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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
November 10 2012 04:19 GMT
#681
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:01 blinken wrote:
Michael Arndt confirmed to be writing script.


He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


I've always wondered what it was that made me different, now I know.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 10 2012 04:27 GMT
#682
On November 10 2012 13:02 blinken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:47 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:32 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:01 blinken wrote:
Michael Arndt confirmed to be writing script.


He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


^^^^
D':

I'm glad he's writing the script. It will definitely be farrr better than anything Lucas could have come up with.
"You can't win Anakin, I've got the high ground!"



He has apparently been working on this with Lucasfilm for months. This gives me hope that Lucas has had major story input.

Let's not kid ourselves, Lucas may not be the best script writer but his ability to craft a story is legendary. With Lucas at least co-writing the story and an Oscar level screenwriter like Arndt, I'm actually pumped for this movie.


I never said Lucas made bad stories. The original trilogy is really great because of the story. It's just Lucas can't write a SCRIPT to save his life. Thus with Arndt writing the script, I'm really excited.


I believe that his failure to direct actors is what causes his screenwriting to seem so awful. But to be completely honest, I think a good actor can sell any line. A New Hope had really incredible actors with a mediocre script, and boy they sold those lines. "But I was heading into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!" Few actors today could sell that line (or anything Obi-Wan says) without a good director.


Not exactly. The screenwriting is horrible too, it's just Lucas also controls how the actors say stuff as well. So you end up with a shitty script and bad acting due to them needing to do it how Lucas wanted. You never got any creative things like Han Solo saying "I know" back to Leia in the prequals, because Lucas would never have allowed people to go against his shitty script.

I actually like the prequals visually when it comes to the fight scenes. I'm pretty easily entertained by fight scenes if they're decently done. I like eye candy. That's the main reason I like the prequals lol.
But the script is an entirely different matter altogether and was poorly done.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 05:06:20
November 10 2012 05:05 GMT
#683
On November 10 2012 13:27 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 13:02 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:47 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:32 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:01 blinken wrote:
Michael Arndt confirmed to be writing script.


He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


^^^^
D':

I'm glad he's writing the script. It will definitely be farrr better than anything Lucas could have come up with.
"You can't win Anakin, I've got the high ground!"



He has apparently been working on this with Lucasfilm for months. This gives me hope that Lucas has had major story input.

Let's not kid ourselves, Lucas may not be the best script writer but his ability to craft a story is legendary. With Lucas at least co-writing the story and an Oscar level screenwriter like Arndt, I'm actually pumped for this movie.


I never said Lucas made bad stories. The original trilogy is really great because of the story. It's just Lucas can't write a SCRIPT to save his life. Thus with Arndt writing the script, I'm really excited.


I believe that his failure to direct actors is what causes his screenwriting to seem so awful. But to be completely honest, I think a good actor can sell any line. A New Hope had really incredible actors with a mediocre script, and boy they sold those lines. "But I was heading into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!" Few actors today could sell that line (or anything Obi-Wan says) without a good director.


Not exactly. The screenwriting is horrible too, it's just Lucas also controls how the actors say stuff as well. So you end up with a shitty script and bad acting due to them needing to do it how Lucas wanted. You never got any creative things like Han Solo saying "I know" back to Leia in the prequals, because Lucas would never have allowed people to go against his shitty script.

I actually like the prequals visually when it comes to the fight scenes. I'm pretty easily entertained by fight scenes if they're decently done. I like eye candy. That's the main reason I like the prequals lol.
But the script is an entirely different matter altogether and was poorly done.


Not exactly. Lucas never controlled the actors, as most fans know his only advice was "faster, more intense." So blaming any acting on poor actor direction (in that he was telling them how to perform) is a falsehood.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 06:24:39
November 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#684
There are even behind the scenes documentaries in the dvd set that specifcially show lucas telling the actors how to act in all of the talking scenes, and them doing exactly what he tells them. Obviously fight scenes like the anakin vs obi-wan fight were all the actors doing after months of practice, but that has nothing to do with the actual dialogue of the script lol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
November 10 2012 06:11 GMT
#685
On November 10 2012 14:05 blinken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 13:27 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 13:02 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:47 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:32 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:01 blinken wrote:
Michael Arndt confirmed to be writing script.


He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


^^^^
D':

I'm glad he's writing the script. It will definitely be farrr better than anything Lucas could have come up with.
"You can't win Anakin, I've got the high ground!"



He has apparently been working on this with Lucasfilm for months. This gives me hope that Lucas has had major story input.

Let's not kid ourselves, Lucas may not be the best script writer but his ability to craft a story is legendary. With Lucas at least co-writing the story and an Oscar level screenwriter like Arndt, I'm actually pumped for this movie.


I never said Lucas made bad stories. The original trilogy is really great because of the story. It's just Lucas can't write a SCRIPT to save his life. Thus with Arndt writing the script, I'm really excited.


I believe that his failure to direct actors is what causes his screenwriting to seem so awful. But to be completely honest, I think a good actor can sell any line. A New Hope had really incredible actors with a mediocre script, and boy they sold those lines. "But I was heading into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!" Few actors today could sell that line (or anything Obi-Wan says) without a good director.


Not exactly. The screenwriting is horrible too, it's just Lucas also controls how the actors say stuff as well. So you end up with a shitty script and bad acting due to them needing to do it how Lucas wanted. You never got any creative things like Han Solo saying "I know" back to Leia in the prequals, because Lucas would never have allowed people to go against his shitty script.

I actually like the prequals visually when it comes to the fight scenes. I'm pretty easily entertained by fight scenes if they're decently done. I like eye candy. That's the main reason I like the prequals lol.
But the script is an entirely different matter altogether and was poorly done.


Not exactly. Lucas never controlled the actors, as most fans know his only advice was "faster, more intense." So blaming any acting on poor actor direction (in that he was telling them how to perform) is a falsehood.

Uh where did you get your information from? It's a well known fact that Lucas dictated every single thing with the prequels. Not only that but all the actors had to work with bluescreens. Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? Not only that but George told them what to do, how they should feel. They had no room for their own acting talent. Haiden Christensen is a decent actor but he was god awful in the prequels because of it. It almost ruined his career.

I suggest you watch behind the scenes videos so you can see Lucas TELLING the actors what to do and how to feel. Sometimes they had such a dumbfounded look on their face like "This guy can't be serious...".
Not bad for a cat toy.
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 06:53:14
November 10 2012 06:52 GMT
#686
On November 10 2012 15:11 Krohm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 14:05 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 13:27 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 13:02 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:51 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:47 blinken wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:32 BlackPaladin wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
[quote]

He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


^^^^
D':

I'm glad he's writing the script. It will definitely be farrr better than anything Lucas could have come up with.
"You can't win Anakin, I've got the high ground!"



He has apparently been working on this with Lucasfilm for months. This gives me hope that Lucas has had major story input.

Let's not kid ourselves, Lucas may not be the best script writer but his ability to craft a story is legendary. With Lucas at least co-writing the story and an Oscar level screenwriter like Arndt, I'm actually pumped for this movie.


I never said Lucas made bad stories. The original trilogy is really great because of the story. It's just Lucas can't write a SCRIPT to save his life. Thus with Arndt writing the script, I'm really excited.


I believe that his failure to direct actors is what causes his screenwriting to seem so awful. But to be completely honest, I think a good actor can sell any line. A New Hope had really incredible actors with a mediocre script, and boy they sold those lines. "But I was heading into Toshi station to pick up some power converters!" Few actors today could sell that line (or anything Obi-Wan says) without a good director.


Not exactly. The screenwriting is horrible too, it's just Lucas also controls how the actors say stuff as well. So you end up with a shitty script and bad acting due to them needing to do it how Lucas wanted. You never got any creative things like Han Solo saying "I know" back to Leia in the prequals, because Lucas would never have allowed people to go against his shitty script.

I actually like the prequals visually when it comes to the fight scenes. I'm pretty easily entertained by fight scenes if they're decently done. I like eye candy. That's the main reason I like the prequals lol.
But the script is an entirely different matter altogether and was poorly done.


Not exactly. Lucas never controlled the actors, as most fans know his only advice was "faster, more intense." So blaming any acting on poor actor direction (in that he was telling them how to perform) is a falsehood.

Uh where did you get your information from? It's a well known fact that Lucas dictated every single thing with the prequels. Not only that but all the actors had to work with bluescreens. Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? Not only that but George told them what to do, how they should feel. They had no room for their own acting talent. Haiden Christensen is a decent actor but he was god awful in the prequels because of it. It almost ruined his career.

I suggest you watch behind the scenes videos so you can see Lucas TELLING the actors what to do and how to feel. Sometimes they had such a dumbfounded look on their face like "This guy can't be serious...".


I don't recall ever seeing Lucas tell an actor how to deliver a line. A director giving context is one thing, what you're suggesting is something else.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
November 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#687
Apparently Harrison Ford wants to be in the new star wars movie, and he mentions that Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher do too.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/harrison-ford-says-open-another-star-wars-film-185829069.html
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 11 2012 01:08 GMT
#688
On November 11 2012 10:01 Whitewing wrote:
Apparently Harrison Ford wants to be in the new star wars movie, and he mentions that Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher do too.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/harrison-ford-says-open-another-star-wars-film-185829069.html

It would be nice to have them in cameo appearances if they aren't exactly right for bigger parts.
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 03:16:09
November 11 2012 03:03 GMT
#689
wait... Is this movie gonna be after 'the return of the jedi? Or after the revenge of the sith? Because if it's after the return of the jedi i'm really curious about the story, I mean, the empire is totally defeated lol. And Luke is supposed to be last jedi. What will the story be about ? O_O
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
November 11 2012 03:14 GMT
#690
On November 11 2012 12:03 Xialos wrote:
wait?... Is this movie gonna be after 'the return of the jedi? Or after the revenge of the sith? Because if it's after the return of the jedi i'm really curious about the story, I mean, the empire is totally defeated lol. And Luke is supposed to be last jedi. What will the story be about ? O_O


Yes this should be after the old movies, these new movies will be the most current in the timeline. I'd guess it would have to be about Luke rebuilding the Republic and finding more jedi's and the sith returning.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 03:38:51
November 11 2012 03:38 GMT
#691
On November 11 2012 12:03 Xialos wrote:
wait... Is this movie gonna be after 'the return of the jedi? Or after the revenge of the sith? Because if it's after the return of the jedi i'm really curious about the story, I mean, the empire is totally defeated lol. And Luke is supposed to be last jedi. What will the story be about ? O_O


Actually the empire isn't totally defeated. It winds up taking years still to retake coruscant, and the imperial remnant is never actually wiped out. A cease-fire is declared around 15 years after the battle of Endor, and it is then that the Empire concedes defeat, although it isn't assimilated or destroyed as a political entity. It isn't even forcibly disarmed, and it's a good thing too, since the Empire saves the New Republic's ass a few times during the Yuuzhan Vong war (I suppose it's the Galactic Alliance around this time) and later on too.

There are tons of stories after Endor where the empire nearly completely crushes the New Republic and is barely thrown back.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 07:04:51
November 11 2012 06:53 GMT
#692
On November 10 2012 01:11 mudir wrote:
i would like to see the books by timothy zahn to be made a movie. really good books that bick up after destruction of the death star (after movie VI). that would be awesome. disney will make something decent out of this i hope...

Yeah, that is what I was thinking when I first heard about this.

We need Thrawn !
ohh yeah, and if Mark Hamill is back then we need Mara Jade as well
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Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
November 11 2012 07:01 GMT
#693
On November 11 2012 12:38 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:03 Xialos wrote:
wait... Is this movie gonna be after 'the return of the jedi? Or after the revenge of the sith? Because if it's after the return of the jedi i'm really curious about the story, I mean, the empire is totally defeated lol. And Luke is supposed to be last jedi. What will the story be about ? O_O


Actually the empire isn't totally defeated. It winds up taking years still to retake coruscant, and the imperial remnant is never actually wiped out. A cease-fire is declared around 15 years after the battle of Endor, and it is then that the Empire concedes defeat, although it isn't assimilated or destroyed as a political entity. It isn't even forcibly disarmed, and it's a good thing too, since the Empire saves the New Republic's ass a few times during the Yuuzhan Vong war (I suppose it's the Galactic Alliance around this time) and later on too.

There are tons of stories after Endor where the empire nearly completely crushes the New Republic and is barely thrown back.


I read some of those books, and I somewhat enjoyed them, but I hope they don't bring that race into the new movie. Maybe they'll do it well, but it seems risky to me.

Of course, they'll have to do something different. A movie where they're licking their wounds and rebuilding the fleet isn't that exciting.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
November 11 2012 07:16 GMT
#694
On November 11 2012 16:01 Carson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:38 Whitewing wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:03 Xialos wrote:
wait... Is this movie gonna be after 'the return of the jedi? Or after the revenge of the sith? Because if it's after the return of the jedi i'm really curious about the story, I mean, the empire is totally defeated lol. And Luke is supposed to be last jedi. What will the story be about ? O_O


Actually the empire isn't totally defeated. It winds up taking years still to retake coruscant, and the imperial remnant is never actually wiped out. A cease-fire is declared around 15 years after the battle of Endor, and it is then that the Empire concedes defeat, although it isn't assimilated or destroyed as a political entity. It isn't even forcibly disarmed, and it's a good thing too, since the Empire saves the New Republic's ass a few times during the Yuuzhan Vong war (I suppose it's the Galactic Alliance around this time) and later on too.

There are tons of stories after Endor where the empire nearly completely crushes the New Republic and is barely thrown back.


I read some of those books, and I somewhat enjoyed them, but I hope they don't bring that race into the new movie. Maybe they'll do it well, but it seems risky to me.

Of course, they'll have to do something different. A movie where they're licking their wounds and rebuilding the fleet isn't that exciting.


It is a trilogy they have 3 movies to tell a complete story and take it to the end. First movie could be the rebuilding and introduction of the new (or old) bad guys.
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
November 11 2012 08:57 GMT
#695
Expectation bar: low
Still gonna watch it
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
November 12 2012 12:34 GMT
#696
On November 10 2012 01:11 mudir wrote:
i would like to see the books by timothy zahn to be made a movie. really good books that bick up after destruction of the death star (after movie VI). that would be awesome. disney will make something decent out of this i hope...


From the Episode VII FAQ on IMDB (not sure where they got this info from though):

Will this follow the plot of the books by Timothy Zahn?

No, as Episode VII will be an original story not based on the events of any of the EU continuity
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Mordoc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States162 Posts
November 12 2012 12:42 GMT
#697
On November 12 2012 21:34 AlgeriaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 01:11 mudir wrote:
i would like to see the books by timothy zahn to be made a movie. really good books that bick up after destruction of the death star (after movie VI). that would be awesome. disney will make something decent out of this i hope...


From the Episode VII FAQ on IMDB (not sure where they got this info from though):

Show nested quote +
Will this follow the plot of the books by Timothy Zahn?

No, as Episode VII will be an original story not based on the events of any of the EU continuity



What? Oh shit, that could be bad...


The yuuzhan vong and imperial remnant/return of the empire plot series are amazing, and the yuuzhan vong in particular could use some exploration anyway.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 13:09:49
November 12 2012 13:03 GMT
#698
On November 12 2012 21:42 Mordoc wrote:


The yuuzhan vong and imperial remnant/return of the empire plot series are amazing, and the yuuzhan vong in particular could use some exploration anyway.

Not to mention that they are considered canon. They could end up with a lot of angry fans

though I guess the new movies could happen long after Episode VI, after the Thawn trilogy etc, which would also makes more sense for old Han Solo, Luke and Leia
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
November 12 2012 13:13 GMT
#699
On November 10 2012 13:19 coasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 12:28 Microsloth wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:05 EchoZ wrote:
On November 10 2012 12:01 blinken wrote:
Michael Arndt confirmed to be writing script.


He has so much on his plate. Glad he is writing though, he is pretty good imho.

didnt he write the script for toy story 2/3 ? god help us


Someone who doesn't like Toy Story 3? BLASPHEMER!!!

2 is the weakest, but still great. If you didn't get a little choked up at the end of 3, you're not human imo.


I've always wondered what it was that made me different, now I know.

Toy story 3 was shitty, evil bear at a daycare? The first was all that counted, it was amazing. 2/3 were horrid. Nothing will beat the scene wehre the moving van is leaving and he's chasing it on a toy racecar :D
FoTG fighting!
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 13:13:59
November 12 2012 13:13 GMT
#700
On November 12 2012 22:03 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 21:42 Mordoc wrote:


The yuuzhan vong and imperial remnant/return of the empire plot series are amazing, and the yuuzhan vong in particular could use some exploration anyway.

Not to mention that they are considered canon. They could end up with a lot of angry fans

though I guess the new movies could happen long after Episode VI, after the Thawn trilogy etc, which would also makes more sense for old Han Solo, Luke and Leia


Suppose to be 40 years after, or so I've heard.
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