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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
January 11 2015 12:18 GMT
#11421
On January 11 2015 17:49 LennX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 17:22 Geo.Rion wrote:
GRRM confirms that Coldhands is not in fact Benjen Stark
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/01/09/george-r-r-martins-original-dance-dragons-manuscript-debunks-popular-fan-theory/


Damn. What really happened to Benjen?

Guess he just died out there. Poor Starks, they've met with a terrible fate, haven't they?
JD is BONJWA!
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
January 11 2015 13:03 GMT
#11422
It seemed pretty obvious that it wasn't Benjen, I never understood why that theory got so much traction...
No will to live, no wish to die
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 11 2015 13:03 GMT
#11423
On January 11 2015 21:18 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 17:49 LennX wrote:
On January 11 2015 17:22 Geo.Rion wrote:
GRRM confirms that Coldhands is not in fact Benjen Stark
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/01/09/george-r-r-martins-original-dance-dragons-manuscript-debunks-popular-fan-theory/


Damn. What really happened to Benjen?

Guess he just died out there. Poor Starks, they've met with a terrible fate, haven't they?


I'm really reluctant to believe that.

It almost seems to me that GRRM makes a point of underlining the fact that it is possible to survive for a long time beyond the Wall, as per Qhorin Halfhand standards.

Could just be my wishful thinking though.
I like words.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 14:28:30
January 11 2015 14:28 GMT
#11424
How could Coldhands ever be Benjen? Leaf tells Bran the Others/Wights killed him a long time ago, and I'd expect when one of the Children says something like that then it's not something that happened in the recent 2 years or anything.
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
January 11 2015 15:39 GMT
#11425
On January 11 2015 23:28 daemir wrote:
How could Coldhands ever be Benjen? Leaf tells Bran the Others/Wights killed him a long time ago, and I'd expect when one of the Children says something like that then it's not something that happened in the recent 2 years or anything.

I like the theory that Coldhands is the Night's King. As former Lord Commander, he knows secrets about The Wall, wich he used to help Sam; he was friendly with The Others and took an other as his queen; He died long time ago; Old Nan implies he was a Stark.

JD is BONJWA!
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
January 11 2015 17:04 GMT
#11426
On January 12 2015 00:39 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 23:28 daemir wrote:
How could Coldhands ever be Benjen? Leaf tells Bran the Others/Wights killed him a long time ago, and I'd expect when one of the Children says something like that then it's not something that happened in the recent 2 years or anything.

I like the theory that Coldhands is the Night's King. As former Lord Commander, he knows secrets about The Wall, wich he used to help Sam; he was friendly with The Others and took an other as his queen; He died long time ago; Old Nan implies he was a Stark.



Considering that the guy who changed the baby at the end of season 4 episode 4 was credited as "the Night's King", and then the credit was removed so that people wouldn't see that, I think we know where the night's king is in the Asoiaf universe.

I just think Coldhands is someone from Dunk & Egg honestly.
No will to live, no wish to die
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
January 11 2015 17:05 GMT
#11427
On January 12 2015 00:39 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 23:28 daemir wrote:
How could Coldhands ever be Benjen? Leaf tells Bran the Others/Wights killed him a long time ago, and I'd expect when one of the Children says something like that then it's not something that happened in the recent 2 years or anything.

I like the theory that Coldhands is the Night's King. As former Lord Commander, he knows secrets about The Wall, wich he used to help Sam; he was friendly with The Others and took an other as his queen; He died long time ago; Old Nan implies he was a Stark.



And this is the reason I've stopped watching the show.....

For now, anyways.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 12 2015 13:06 GMT
#11428
On January 12 2015 02:04 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 00:39 GWdeathscythe wrote:
On January 11 2015 23:28 daemir wrote:
How could Coldhands ever be Benjen? Leaf tells Bran the Others/Wights killed him a long time ago, and I'd expect when one of the Children says something like that then it's not something that happened in the recent 2 years or anything.

I like the theory that Coldhands is the Night's King. As former Lord Commander, he knows secrets about The Wall, wich he used to help Sam; he was friendly with The Others and took an other as his queen; He died long time ago; Old Nan implies he was a Stark.



Considering that the guy who changed the baby at the end of season 4 episode 4 was credited as "the Night's King", and then the credit was removed so that people wouldn't see that, I think we know where the night's king is in the Asoiaf universe.

I just think Coldhands is someone from Dunk & Egg honestly.

Then again, there is no Coldhands in the show (..yet), so it's quite possible that you're both right.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 30 2015 10:51 GMT
#11429
S5 trailer:



Posted in the TV thread, but figured it's pretty discussion worthy here too.

What piqued my interest the most is Varys' line: "Who said anything about a 'him'?". Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he supposed to be a supporter of (f)Aegon? Why would he align himself with Daenerys in the show?

More likely though, it's just a line they cherry-picked to make it look ambiguous.

Trailer looks good otherwise. Waiting for a HD/real one to judge a little better.
I like words.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
January 30 2015 11:21 GMT
#11430
I'm guessing Aegon will be left out and Tyrion will get to Dany quite quickly so I presume Varys will just be aligned to Targaryens in the show.

I wonder who Olenna is talking to.

Arya looks like she's gotten a lot taller!
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
January 30 2015 13:10 GMT
#11431
Oh snap, so much hype. Looks like we're gonna see some changes (which is good for pacing reasons).
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 13:13:00
January 30 2015 13:12 GMT
#11432
Fuck, that trailer.

On the one hand, I'm very very excited about season 5 and want to watch it as soon as possible. On the other hand, I want to avoid potential spoilers for the 6th book. Sophie's choice right there.

On a different note, does anyone know what version/cover of David Bowie's 'Heroes' was used in that trailer? It sounded really good.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 30 2015 14:31 GMT
#11433
On January 30 2015 22:12 Mikau wrote:
Fuck, that trailer.

On the one hand, I'm very very excited about season 5 and want to watch it as soon as possible. On the other hand, I want to avoid potential spoilers for the 6th book. Sophie's choice right there.

Hah, good luck with that. Even if you end up not watching the show at all, the internet will be full of spoilers from the show anyhow. It's far too popular to avoid, no matter what you do.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
January 30 2015 14:45 GMT
#11434
Most spoilers will be subtle spoilers though. It is unlikely that anything big (like important characters dying) will be spoiled because s5 will still roughly tell the story of books 4 and 5. The spoilers that will probably be there won't be noticed by non book readers so won't be big on the internet (like for example the Red and Purple weddings were)
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
January 30 2015 14:46 GMT
#11435
I think you underestimate just how much the show is going to deviate from the books this season.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
January 30 2015 15:07 GMT
#11436
If it deviates from the books then it's hardly a spoiler isn't it?
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 30 2015 15:12 GMT
#11437
The broad strokes will be there, though.

There's already been a (albeit potential) major spoiler in the show: the stuff about the White Walker (or Night's King?) turning the baby into one of his kind.

As much as I'd like to not watch the show to discover the story through the books, I don't think it's doable.
I like words.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
January 30 2015 15:26 GMT
#11438
Yes, and those broad strokes will be largely the same. The only people who made a big deal out of the Night King character were book readers. When I talk to friends who only watched the show, they barely even registered the character. The things people who only watch the shows get excited about are stuff like the Red Wedding, Purple Wedding, or the Red Viper's death.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
January 30 2015 15:46 GMT
#11439
no faegon is strange, no arianne feels so weird, no quentyn is amazing
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
January 30 2015 16:22 GMT
#11440
Having the show progress ahead of the books isn't all that bad. We all know GRRM is having trouble with his pacing already. It's not inconceivable that the screenwriters do a decent job navigating the next few seasons hitting GRRM's major plot points.
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