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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15361 Posts
May 23 2014 08:58 GMT
#9961
On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.

Well, he might just as well be alive in the show.
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 09:00:26
May 23 2014 09:00 GMT
#9962
On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.

Well, he might just as well be alive in the show.


I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it.

It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap.
I like words.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 23 2014 11:08 GMT
#9963
I think it's pretty stupid when people from this thread comment on stuff like Arya and Brienne being out of character in the TV thread (looking at you Spaylz :D) since we only know that due to their book chapters and inner monologues.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 11:17:31
May 23 2014 11:16 GMT
#9964
On May 23 2014 20:08 Grovbolle wrote:
I think it's pretty stupid when people from this thread comment on stuff like Arya and Brienne being out of character in the TV thread (looking at you Spaylz :D) since we only know that due to their book chapters and inner monologues.


What? When have you even seen Show!Brienne be condescending and sarcastic the way she was in the last episode?

Even in the show, it's completely out of character for her.

The closest example I can think of is the bath scene with Jaime in S3, when she says "you need trust to have a truce". But even then, it's a deep disliking and it's not sardonic/mocking.
I like words.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
May 23 2014 11:24 GMT
#9965
On May 23 2014 18:00 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.

Well, he might just as well be alive in the show.


I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it.

It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap.

I doubt sex is on your mind much when you're locked in a vault, fearing for your life.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16118 Posts
May 23 2014 11:50 GMT
#9966
On May 23 2014 20:24 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 18:00 Spaylz wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.

Well, he might just as well be alive in the show.


I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it.

It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap.

I doubt sex is on your mind much when you're locked in a vault, fearing for your life.


On the contrary, sex is probably the ONLY thing on my mind in a situation like that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 23 2014 12:06 GMT
#9967
On May 23 2014 20:24 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 18:00 Spaylz wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:58 zatic wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:20 Spaylz wrote:
Or how Xaro Xhoan Doxos is dead in the show, when he is still alive in the books, and declares war on Meereen.

Well, he might just as well be alive in the show.


I suppose so. He never actually dies yeah, it's just that when you are locked up in a vault with no food and a gorgeous woman, I'd bet your life force will be "sucked out" pretty soon. Plus only Dany had the key, so nobody else can open it.

It's a very fair, if not automatic assumption to think that he is dead. If it turns out he isn't, it'll be incredibly cheap.

I doubt sex is on your mind much when you're locked in a vault, fearing for your life.


Well, if you're about to die anyway...
I like words.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 12:12:02
May 23 2014 12:09 GMT
#9968
On May 23 2014 20:16 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 20:08 Grovbolle wrote:
I think it's pretty stupid when people from this thread comment on stuff like Arya and Brienne being out of character in the TV thread (looking at you Spaylz :D) since we only know that due to their book chapters and inner monologues.


What? When have you even seen Show!Brienne be condescending and sarcastic the way she was in the last episode?

Even in the show, it's completely out of character for her.

The closest example I can think of is the bath scene with Jaime in S3, when she says "you need trust to have a truce". But even then, it's a deep disliking and it's not sardonic/mocking.

She is with Podrick, and noone takes him fully serious. And the word sardonic is way over the top here. It was just one harmless sarcastic comment.
Off-season = best season
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
May 23 2014 14:07 GMT
#9969
On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.

4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.

Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips

Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.

Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?

Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:

A Feast for Crows

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

A Dance with Dragons

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.

She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.


GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.

Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".

Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree

Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories.


Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree!
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 23 2014 14:12 GMT
#9970
On May 23 2014 20:16 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 20:08 Grovbolle wrote:
I think it's pretty stupid when people from this thread comment on stuff like Arya and Brienne being out of character in the TV thread (looking at you Spaylz :D) since we only know that due to their book chapters and inner monologues.


What? When have you even seen Show!Brienne be condescending and sarcastic the way she was in the last episode?

Even in the show, it's completely out of character for her.

The closest example I can think of is the bath scene with Jaime in S3, when she says "you need trust to have a truce". But even then, it's a deep disliking and it's not sardonic/mocking.

I really don't consider that out of character for her. This is the first time we have seen her interact with someone who is not equal or in a higher social rank than her. On top of that, she clearly doesn't want poor Pod to be there in the first place, and she clearly doesn't respect him all that much (yet). Show Brienne's actions towards him seem perfectly fine to me considering all that.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 23 2014 14:24 GMT
#9971
On May 23 2014 23:07 chillpenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.

4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.

Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips

Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.

Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?

Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:

A Feast for Crows

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

A Dance with Dragons

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.

She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.


GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.

Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".

Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree

Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories.


Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree!


Ugh... people are just so bored I guess.

Also, as a side note, it's "whoa" not "woah".[1] I hate seeing Reddit propagate this misspelling to our little corner of the net.

[1]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woah
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 23 2014 14:37 GMT
#9972
On May 23 2014 23:24 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 23:07 chillpenguin wrote:
On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.

4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.

Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips

Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.

Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?

Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:

A Feast for Crows

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

A Dance with Dragons

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.

She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.


GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.

Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".

Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree

Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories.


Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree!



Also, as a side note, it's "whoa" not "woah".[1] I hate seeing Reddit propagate this misspelling to our little corner of the net.

[1]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woah

Ugh... people are just so bored I guess.

Sry but you kinda asked for it
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
May 23 2014 15:23 GMT
#9973
Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised.

+ Show Spoiler +
Get ready for lots of Dorne action.

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/

The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 23 2014 16:09 GMT
#9974
Oh man, that's amazing.

I mean, we were bound to get the ToJ flashback at some point, right?

If they focus on Dorne a lot, maybe we still won't see the Greyjoys... They need to keep all the main actors, and most of them will not be in Dorne. That would leave little time for the Iron Islands.
I like words.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
May 23 2014 16:22 GMT
#9975
I'm worried by the absence of Arianne, unless they already have someone for this role
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 23 2014 16:27 GMT
#9976
On May 24 2014 01:22 Yhamm wrote:
I'm worried by the absence of Arianne, unless they already have someone for this role

Arianne is perfect for some sexy time, no need to be worried imo
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 16:35:48
May 23 2014 16:35 GMT
#9977
Which of course probably means they cast another actress who isn't willing to do nude scenes and fill the sex quota with random whore scenes.

Tywin's death should be the real shocker for the non-readers to finish out the season. People might be pissed at Oberyn, but it's a fight to the death so you can't really be that shocked. Tywin's death shouldn't be something any of the non-readers see coming.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
May 23 2014 16:53 GMT
#9978
On May 24 2014 00:23 Conti wrote:
Some casting calls for the next seasons have surfaced with some pretty interesting information. Putting it in spoilers just in case people want to be surprised.

+ Show Spoiler +
Get ready for lots of Dorne action.

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/

The most interesting piece of information to me is the casting of Maggy the Frog. So far the show has not shown flashbacks of any kind. With the casting of Maggy, it looks like we will see our first flashback, ever. Or will they show Cersei's past in Bran's visions instead? If so, that would allow them to show pretty much everything of importance (hello, Tower of Joy) through his visions. Really looking forward to that.

Guess I'll put this in spoilers too just in case
+ Show Spoiler +
Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change. Hmm any speculation on which character she is going to fight? apparently not just a fight too a "Major" fight?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
May 23 2014 17:21 GMT
#9979
On May 23 2014 23:24 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 23:07 chillpenguin wrote:
On May 23 2014 06:17 karazax wrote:
It's about as compelling as the other theory out there that Pyatt Pree has killed and replaced Euron.

4 Warlocks went on board the ship 1 conveniently was killed & thrown overboard. What actually happened was Pyatt Pree sucked out Eurons lifeforce and replaced him or is mind controlling him.

Euron was MIA for years
Euron had no interest in Dragons or Dany or doing anything other than being a pirate
Euron had normal lips

Suddenly Euron is back on the scene
Obsessed with Dany & Dragons
Has Blue lips
Is hanging round with Warlocks
1 of the Warlocks has conveniently disappeared.

Why have cool undying blue lipped creepy Warlocks involved in such a pivotal early scene in the series with a strong revenge motivation and ditch them in favour of a one dimensional pirate?

Book notes regarding Pyat Pree after ACOK:

A Feast for Crows

Euron Greyjoy reportedly captured four warlocks leaving a ship from Qarth. Euron killed one for threatening him and then fed him to the three remaining warlocks. The surviving warlocks are reportedly coaching Euron in black magic.

A Dance with Dragons

While visiting Meereen, Xaro Xhoan Daxos informs Daenerys Targaryen that not all her enemies are in Yunkai. He warns her to "beware men with cold hearts and blue lips".

He tells her that she had not been gone a fortnight when Pyat Pree set out from Qarth with three of his fellow warlocks to seek her in Pentos, in order to seek revenge on her for the burning of the House of the Undying. This implies to readers that the warlocks are most likely the ones captured by Euron Greyjoy - who came across four warlocks when he captured a certain galleas out of Qarth.

In private, Ser Barristan voices his concern to Dany about Pyat Pree. When Dany tries to recall Pree's face, all she can see are his lips - which the shade of the evening turned blue.

She tells Ser Barristan that if a warlock's spell could kill her, she would be dead by now. She states that she left their palace in ashes. However, she thinks privately to herself that it was Drogon who saved her when the Undying Ones would have drained the life from her. Drogon burned them all. Ser Barristan does not dispute her and replies that he will be watchful.


GRRM has said that Pyat Pree will make another appearance in the books.

Literary sense
Compelling "evidence".

Therefore Euron = Pyat Pree

Not that I personally believe that at all, just shows how anyone can be anyone when it comes to fan theories.


Woah, what if both the theories are true, and Daario is actually Pyat Pree!


Ugh... people are just so bored I guess.

Also, as a side note, it's "whoa" not "woah".[1] I hate seeing Reddit propagate this misspelling to our little corner of the net.

[1]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woah


I spell it "woah" my entire life and i cant remember anybody writing whoa ever. That looks really weird. I dont know how you can blame reddit for it.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 23 2014 17:23 GMT
#9980
Obara Sand? Hmm... Has to be someone from King's Landing, no?

For some reason my first thought was Jaime, but it makes no sense.
I like words.
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