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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
April 22 2013 05:36 GMT
#5421
This episode was sick. Holy crap it was so good
The ending, the Craster scene, the Hound/Dondarrion confrontation, and just Tywin as a character were all immensely satisfying.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 05:37:48
April 22 2013 05:37 GMT
#5422
I didn't think it could get any better than last episode but this episode sure as hell delivered. Every scene was spot on brilliant.

Also, I got a little teary eyed with the Sansa scene at the end it was so cute haha
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:39:52
April 22 2013 06:03 GMT
#5423
Wow this episode was amazing. I knew as soon as Theon poured his heart out (amazingly I might add), it was going to be brutal.

Tywin/Cersei was absolutely terrific.
The mutiny at Craster's Keep was even better than I imagined in the books.
Margery/Sansa scene had me genuinely happy and almost teary-eyed near the end of it.
Beric/Hound/Ayra was beautifully done.
And holy shit I got goosebumps when Dany revealed she knew Valyrian. So epic.

Only think I didn't enjoy was how indiscreet Varys/Queen of Thorns was. But def. made up by everything else here.

edit: rofl so much shit happened this episode I forgot about Jaime/Brienne in the beginning
Forever Young
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
April 22 2013 06:04 GMT
#5424
Dem camera angles on Dany, but good thing she got to do more than shout after her dragons.

Dondarrion vs Hound gonna be good
TealHorseman
Profile Joined September 2012
36 Posts
April 22 2013 06:07 GMT
#5425
Haven't read this thread. Can someone who's read the book please just PM me if Tarly dies a painful death. Can't stand to watch that fat cowardly bastard anymore.
bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
April 22 2013 06:08 GMT
#5426
Loved the Tywin scene. Dem letters, I can't wait
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 22 2013 06:14 GMT
#5427
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.
=)=
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
April 22 2013 06:17 GMT
#5428
On April 22 2013 15:14 itkovian wrote:
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.


It doesn't seem like Mace is a prolific warrior by any means, we always hear of him just dining outside of Storm's End during the siege.
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Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:22:21
April 22 2013 06:18 GMT
#5429
Every scene was amazingly done. So happy.

I hope Berric/Dondarrion is a good long fight. Haven't read ASoS in awhile... What else is soon to happen? Things I recall:

- Jon is gonna hang in the cave with Ygritte soon and will be climbing the wall,
- things in Kings Landing should be a bit slow until the wedding,
- Coldhands will make an appearance in a couple of episodes for Sam's arc,
- Bran still needs to split up with his brother, and eventually reach the wall,
- Robb should be setting up his uncle's wedding,
- Arya/Hound should be interesting,
- something with Davos,
- Dany marches and hopefully somehow maintains her awesomeness in the show (and not the books),
- Theon is about to get super fucked,
- A BEAR.

Not sure if that covers everything. Did I miss anything or get anything wrong?

EDIT: Missed Sansa getting fucking crushed (especially after today's scene) and married to Tyrion. Sigh.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 22 2013 06:32 GMT
#5430
On April 22 2013 12:54 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
Hey guys. I'm a huge fan of the asoiaf series. I've read all 5 of the books that are out and am working on reading them all again.

So I've just started watching the HBO series and am having a really hard time getting into it. I just can't take any of the show seriously because they leave out so many details and get so much wrong. The show isn't doing the books the justice that they deserve at all.

I'll admit, there are a few epic scenes, but the majority of it all I can do is cringe because nothing is depicted the way I imagined it. I don't know, maybe I'm just a book person and not a TV person.

Is there anyone else that has read the books before watching the show that is having the same problem? I've just finished the first season and think I'm going to leave it at that, which really sucks because I really wanted to like it.


Tv series is amazing! You're missing out bro! One of the best book to tv adaptions ever!
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 22 2013 06:38 GMT
#5431
On April 22 2013 15:17 armada[sb] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:14 itkovian wrote:
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.


It doesn't seem like Mace is a prolific warrior by any means, we always hear of him just dining outside of Storm's End during the siege.


heh heh, yeah. Though it probably would have been pretty stupid of him to try and capture Storm's End. And the siege was doing its job.

I think the Stannis/Mace rivalry is probably one of my favorite rivalries in the book. Especially considering the amount of shit Stannis has endured, compared to the relatively easy path Mace has chosen. Mace feasting outside Storm's End is actually a pretty symbolic comparison between the two. Stannis is constantly being battered and forced to take the hard way, but he still manages to fight through it. Mace relaxes and let's his position do the work, by being on the right side at the right time.
=)=
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
April 22 2013 06:47 GMT
#5432
On April 22 2013 15:38 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:17 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:14 itkovian wrote:
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.


It doesn't seem like Mace is a prolific warrior by any means, we always hear of him just dining outside of Storm's End during the siege.


heh heh, yeah. Though it probably would have been pretty stupid of him to try and capture Storm's End. And the siege was doing its job.

I think the Stannis/Mace rivalry is probably one of my favorite rivalries in the book. Especially considering the amount of shit Stannis has endured, compared to the relatively easy path Mace has chosen. Mace feasting outside Storm's End is actually a pretty symbolic comparison between the two. Stannis is constantly being battered and forced to take the hard way, but he still manages to fight through it. Mace relaxes and let's his position do the work, by being on the right side at the right time.


I feel like I remember another battle being mentioned as further proof of Mace Tyrell being a goof and Randall Tarly being the force behind his Liege Lord.
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GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:49:48
April 22 2013 06:49 GMT
#5433
I'm amazed at how good Margaery is at manipulating Joffrey. She's doing such a brilliant job, we really get to experience her intelligence more so than we had in the books, mainly because it was from Cersei's POV, and she has that way to degrade everyone but herself.
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:56:04
April 22 2013 06:55 GMT
#5434
On April 22 2013 15:18 Enhancer_ wrote:
Every scene was amazingly done. So happy.

I hope Berric/Dondarrion is a good long fight. Haven't read ASoS in awhile... What else is soon to happen? Things I recall:

- Jon is gonna hang in the cave with Ygritte soon and will be climbing the wall,
- things in Kings Landing should be a bit slow until the wedding,
- Coldhands will make an appearance in a couple of episodes for Sam's arc,
- Bran still needs to split up with his brother, and eventually reach the wall,
- Robb should be setting up his uncle's wedding,
- Arya/Hound should be interesting,
- something with Davos,
- Dany marches and hopefully somehow maintains her awesomeness in the show (and not the books),
- Theon is about to get super fucked,
- A BEAR.

Not sure if that covers everything. Did I miss anything or get anything wrong?

EDIT: Missed Sansa getting fucking crushed (especially after today's scene) and married to Tyrion. Sigh.


The red wedding is this season too.

It is hard to say how 'far' Theon will get. How far towards what? They have to give him a season and a half of stuff to do before he shows up with content from the books again. The only thing they "need" to do in that time is break him to the point of becoming Reek.

The preview a week or so ago showed a Thoros/Melisandre scene. That is big known change with who knows what implications for Arya/Gendry/BwoB/Stannis/Davos. Most likely Arya will not be impacted, but she might.

Tywin informing his children of their marriage arrangements and possibly the presentation of the new Lannister valyrian swords promise to be great upcoming Tywin scenes. Also looking forward to him forcing Joff to do something. Unless giving away Sansa to Tyrion counts that will be something new. All he did along those lines was send Joff away from a small council meeting.

I like Dany when she speaks valyrian. She is book 3 Dany right now. That is awesome.

It seems the show is usually at its best when it is either paving entirely new ground (Theon) or sticking close to the books (a reasonably decent portion of the scenes in this episode, particularly the best ones towards the end and everything Jaime/Brienne). It is when they do something in between that it can be pretty weak (like all of Dany's s2 arc, or everything about Cat and Robb).
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 22 2013 06:57 GMT
#5435
On April 22 2013 15:47 armada[sb] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:38 itkovian wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:17 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:14 itkovian wrote:
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.


It doesn't seem like Mace is a prolific warrior by any means, we always hear of him just dining outside of Storm's End during the siege.


heh heh, yeah. Though it probably would have been pretty stupid of him to try and capture Storm's End. And the siege was doing its job.

I think the Stannis/Mace rivalry is probably one of my favorite rivalries in the book. Especially considering the amount of shit Stannis has endured, compared to the relatively easy path Mace has chosen. Mace feasting outside Storm's End is actually a pretty symbolic comparison between the two. Stannis is constantly being battered and forced to take the hard way, but he still manages to fight through it. Mace relaxes and let's his position do the work, by being on the right side at the right time.


I feel like I remember another battle being mentioned as further proof of Mace Tyrell being a goof and Randall Tarly being the force behind his Liege Lord.


Battle of Ashford during the rebellion was primarily won by Randal Tarly, despite what Mace says of his involvement. Think it was the only battle won for the side of the Targ./Crown supporters.
Forever Young
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
April 22 2013 06:58 GMT
#5436
On April 22 2013 15:57 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:47 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:38 itkovian wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:17 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 22 2013 15:14 itkovian wrote:
After this episode I went and read some of the Sansa/Tyrell scenes, and it makes me so disappointed that Sansa was never wed to Willas. When she talks with Margaery about traveling to high garden, it sounds so ideal and relaxed compared to the shit Sansa goes through in King's Landing. The poor girl needs a break haha.

speaking of the Tyrell's, what do people think is going to happen to them in the last couple books? It seems like they've reached their zenith, and after now, I can only imagine them being pushed aside in the up and coming battle.


It doesn't seem like Mace is a prolific warrior by any means, we always hear of him just dining outside of Storm's End during the siege.


heh heh, yeah. Though it probably would have been pretty stupid of him to try and capture Storm's End. And the siege was doing its job.

I think the Stannis/Mace rivalry is probably one of my favorite rivalries in the book. Especially considering the amount of shit Stannis has endured, compared to the relatively easy path Mace has chosen. Mace feasting outside Storm's End is actually a pretty symbolic comparison between the two. Stannis is constantly being battered and forced to take the hard way, but he still manages to fight through it. Mace relaxes and let's his position do the work, by being on the right side at the right time.


I feel like I remember another battle being mentioned as further proof of Mace Tyrell being a goof and Randall Tarly being the force behind his Liege Lord.


Battle of Ashford during the rebellion was primarily won by Randal Tarly, despite what Mace says of his involvement. Think it was the only battle won for the side of the Targ./Crown supporters.


That's the one!
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
April 22 2013 07:25 GMT
#5437
Do we know if coldhands Will appear in the series? He is a great mystery character but i can easily see HBO cut him out or save him for next season.
you no take candle
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
April 22 2013 07:39 GMT
#5438
On April 22 2013 12:54 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
Hey guys. I'm a huge fan of the asoiaf series. I've read all 5 of the books that are out and am working on reading them all again.

So I've just started watching the HBO series and am having a really hard time getting into it. I just can't take any of the show seriously because they leave out so many details and get so much wrong. The show isn't doing the books the justice that they deserve at all.

I'll admit, there are a few epic scenes, but the majority of it all I can do is cringe because nothing is depicted the way I imagined it. I don't know, maybe I'm just a book person and not a TV person.

Is there anyone else that has read the books before watching the show that is having the same problem? I've just finished the first season and think I'm going to leave it at that, which really sucks because I really wanted to like it.


Tbh i may be in minority but prefer show to books. Books had these long ass tedious chapters (all bran basicly, some of daenerys, all these who the hell characters in Feast for Crows).
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
April 22 2013 07:43 GMT
#5439
Do you think that Tyrion - Sansa union will be cut from the show? It's a lot of detail for little reward but it's one of my favorite wtf moments in the book.
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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 07:50:08
April 22 2013 07:49 GMT
#5440
On April 22 2013 16:43 Hoodlum wrote:
Do you think that Tyrion - Sansa union will be cut from the show? It's a lot of detail for little reward but it's one of my favorite wtf moments in the book.

Since the wheels to marry Sansa to Loras are already in motion, they have to go through with the Tyrion - Sansa union in order to get her on the boat with LF. The question is who is gonna be the one who snitches to Tywin about the Tyrell plans?
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