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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 06 2017 13:36 GMT
#2341
Are episodes written by various teams or something? I can't wrap my head around how bad this recent episode was. Throwing rocks, complete disregard for speed, the fact that the attack that hit the entire stage didn't seem to mean anything for any of the other participants...wtf. Piccolo somehow being hit in the arms over and over? God damn.

Compared to the Goku+Hit episode, this was like a completely different show. It's as if they let the manga writers do a couple episodes and then we went back to sailor moon transformations.

The scene with throwing rocks is just...unforgivable.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
September 07 2017 01:45 GMT
#2342
I know they have like 12 different people who draw Goku and Vegeta. I assume they have at least 6 different writers for episodes like Game of Thrones does with directors.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 07 2017 02:34 GMT
#2343
On September 06 2017 22:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Are episodes written by various teams or something? I can't wrap my head around how bad this recent episode was. Throwing rocks, complete disregard for speed, the fact that the attack that hit the entire stage didn't seem to mean anything for any of the other participants...wtf. Piccolo somehow being hit in the arms over and over? God damn.

Compared to the Goku+Hit episode, this was like a completely different show. It's as if they let the manga writers do a couple episodes and then we went back to sailor moon transformations.

The scene with throwing rocks is just...unforgivable.

This latest episode was basically a B-movie.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 07 2017 02:38 GMT
#2344
On September 06 2017 22:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Are episodes written by various teams or something? I can't wrap my head around how bad this recent episode was. Throwing rocks, complete disregard for speed, the fact that the attack that hit the entire stage didn't seem to mean anything for any of the other participants...wtf. Piccolo somehow being hit in the arms over and over? God damn.

Compared to the Goku+Hit episode, this was like a completely different show. It's as if they let the manga writers do a couple episodes and then we went back to sailor moon transformations.

The scene with throwing rocks is just...unforgivable.

ya, this latest episode had some good ideas but some bad ones too. Goku+Hit was really well done. I'm sure it's different teams working on the episodes. Odd part is that they must've discussed the pacing and progression prior to doing these episodes so I have a hard time thinking that one writer went one route and another writer, another. After all, you need to nail down the story before you get started.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 07 2017 03:23 GMT
#2345
I saw the preview for this episode and thought, "meh, a down week." Was pretty spot on with that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
September 07 2017 03:45 GMT
#2346
On September 07 2017 12:23 LegalLord wrote:
I saw the preview for this episode and thought, "meh, a down week." Was pretty spot on with that.

Thats like any ep with tien, he hasnt been relevant since he beat mech taopaipai
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 07 2017 04:34 GMT
#2347
He straight up admitted the slippage in relevance by the ending of the Cell saga.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 07 2017 15:15 GMT
#2348
On September 07 2017 11:34 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2017 22:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Are episodes written by various teams or something? I can't wrap my head around how bad this recent episode was. Throwing rocks, complete disregard for speed, the fact that the attack that hit the entire stage didn't seem to mean anything for any of the other participants...wtf. Piccolo somehow being hit in the arms over and over? God damn.

Compared to the Goku+Hit episode, this was like a completely different show. It's as if they let the manga writers do a couple episodes and then we went back to sailor moon transformations.

The scene with throwing rocks is just...unforgivable.

This latest episode was basically a B-movie.

Goku and Vegeta throwing rocks at an enemy is at best c-movie.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
September 07 2017 15:23 GMT
#2349


i knew tien was fucken useless in super but damn this video really puts it into perspective
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
September 07 2017 16:26 GMT
#2350
Reminder that Tien actually had gravity training because he was in kaio's planet! Tien not only was bove Roshi in Dragonball, but then in Z he got that training. Yet he is this this state...
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 07 2017 16:42 GMT
#2351
Tien is human, not Saiyan. An insurmountable weakness.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 07 2017 18:18 GMT
#2352
On September 08 2017 01:42 LegalLord wrote:
Tien is human, not Saiyan. An insurmountable weakness.


Roshi seems much stronger or at least more capable at this point, though.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55587 Posts
September 07 2017 18:34 GMT
#2353
On September 08 2017 03:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 01:42 LegalLord wrote:
Tien is human, not Saiyan. An insurmountable weakness.


Roshi seems much stronger or at least more capable at this point, though.

Suddenly Roshi's experience makes all the difference and makes up for the strength gaps. I think I saw somewhere that the official ranking of Universe 7's team by power goes

Goku = Freeza (probably before Goku's next power-up) > Vegeta > Gohan >= 17 > Piccolo > 18 > Krillin > Tien > Roshi
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 07 2017 18:38 GMT
#2354
Roshi clearly isn't strong. He just has ages worth of experience to tap into, allowing him to pull a fast one on some tricky opponents.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
September 08 2017 21:37 GMT
#2355
Goku = Freeza ? I know that 'they're evenly matched', but that's before Kaioken. Anyway, DBS is about fan service, and that video nails it - nobody's a fan of Tien really. He doesn't engage masses from an emotion or nostalgia perspective.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 08 2017 21:40 GMT
#2356
I like Tien. He definitely has a legacy appeal for being genuinely legit back in Dragon Ball. But he is sort of power creeped into oblivion.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55587 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:42:11
September 08 2017 22:39 GMT
#2357
On September 09 2017 06:37 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
Goku = Freeza ? I know that 'they're evenly matched', but that's before Kaioken.

I'd blame the anime for this. There was an official ranking at some point (Rival Danger Scale or something like that) and Golden Freeza was ranked above Hit. In the manga he is also clearly stronger than Hit and during Resurrection F he is canonically stronger than Goku when both are at peak power.

But ofc the anime shows Goku going Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kaioken x10 to keep up with Hit while he fights Golden Freeza to a draw just with Blue in the filler before the tournament.

So really what I'm saying is, if Goku = Freeza is what the directors of Super are going for, they weren't doing a great job.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
September 09 2017 16:43 GMT
#2358
Ignore power levels in the anime to avoid head explosions.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-09 19:11:12
September 09 2017 19:10 GMT
#2359
I agree with both of you guys. In fact, we're close to being able to ignore power levels at all. Let's speculate and imagine Goku gets a new transform in order to keep up with, or defeat, Jiren. Then, going by the anime :

1. Goku's used a whole new transform to go from #2 in the multiverse to #1 or #1 tied. Diminishing returns if you ask me.

2. The new transform shouldn't be all that much more powerful than Kaioken Blue, in fact it could be intermediate power between Blue and Kaioken Blue but with sustainable energy usage = much more stamina. ('much better ki control' is how it could be justified). At that next level, Goku would berserk Zamasu, probably Sidra as well given Freeza's control of his energy of destruction, and give serious Beerus a run for his money (cf. Beerus' 'he was planning to use that against me ?). So then, a mortal is at average God of Destruction level, or above.

3. In fact, once Vegeta inevitably catches up, next-level Vegito should logically beat Beerus, at least by anime standards.

As such I simply wonder where they go next, because once you hit GoD or post-GoD level, things should get quite weird/boring - it just seems unnatural that mortals could compete with angels like Whis or real deities that created whole universes. This, by the way, is all before Goku's had his 'potential unlocked' by the Kais. I, for one, look to Gohan for some interesting and different character development going forward.

Welcome to the end of the power creep.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 09 2017 19:18 GMT
#2360
Jiren will corner Goku until he unlocks the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 Blue Rose transformation, with rose-colored hair of SSJ3 lengths, and a blue aura with blue rose petals. He will use Kaio Ken on top of that to finally dispatch once and for all Jiren and save Universe 7 from elimination as Toppo gives a crap speech about how there is no justice in the Universe as Zeno erases them all from existence.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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