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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If a chapter or an episode has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

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alone
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland410 Posts
March 18 2018 13:50 GMT
#3801
For someone who was using "complete ultra instinct" goku was suprised and clearly thought/analyzed before reacting quite a few times in this episode.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 18 2018 14:20 GMT
#3802
17 doing the whole damn tournament is very surprising to me, but him and Frieza really should have play dead for like 15 second.
Apart from that I feel like the next episode is gonna be very rush, we will have at most half an episode for after the tournament.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28094 Posts
March 18 2018 20:15 GMT
#3803
On March 18 2018 21:38 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 20:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2018 20:06 Suchbalancemuchwow wrote:
This show's plot is such a train wreck. Jiren didn't even get disqualified for firing at the audience.


It's technically not against the rules


Still a low blow from Jiren - and quite pointless with a kabbalah of angels in the stands.

I was kind of hoping the Grand Priest or Whis would block that instead of Goku. Would have been cool to get a glimpse of their powers.

On another note, what's with this Jiren character assassination lately. Isn't he a good guy lol
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 18 2018 20:18 GMT
#3804
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
March 18 2018 20:25 GMT
#3805
Too many things about U11 don't make sense, hope the manga can make more sense out of everything.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28094 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 20:31:36
March 18 2018 20:30 GMT
#3806
On March 19 2018 05:18 LegalLord wrote:
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.

I agree with that. I think he's always been a power hungry asshole and it's finally showing. However I never really got any vibe that he would be willing to kill innocent people. He turned full villain out of nowhere. I guess the possible extinction of your Universe can make you do crazy things.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 20:41:52
March 18 2018 20:41 GMT
#3807
On March 19 2018 05:30 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2018 05:18 LegalLord wrote:
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.

I agree with that. I think he's always been a power hungry asshole and it's finally showing. However I never really got any vibe that he would be willing to kill innocent people. He turned full villain out of nowhere. I guess the possible extinction of your Universe can make you do crazy things.

See that's the thing though. He makes grand speeches about how strength is everything, strength is absolute, how other people don't matter, etc. With that personality, it doesn't make sense he's a fighter for justice in U11. It doesn't make sense he's on a team. Quite frankly, his attack to wipe out Goku's teammates would have potentially wiped out his own teammates as well if it connected. The only one he seems to care about is himself, so what got him on edge was himself losing, not his universe or team.

Meanwhile in the manga, he never kills (not even the worst villains of Universe 11), always helps out others and was so concerned about the common folk of Universe 11 that he didn't want to leave even just for the hour or so the tournament would take in total.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28094 Posts
March 18 2018 20:55 GMT
#3808
On March 19 2018 05:41 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2018 05:30 TheEmulator wrote:
On March 19 2018 05:18 LegalLord wrote:
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.

I agree with that. I think he's always been a power hungry asshole and it's finally showing. However I never really got any vibe that he would be willing to kill innocent people. He turned full villain out of nowhere. I guess the possible extinction of your Universe can make you do crazy things.
The only one he seems to care about is himself, so what got him on edge was himself losing, not his universe or team.

No I definitely agree. My last sentence was poorly phrased. I was mostly implying that he wanted to save his universe for personal reasons, not that he actually cared about the people in it.
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
March 19 2018 00:45 GMT
#3809
In the manga he said he didn't want to join because power isn't justice and doesn't agree with perishing innocent universes for u11 to survive.
Until it was revealed that he could get his wish granted.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 19 2018 00:58 GMT
#3810
On March 19 2018 05:18 LegalLord wrote:
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.

Exactly
Freeeeeeedom
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 19 2018 03:40 GMT
#3811
When you spend sooo much screen time pretty much being silent or saying little there is a lot of room for him to be whoever.
Never Knows Best.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23491 Posts
March 19 2018 06:06 GMT
#3812
On March 19 2018 09:58 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2018 05:18 LegalLord wrote:
Let’s be real, the whole “justice” shtick looked like a farce from the beginning. It’s less character assassination than true colors.

Exactly


I got the impression he had a little 'justice' left in him when he took his crew to fight the person that wiped out his town or whatever but after that he was just trying to be more powerful than that person and possibly find something beyond the raw power and was part of the justice squad in order to find strong opponents.

That's why he wasn't interested in just knocking everyone else off ezpz, he wasn't there to save anyone, just prove to himself he's the strongest anywhere. Also why he didn't like how it was ending. He knew there was more to learn from Goku .
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 19 2018 08:10 GMT
#3813
Animation on point but god all this "friendship" talk is so cringy...
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 19 2018 08:20 GMT
#3814
On March 19 2018 17:10 Mun_Su wrote:
Animation on point but god all this "friendship" talk is so cringy...


When you have to teach every villian the very basic concept of fighting for friends/family can give great strength yea it gets tired lol.
Never Knows Best.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1712 Posts
March 19 2018 09:50 GMT
#3815
On March 18 2018 22:47 Shock710 wrote:
i would like to mention that i love return of buff goku, it just looks so good.

I actually prefer the normal-sized goku!
And as for this most recent episode, I think it couldnt surpass the first few times we saw ultra instinct. It was cooler then.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 19 2018 20:31 GMT
#3816
More random stuff I found...

History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23491 Posts
March 19 2018 20:37 GMT
#3817
On March 20 2018 05:31 LegalLord wrote:
More random stuff I found...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfNW0lrMSs


I feel like they missed an opportunity not cutting together them doing the Y M C A letters to the song. But it worked much better than I would have imagined.

Always found the emotional impact of minor keys fascinating too. As much as I want to see the conclusion I'm going to be sad when it's done.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 20 2018 00:49 GMT
#3818
I feel like you guys are overanalyzing Jiren's "character development". The writing team is just writing what feels to them like the coolest thing at the moment while following common anime tropes.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
March 20 2018 13:40 GMT
#3819
"Writting team" these words alone frighten me.
A single author and an editor are things of the past.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 21 2018 14:34 GMT
#3820
The first manga chapter of the tournament came out, it's so much better then the anime.
I really Torotaro continue his manga after the end of Super, the anime could pick up his story line when/if they come back.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
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