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On April 11 2012 09:56 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 05:21 Doko wrote:
I always pictured Stannis much older and with a larger stick up his ass. Cersei needs to stop being pictured as a conflicted person when she's just a power craving psychopath in the books.
WTF at the whore on the brothel sweeping cum off her face and the whole Ros thing... Why do they need to try to shock their audience with stupid things when the books themselves bring enough as it is. I can understand showing as Theon womanizer considering his future fate but seriously... some of the scenes are just pointless and even awkward. It is true that they have strayed from the books with Cersei's character, but I actually think that (for the most part) it's a good thing, because she is very 1 dimensional in the books. And I agree that they need to stop saying "oh look how gritty our show is! Sex and titties EVERYWHERE!" Not to mention they can over do it on the violence(at least from last season). It's like they are insecure about it being a fantasy series and being labeled "geeky" so they try to be as vulgar as possible to make up for it. have you read the books? you'd be hard pressed to find a chapter in which at least one person does not die or get laid.
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On April 11 2012 16:01 Mawderator wrote:
Just started watching the first season. Safe to say that I'm hooked.
LOL, Wrong thread buddy. Avert yer eyes!
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On April 11 2012 18:41 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 15:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 11 2012 13:02 Drowsy wrote:
Yeah he looks more like Renly and Robert's dad rather than the middle child. I imagined him way more big and muscular, but also fully bald and with a beard. In demeanor though, the actor carries the essence of Stannis very well even he's not physically much like him.
Renly is a very good fit and 100% as I imagined. about that, amazing how perfectly all the Lannisters fit the descriptions in the book, Myrcella might be an exception, the girl kinda looks like a common Irish little girl not a princess. I also like how the northeners are played mostly by Scottish actors Princesses usually don't look "like princesses".
myrcella is supposed to be beautiful
that girl is uber plain
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On April 13 2012 00:51 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 18:41 Maginor wrote:On April 11 2012 15:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 11 2012 13:02 Drowsy wrote:
Yeah he looks more like Renly and Robert's dad rather than the middle child. I imagined him way more big and muscular, but also fully bald and with a beard. In demeanor though, the actor carries the essence of Stannis very well even he's not physically much like him.
Renly is a very good fit and 100% as I imagined. about that, amazing how perfectly all the Lannisters fit the descriptions in the book, Myrcella might be an exception, the girl kinda looks like a common Irish little girl not a princess. I also like how the northeners are played mostly by Scottish actors Princesses usually don't look "like princesses". myrcella is supposed to be beautiful that girl is uber plain
She's still pretty young though and it's not that important to the storyline
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yeah lol. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Myrcella is beautiful
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Umm, not following the whole talk here, but i saw somewhere sth mentioning Jon snow warging into melissandres baby..!? is that just some joke, or is there something i missed? And, it was said that Jon dies right? Coz i had an arugment with a friend of mine, that Jon was stabbed, but it is not specified whether he died!
any1 minds claryfing that? Thanks!
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On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
Umm, not following the whole talk here, but i saw somewhere sth mentioning Jon snow warging into melissandres baby..!? is that just some joke, or is there something i missed? And, it was said that Jon dies right? Coz i had an arugment with a friend of mine, that Jon was stabbed, but it is not specified whether he died!
any1 minds claryfing that? Thanks!
As far as the first statement...I have no idea what you're talking about or where you got that from. And at the end of Jon's last chapter, it says that he was stabbed four times, but he didn't even feel the last blade because all he felt was cold. This implies that he dies (4 knife wounds is serious), but you never know with Martin. Personally, I'd be willing to bet that Melisandre somehow brings him back like what red priests have done before with Dondarrion and Lady Catelyn. This was really the only way Jon could be freed from the wall in the story, if she brings him back he can do his own thing.
It's all speculation of course.
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The thing about warging into the shadow baby was a joke.
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On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
Umm, not following the whole talk here, but i saw somewhere sth mentioning Jon snow warging into melissandres baby..!? is that just some joke, or is there something i missed? And, it was said that Jon dies right? Coz i had an arugment with a friend of mine, that Jon was stabbed, but it is not specified whether he died!
any1 minds claryfing that? Thanks!
Tons of speculation on that. Go read the thread around page 45, also there is a a Song of Ice and Fire thread with lots of theory crafting. Most of us agree with you, Jon isn't dead.
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I was rewatching episode 2 and in the part when Tyrone and Cerci are talking to their nephew about bringing their reply back to Robb they make no mention of Tyrone's plot to rescue Jamie. Are they probably just gonna skip that part?
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On April 13 2012 02:19 Phelski wrote:
I was rewatching episode 2 and in the part when Tyrone and Cerci are talking to their nephew about bringing their reply back to Robb they make no mention of Tyrone's plot to rescue Jamie. Are they probably just gonna skip that part?
They talked about it earlier. Either in the same episode or the previous one. Did they talk about it in the council chamber in the book? I don't recall, but as far as I can remember, Cleos (aka Alton) wasn't aware of that plan.
Edit: well they only really talked about trading him for the Stark girls I guess. They haven't specifically said that the guards they sent with Alton have the orders to free Jaime. But it is possible that this is something Tyrion has kept to himself.
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On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
Umm, not following the whole talk here, but i saw somewhere sth mentioning Jon snow warging into melissandres baby..!? is that just some joke, or is there something i missed? And, it was said that Jon dies right? Coz i had an arugment with a friend of mine, that Jon was stabbed, but it is not specified whether he died!
any1 minds claryfing that? Thanks!
There are several circumstances that suggest Jon isnt dead/will come back to life/will continue to live in some form.
1. Azor Ahai Come Again- if you re-read the last paragraphs you will notice the mentioning of smoking wounds and tears. Azor Ahai is reborned in midst of smoke and salt, this was usully tied to Danny, but Mellisandre says that he's asking about Azor Ahai from Rh'lor to see how Stannis is doing, but the flames keep showing Jon.
2. Melissandre - she could very well resurrect Jon ala Dondarrion style, or be somehow the reason of him not dying or ressurrecting. She's on the Wall for some purpose for sure
3. Ghost-Warg-Prologue- Jon is a warg, we know wargs can die and live on in their pets, the prologue of the ADWD is dedicated to a dying warg. He could probably slip into Ghost, at least temporarily
4. Plot Armor - While this doesnt apply as well for GRRM as for others, it's undeniable that Jon still is tied to lots of plot-lines, and more importantly he's the only character on the Wall through whom the tale of the black brothers can be narrated. (while the deaths of Ned or Robb or many others were shocking or outraging, they were somewhat necessary for the advancement of the plot and were planty of characters left to narrate the story)
Sam is gone, the only pov charecter reamining on the Wall is Mellisandre, who is not connected to the Night's Watch in any meaningful way. PLus we have the "who are Jon's parents" dilemma, which is heatedly discussed and GRRM keeps smiling when asked and telling to wait and read on...
Imo, it will probably come down to the combination of the 3 options imo, i d bet 1-100 that he will be back/ wont be dead
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[QUOTE]On April 13 2012 05:06 Geo.Rion wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
PLus we have the "who are Jon's parents" dilemma, which is heatedly discussed and GRRM keeps smiling when asked and telling to wait and read on...
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Why the fuck is there a plural? Is there any discussion whether or not Jon is a Stark?
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On April 13 2012 05:45 kafkaesque wrote:
Why the fuck is there a plural? Is there any discussion whether or not Jon is a Stark?
Which Stark.
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On April 13 2012 05:45 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:06 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
PLus we have the "who are Jon's parents" dilemma, which is heatedly discussed and GRRM keeps smiling when asked and telling to wait and read on...
Why the fuck is there a plural? Is there any discussion whether or not Jon is a Stark?
Uhh...no I don't think anyone questions whether or not he is a Stark but the debate is rather heated over which of his parents was a Stark.
The most commonly held theory is that he is the love-child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard kept it a secret in order to protect him from the various parties who would like to see the only living Targaryen in Westeros killed.
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On April 13 2012 06:01 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:45 kafkaesque wrote:On April 13 2012 05:06 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
PLus we have the "who are Jon's parents" dilemma, which is heatedly discussed and GRRM keeps smiling when asked and telling to wait and read on...
Why the fuck is there a plural? Is there any discussion whether or not Jon is a Stark? Uhh...no I don't think anyone questions whether or not he is a Stark but the debate is rather heated over which of his parents was a Stark. The most commonly held theory is that he is the love-child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard kept it a secret in order to protect him from the various parties who would like to see the only living Targaryen in Westeros killed.
What? I didn't even try to contest him being Ned's son, I only thought his mother was quite the enigma.
I guess I'll have to reread the series, as I would have never come to that conclusion.
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On April 14 2012 04:30 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 06:01 ZasZ. wrote:On April 13 2012 05:45 kafkaesque wrote:On April 13 2012 05:06 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 13 2012 01:21 Exinferis wrote:
PLus we have the "who are Jon's parents" dilemma, which is heatedly discussed and GRRM keeps smiling when asked and telling to wait and read on...
Why the fuck is there a plural? Is there any discussion whether or not Jon is a Stark? Uhh...no I don't think anyone questions whether or not he is a Stark but the debate is rather heated over which of his parents was a Stark. The most commonly held theory is that he is the love-child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard kept it a secret in order to protect him from the various parties who would like to see the only living Targaryen in Westeros killed. What? I didn't even try to contest him being Ned's son, I only thought his mother was quite the enigma. I guess I'll have to reread the series, as I would have never come to that conclusion.
You can check this out for all the relevant quotes:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
It's mostly Ned's rebellion flashbacks, and the constant reference to his "Promise". Theres also some pretty subtle hints in Dany's House of the Undying chapter. (You need to remember that Lyanna likes blue roses).
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I thought Tyrion was gonna join up with Dany and go invade Westeros but now I dunno. I think Aegon is going to get a rude awakening trying to conquer Westeros and there just isn't any force around right now with the strength or the will to actually deal with the Others whenever they do whatever it is they're going to do... unless Jon is still alive, if he is maybe he'll end up marrying Dany in the end and they'll reunite the seven kingdoms and beat the Others back.
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Presumably the Wall will be broken at some point. Fighting between the wildlings and the watch now that the binding element between them (Jon) is gone is a good pretext for it.
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On April 13 2012 00:51 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 18:41 Maginor wrote:On April 11 2012 15:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 11 2012 13:02 Drowsy wrote:
Yeah he looks more like Renly and Robert's dad rather than the middle child. I imagined him way more big and muscular, but also fully bald and with a beard. In demeanor though, the actor carries the essence of Stannis very well even he's not physically much like him.
Renly is a very good fit and 100% as I imagined. about that, amazing how perfectly all the Lannisters fit the descriptions in the book, Myrcella might be an exception, the girl kinda looks like a common Irish little girl not a princess. I also like how the northeners are played mostly by Scottish actors Princesses usually don't look "like princesses". myrcella is supposed to be beautiful that girl is uber plain
you're my new enemy #1.
Myrcella is pretty and you suck!
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