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On May 24 2014 02:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 23:24 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 23 2014 23:07 chillpenguin wrote:On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.
4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.
Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips
Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.
Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?
Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:
A Feast for Crows
Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.
A Dance with Dragons
While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".
He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.
In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.
She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.
GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.
Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".
Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree
Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories. Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree! Ugh... people are just so bored I guess. Also, as a side note, it's "whoa" not "woah".[1] I hate seeing Reddit propagate this misspelling to our little corner of the net. [1]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woah I spell it "woah" my entire life and i cant remember anybody writing whoa ever. That looks really weird. I dont know how you can blame reddit for it.
And now you've been enlightened.
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Well if we look at the chapter from winds of winter, we might be able to guess who she ends up fighting going by what that chapter entails.
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hey guys maybe this is a stupid question but my friends keep talking about cleganebowl and they refuse to tell me what it is so now i'm here. any idea what it's about?
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Superbowl in clegane version.
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On May 24 2014 12:32 prplhz wrote:
hey guys maybe this is a stupid question but my friends keep talking about cleganebowl and they refuse to tell me what it is so now i'm here. any idea what it's about?
The theory is that Sandor is the gravedigger on the Quiet Isle and will be chosen by the Faith to fight Robert Strong at Cersei`s trial.
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On May 24 2014 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 00:23 Conti wrote:Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised. + Show Spoiler +Get ready for lots of Dorne action. http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that. Guess I'll put this in spoilers too just in case + Show Spoiler +Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change. Hmm any speculation on which character she is going to fight? apparently not just a fight too a "Major" fight?
+ Show Spoiler +My bet is that this means no Hotah vs Oakheart. She takes Hotah's job and kills _______, who in turn is standing in for Oakheart.
I'll go with Meryn Trant. How about a situation with him also standing in as the delivery boy of Gregor's skull and it is all reworked to overlap with the Myrcella for queen plot?
The other thread won't be getting to add Arianne to their hot women polls seeing as she is apparently role merged with her little brother. The tragedy. Or perhaps it is Quent and Trystane who are being merged, while Arianne has been merged into...I'll go with Nym?
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On May 24 2014 13:57 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 24 2014 00:23 Conti wrote:Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised. + Show Spoiler +Get ready for lots of Dorne action. http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that. Guess I'll put this in spoilers too just in case + Show Spoiler +Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change. Hmm any speculation on which character she is going to fight? apparently not just a fight too a "Major" fight? + Show Spoiler +My bet is that this means no Hotah vs Oakheart. She takes Hotah's job and kills _______, who in turn is standing in for Oakheart.
I'll go with Meryn Trant. How about a situation with him also standing in as the delivery boy of Gregor's skull and it is all reworked to overlap with the Myrcella for queen plot?
The other thread won't be getting to add Arianne to their hot women polls seeing as she is apparently role merged with her little brother. The tragedy. Or perhaps it is Quent and Trystane who are being merged, while Arianne has been merged into...I'll go with Nym?
+ Show Spoiler +
they'd be stupid to cut Ariana tbh, she's the heir to Dorne and i really dont see a reason to cut her; she's going to kingslanding later so its not like she's gonna do nothing. Besides, she's the only one who made something happen in Dorne thus far, i would dislike to see her merged/changed heavily from the books when they could just cast her as Ariana.
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On May 24 2014 15:40 Koerage wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 13:57 Irrelevant Label wrote:On May 24 2014 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 24 2014 00:23 Conti wrote:Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised. + Show Spoiler +Get ready for lots of Dorne action. http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that. Guess I'll put this in spoilers too just in case + Show Spoiler +Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change. Hmm any speculation on which character she is going to fight? apparently not just a fight too a "Major" fight? + Show Spoiler +My bet is that this means no Hotah vs Oakheart. She takes Hotah's job and kills _______, who in turn is standing in for Oakheart.
I'll go with Meryn Trant. How about a situation with him also standing in as the delivery boy of Gregor's skull and it is all reworked to overlap with the Myrcella for queen plot?
The other thread won't be getting to add Arianne to their hot women polls seeing as she is apparently role merged with her little brother. The tragedy. Or perhaps it is Quent and Trystane who are being merged, while Arianne has been merged into...I'll go with Nym? + Show Spoiler +
they'd be stupid to cut Ariana tbh, she's the heir to Dorne and i really dont see a reason to cut her; she's going to kingslanding later so its not like she's gonna do nothing. Besides, she's the only one who made something happen in Dorne thus far, i would dislike to see her merged/changed heavily from the books when they could just cast her as Ariana.
+ Show Spoiler +It makes no sense to merge Arianna's character with someone else's. She has her own plot, and she is an excellent excuse for gratuitous nudity. I really hope they do keep her as a sole character.
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On May 23 2014 20:50 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 20:24 Mikau wrote:On May 23 2014 18:00 Spaylz wrote:On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen. Well, he might just as well be alive in the show. I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it. It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap. I doubt sex is on your mind much when you're locked in a vault, fearing for your life. On the contrary, sex is probably the ONLY thing on my mind in a situation like that.
I don't know, I would try anything and everything to escape, no matter how hopeless.
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On May 24 2014 18:37 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 20:50 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 23 2014 20:24 Mikau wrote:On May 23 2014 18:00 Spaylz wrote:On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen. Well, he might just as well be alive in the show. I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it. It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap. I doubt sex is on your mind much when you're locked in a vault, fearing for your life. On the contrary, sex is probably the ONLY thing on my mind in a situation like that. I don't know, I would try anything and everything to escape, no matter how hopeless.
and then have sex
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On May 24 2014 15:47 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 15:40 Koerage wrote:On May 24 2014 13:57 Irrelevant Label wrote:On May 24 2014 01:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On May 24 2014 00:23 Conti wrote:Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised. + Show Spoiler +Get ready for lots of Dorne action. http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that. Guess I'll put this in spoilers too just in case + Show Spoiler +Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change. Hmm any speculation on which character she is going to fight? apparently not just a fight too a "Major" fight? + Show Spoiler +My bet is that this means no Hotah vs Oakheart. She takes Hotah's job and kills _______, who in turn is standing in for Oakheart.
I'll go with Meryn Trant. How about a situation with him also standing in as the delivery boy of Gregor's skull and it is all reworked to overlap with the Myrcella for queen plot?
The other thread won't be getting to add Arianne to their hot women polls seeing as she is apparently role merged with her little brother. The tragedy. Or perhaps it is Quent and Trystane who are being merged, while Arianne has been merged into...I'll go with Nym? + Show Spoiler +
they'd be stupid to cut Ariana tbh, she's the heir to Dorne and i really dont see a reason to cut her; she's going to kingslanding later so its not like she's gonna do nothing. Besides, she's the only one who made something happen in Dorne thus far, i would dislike to see her merged/changed heavily from the books when they could just cast her as Ariana.
+ Show Spoiler +It makes no sense to merge Arianna's character with someone else's. She has her own plot, and she is an excellent excuse for gratuitous nudity. I really hope they do keep her as a sole character.
+ Show Spoiler +We should remember that these were just some casting calls someone found. That does not mean that they were all the casting calls there are for the next season. It's also entirely possible that they already casted Arianna (maybe they had a certain actress in mind from the get go) and therefore never needed a casting call for her character in the first place.
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+ Show Spoiler +She is a gold mine for gratuitous nudity, but Nym and Tyene can be the same if they merge them. The main thing she provides that nobody else does is the fact of being a female heir apparent to Dorne, which the show can mention in dialogue easily enough without her. She doesn't really do anything that the Sand Snakes couldn't have done without her, and if Quent does not exist in his book form then her motives might be a bit fubared anyway.
There will be more casting than this so she may be in. The main thing that got me thinking merge was how it appeared some of her traits had been moved to Nym and Tyene. Tyene isn't one of the seductresses of the bunch, and Nymeria isn't the emotional one. Both of those fit Arianne. Those seem like merger red flags to me.
The final reason is the simple matter of numbers. That is a lot new people. If they were to also include her, let alone Quent, then house Martell would end up conspicuously low on merged roles in a way nobody else other than houses Stark and Lannister have. Then again, half the Night Watchmen, most of the Freys, half the KL court, Davos' sons, season 2 Selyse, Brown Ben, Belwas, Coldhands, Victarion, Lem, Garlan and Willas are not goldmines for gratuitous nudity. (and poor Jeyne wasn't someone they thought it was reasonable to get naked enough I guess?)
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On May 24 2014 02:50 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 02:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On May 23 2014 23:24 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 23 2014 23:07 chillpenguin wrote:On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.
4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.
Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips
Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.
Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?
Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:
A Feast for Crows
Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.
A Dance with Dragons
While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".
He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.
In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.
She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.
GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.
Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".
Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree
Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories. Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree! Ugh... people are just so bored I guess. Also, as a side note, it's "whoa" not "woah".[1] I hate seeing Reddit propagate this misspelling to our little corner of the net. [1]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woah I spell it "woah" my entire life and i cant remember anybody writing whoa ever. That looks really weird. I dont know how you can blame reddit for it. And now you've been enlightened.
"whoa"
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wow such a metaspoiler poll on the other thread :D Everyone hated Catelyn yet she is somehow leading on who do you wish to be still alive...
Why not create a poll "Who do you think will die next" and put options : The Hound, Oberyn, Tywin
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Well, it's just 2 people who voted for her so far.. Sir Carl Drogo is leading now.
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On May 26 2014 06:13 0x64 wrote:
wow such a metaspoiler poll on the other thread :D Everyone hated Catelyn yet she is somehow leading on who do you wish to be still alive...
Why not create a poll "Who do you think will die next" and put options : The Hound, Oberyn, Tywin
Sometimes people in the other thread make comments about a person they like a lot winning and we collectively giggle about how that person dies soon. This is somewhat similar to that, only more of a "careful what you wish for" type of schadenfreude.
Don't forget Shae, the mountain, and all of the above in that death poll.
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On May 26 2014 06:47 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 06:13 0x64 wrote:
wow such a metaspoiler poll on the other thread :D Everyone hated Catelyn yet she is somehow leading on who do you wish to be still alive...
Why not create a poll "Who do you think will die next" and put options : The Hound, Oberyn, Tywin Sometimes people in the other thread make comments about a person they like a lot winning and we collectively giggle about how that person dies soon. This is somewhat similar to that, only more of a "careful what you wish for" type of schadenfreude. Don't forget Shae, the mountain, and all of the above in that death poll.
Yeah, Shae, sure.
The Mountain, I'm not sure he will "die" this season.
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On May 26 2014 06:13 0x64 wrote:
wow such a metaspoiler poll on the other thread :D Everyone hated Catelyn yet she is somehow leading on who do you wish to be still alive...
Why not create a poll "Who do you think will die next" and put options : The Hound, Oberyn, Tywin
I think a reader creating a poll like that is pushing the boundaries of spoilers. Characters that non-readers may not even think are in risk of death like Tywin would suddenly be considered a lot more than they otherwise might. Unless the poll includes literally every major character. And even then any reader who votes correctly is risking spoiling things.
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On May 26 2014 07:58 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 06:13 0x64 wrote:
wow such a metaspoiler poll on the other thread :D Everyone hated Catelyn yet she is somehow leading on who do you wish to be still alive...
Why not create a poll "Who do you think will die next" and put options : The Hound, Oberyn, Tywin I think a reader creating a poll like that is pushing the boundaries of spoilers. Characters that non-readers may not even think are in risk of death like Tywin would suddenly be considered a lot more than they otherwise might. Unless the poll includes literally every major character. And even then any reader who votes correctly is risking spoiling things.
I think that's less of a problem than book-readers voting for characters that actually will die or come back, like Catelyn in this case. It's a chance for all the people wanting to be dicks to be dicks without fear of moderation because their voice gets lost in the poll, but if a character like Catelyn ends up at the top of a poll like that, all the show-watchers are going to be scratching their heads as to why, and the only reasonable explanation is that she does in fact come back and they're being trolled by people who know the story already.
It's for this reason I really don't like it when people make prediction polls in that other thread, and I'm not sure why it's allowed. Who's hottest or who is the best fighter polls, sure, but when you are asking the masses to weigh in on what direction the plot will go in, that's playing with fire.
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