July 23 2010 19:34 GMT

#3786

Kakashi did impressive stuff: He boner jammed zabuta pretty hard

Sharkey

668 Posts

July 23 2010 19:56 GMT

#3787

On July 24 2010 04:31 Scorcher2k wrote:

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Compared to having the entire village destroyed and Madara marching on to rule the world I would say that sacrificing his and his wife's life would be considered a victory.

I think Madara lost as well. Why?

Well, let's first look at what his assumed objectives were:
1) Free the 9-tail fox (implied)
2) Control the 9-tails (stated)
3) Crush the Leaf Village (stated)
4) Start his plan for world domination (somewhat stated)

Results:
1) Temporary
2) Temporary but ultimately no
3) Nullified
4) Unknown, but most likely delayed

I would consider that Madara lost because he didn't accomplish any of his objectives. We might disagree on what his objectives were, and I will definitely take your input as well. But the way I see it he most definitely lost.

Source:
Madara's Goal
Why Madara is attacking the Leaf Village

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 23 2010 19:59 GMT

#3788

Well even if in some technical way madara won he did run away after getting owned by minato which is a clear loss in an ass-kicking competition.

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

July 23 2010 20:29 GMT

#3789

okok this is turning into a weird philosophical debate on what it means to win or to lose haha

but i agree clearly minato appeared to be the more badass one between them

Phiggot03

Vietnam132 Posts

July 23 2010 20:33 GMT

#3790

Kushina could have taken the nine tails with her and it would be gone for "a while", whatever that means. Minato did not have to die, but he felt that this guy was too strong that only a jinchuriki could stop him, yet minato wounded him and freed the fox from his control in ONE move, and made him run

Sharkey

668 Posts

July 23 2010 20:39 GMT

#3791

On July 24 2010 05:33 Phiggot03 wrote:
... yet minato wounded him and freed the fox from his control in ONE move, and made him run

That is what I thought too. But if you read the Naruto manga on onemanga.com it has a different translation. Different Translation

OSWater

United States1343 Posts

July 24 2010 03:42 GMT

#3792

Hand seals? Oh wow, I haven't seen those in about 300 chapters. I almost thought the author forgot about them for a second there.

Scaramanga

Australia8093 Posts

July 24 2010 03:49 GMT

#3793

On July 24 2010 12:42 OSWater wrote:
Hand seals? Oh wow, I haven't seen those in about 300 chapters. I almost thought the author forgot about them for a second there.

Oh man i'd forgotten compleatly aswell

chuninexam

Canada56 Posts

July 24 2010 05:57 GMT

#3794

Minato simply won the battle at the cost of his own life. He also lost his wife and everyone who died that day at the village.

Tho Madara hasn't won the war, he atleast lived to fight another day.

Scorcher2k

United States802 Posts

July 24 2010 08:08 GMT

#3795

On July 24 2010 05:39 Sharkey wrote:

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That is what I thought too. But if you read the Naruto manga on onemanga.com it has a different translation. Different Translation

The onemanga translation seems like horrible writing to me... I couldn't possibly translate myself but I would much prefer that the narutofan version be correct.

KiLL_ORdeR

United States1518 Posts

July 24 2010 22:55 GMT

#3796

On July 23 2010 19:06 Shatter wrote:
Does anyone think Orochimaru is ever coming back? I thought he was the best villain and with Kabuto always appearing every 30 chapters, I think Orochimaru is somehow going to show up again.

But anyways, Madara keeps getting called the "masked man" all of sudden by everyone and even kabuto made some remark about this fact at their last meeting. I don't know who is going to be the last villain anymore lol.

Naruto has been pretty good lately, liking it a lot more than Bleach's latest chapters.

I bet when Kabuto fully absorbs Orochimaru's body, he becomes Orochimaru because of some fuck up crazy shit. Orochimaru seriously like never fucking dies, so it would make sense, in a weird way.

Warrior Madness

Canada3791 Posts

July 24 2010 23:04 GMT

#3797

On July 24 2010 05:29 travis wrote:
okok this is turning into a weird philosophical debate on what it means to win or to lose haha

but i agree clearly minato appeared to be the more badass one between them

It's quite simple really anyway. Minato clearly won that 1 on 1 battle between him and Madara. The same way Itachi clearly won in his fight against Orochimaru. Minato not only pretty much tore off Madara's arm but he simultaneously severed his control over the nine tails as well. And speaking of which, he made the nine tails look relatively girly by teleporting two of its ginormous kamehameha's AND the nine tails itself away.

I'd pay to see a fight between madara and pein.

NarutO

Germany18839 Posts

July 24 2010 23:28 GMT

#3798

On July 25 2010 08:04 Warrior Madness wrote:

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Madara is a lot stronger would be my bet :o! Pein's real strength is that you have to figure out what he actually does .

Warrior Madness

Canada3791 Posts

July 25 2010 02:57 GMT

#3799

On July 25 2010 08:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:

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Madara is a lot stronger would be my bet :o! Pein's real strength is that you have to figure out what he actually does .

Whoops. I meant Minato. Minato vs all of Pein's paths. And yeah, seems like he could've summoned all the frogs that Naruto summoned as well. It would've been rape, but I'd still wanna see it.

And also, I still have to give Madara the benefit of the doubt in his fight against Minato. We didn't see Amaterasu or Susanoo used (Though Minato could've used Madara's amaterasu against himself with some sick redirects and Susanoo just might be too immobile). We still don't know how strong Madara is/was in his prime. But..Seems like he gets his ass kicked an awful lot by past hokages.

artofmagic

United States1951 Posts

July 25 2010 03:09 GMT

#3800

for some reason i think the last casket is madara's brother.

naruto probably gonna learn the space/time jutsu. the teleporting technique probably requires full chakra control in your body and what not.