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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 12:54:56
May 22 2014 12:37 GMT
#9941
It might be a minor point but its established that Aegon/The Pisswater Prince was beaten into an unrecognizable bowl of blood, guts and brains wrapped togheter in lannister coats. It was assumed to be Aegon but noone could have really said.

I dont believe Amory Lorch or Gregor Clegane (who were the only witnesses along with Elia who died) would have been able to identify the Prince.
you no take candle
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 22 2014 13:21 GMT
#9942
I don't think Aegon is fake.

I think I've said it in the thread before, but Varys explains his plot and talks about the identity of Aegon to Kevan, who is about to die. He already shot the bolt at this point, so it's only a matter of minutes. I seriously don't see the point of lying to a dying man, with no one else around aside from Varys' birds. And they won't tell on him.

That conversation is obviously a plot telling device for GRRM, but he's not such a weak writer that he'd have Varys lie to a dying man for no reason. It's too cheap.
I like words.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 13:30:18
May 22 2014 13:29 GMT
#9943
It doesnt really matter to me if he is fake. Daemon Blackfyre was a full blood Targaryen in every aspect, except in name. Even if Aegon is a Blackfyre, he still shares the same blood and ancestry as Daenerys.
you no take candle
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18411 Posts
May 22 2014 19:20 GMT
#9944
On May 20 2014 23:18 KOFgokuon wrote:
Oh I think the euron = daario theory is stupid don't get me wrong, it's wishful thinking IMO


I agree. I'm fairly certain someone would have noticed if Euron had blue hair...
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 22 2014 19:22 GMT
#9945
To be fair, dying hair isn't particularly difficult.
It's your boy Guzma!
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 22 2014 19:27 GMT
#9946
Like I said earlier, the time line that the author is using as a source is not in chronological order. He is comparing events that happen in Feast with events in Dance, but in reality the arrival of Euron and the events of the King's Moot happen in Storm of Swords chronologically.

Robb hears about Balon's death and Euron taking the Seastone Chair in Chapter 46: Catelyn V of ASOS before the Red Wedding. Dany hasn't even taken Meereen yet, if we assume that the chapters in ASOS are in chronological order. Daario is present in
Chapter 58: Daenerys V and Chapter 72: Daenerys VI of ASOS.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 22 2014 19:39 GMT
#9947
Pretty sure GRRM is too good a writer to have something stupid like Euron = Daario... Hey guy's you know this one character who has a really distinctive appearance, with a 3 pointed blue beard. Yeah well he's also this other guy who I described the distinctive physical characteristics of like blue lips and an eyepatch... but I decided not to tell you about the beard. Ha I got you guys good, you should've seen the look on your faces!

I'm of the opinion that GRRM doesn't deceive by omission.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 19:43:57
May 22 2014 19:43 GMT
#9948
On May 23 2014 04:39 Dgiese wrote:
Pretty sure GRRM is too good a writer to have something stupid like Euron = Daario... Hey guy's you know this one character who has a really distinctive appearance, with a 3 pointed blue beard. Yeah well he's also this other guy who I described the distinctive physical characteristics of like blue lips and an eyepatch... but I decided not to tell you about the beard. Ha I got you guys good, you should've seen the look on your faces!

I'm of the opinion that GRRM doesn't deceive by omission.

I dunno, given that the writers know more of the story at large than we do, I think it's possible. We haven't seen Balon's death, and subsequently we haven't seen the Kingsmoot. Daario is leaving Mereen now, giving the possibility that he will show up in Westeros in the later part of the season, which is when I expect to see the Kingsmoot (if we see it at all).

I'm not saying I buy it or anything, but I see it as a possibility.

Edit: and he's definitely deceived by omission before.
It's your boy Guzma!
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 19:48:21
May 22 2014 19:46 GMT
#9949
The fact that it is possible using the show's time line, doesn't make it possible in the book's timeline, which is completely different. The King's Moot, assuming it still happens in the show, won't be til next season. Euron, Victarion and Damphair have not been cast yet.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
May 22 2014 20:17 GMT
#9950
Damphair was in season 2.

I cant wait for Euron. I always thought Victarion was sort of stale and boring, kinda like Stannis.
you no take candle
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 22 2014 20:21 GMT
#9951
Well, when I say deceiving by omission I'm talking about a major and easily identifiable physical attribute. It's like saying Tyrion was actually Stannis, everything works, I just didn't tell you that Stannis was also a dwarf! Haha!
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#9952
Yeah, no, Daario = Euron is ridiculous.

I can't wait for the Greyjoys to be cast on the show though. I really wonder what actors they will go for.
I like words.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
May 22 2014 20:39 GMT
#9953
well Daario looks like a clown so it seems natural that its a disguise.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 22 2014 20:45 GMT
#9954
On May 23 2014 05:17 sc2holar wrote:
Damphair was in season 2.

I cant wait for Euron. I always thought Victarion was sort of stale and boring, kinda like Stannis.



A Drowned Priest appears in the second season but has been confirmed as not being Aeron, who may be cast for later seasons.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 22 2014 20:45 GMT
#9955
So Daario's beard is a stick on, and Euron's eyepatch is a fake. Sounds legit.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 21:18:34
May 22 2014 21:17 GMT
#9956
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.

4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.

Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips

Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.

Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?

Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:

A Feast for Crows

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

A Dance with Dragons

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.

She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.


GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.

Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".

Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree

Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories.
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
May 22 2014 23:44 GMT
#9957
didnt he pretty much burn to death in the series? He did make copies of himself but he was still burning at the end of S2...
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 23 2014 00:39 GMT
#9958
It's not like the show is particularly concerned about what happens in the book. There are a number of characters who have died on the show and are still alive in the books, or who have been cut all together, or made so different that the only thing they have in common with their book version is their name.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 23 2014 02:21 GMT
#9959
Indeed, like how about how they killed Jhaqo in season 1 when we know Dany meets him in ADWD
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 23 2014 08:20 GMT
#9960
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.
I like words.
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