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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 14 2012 03:17 GMT
#2341
On May 14 2012 03:39 Flik wrote:
Tonights episode prediction: Ygritte says "You know nothing, Jon Snow"

If she doesn't Im done, its over, not watching the show ever again. Words are wind.


She said it!

I expected her and Jon's conversation to be a lot more dirty than it was. I mean this is HBO.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 14 2012 03:18 GMT
#2342
Kind of odd of Catelyn Stark to lecture Jaime on war she started.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
May 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#2343
On May 14 2012 12:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of odd of Catelyn Stark to lecture Jaime on war she started.


Are you referring to taking Tyrion prisoner? It was dumb, that's for sure, and she got the wrong man, but I would say murdering the king and attempting to kill her son not once but twice, were in fact the instigating actions.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2012 03:24 GMT
#2344
Jaime didn't try to kill her son twice, only the once. The other time was Joffrey.
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 14 2012 03:38 GMT
#2345
Some of the changes have been questionable, but one that I would say is just totally awesome is making Arya Tywin's cupbearer. The interactions between those two are probably the best part of the show.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 14 2012 03:39 GMT
#2346
Tywin and his entire army is going to have to pull a Littlefinger if they want to get to King's Landing in the "4-5 days until Stannis reaches the gates."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 03:40:33
May 14 2012 03:40 GMT
#2347
On May 14 2012 12:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of odd of Catelyn Stark to lecture Jaime on war she started.


Cersei Lannister and Joffrey Baratheon started the war by murdering King Robert and Eddard Stark, respectively.
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Oerbaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Scotland184 Posts
May 14 2012 03:44 GMT
#2348
Ive never read the books so im actually wondering if it was Bran and the other kid dead at the end of episode 7
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 03:45:23
May 14 2012 03:45 GMT
#2349
On May 14 2012 12:44 Oerbaa wrote:
Ive never read the books so im actually wondering if it was Bran and the other kid dead at the end of episode 7


+ Show Spoiler +
no
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 06:06:51
May 14 2012 03:47 GMT
#2350
On May 14 2012 12:39 setzer wrote:
Tywin and his entire army is going to have to pull a Littlefinger if they want to get to King's Landing in the "4-5 days until Stannis reaches the gates."

I'd always imagined that "pulling a littlefinger" would have a different context.

[image loading]


Thoughts on this episode:

-TV Jon kind of sucks now. I'm really not enjoying his scenes with Ygritte so far. There is also no way to salvage Jon and Qhorin and Jon's desertion properly.
-They turned Jaime into a kinslayer by having him killing his cousin who admired him just so he can have a chance at escape. The show is making it hard for people to like him after his redemption.
-I'm annoyed that Cersei keeps coming off as so innocent and caring in the show. Nothing is her fault, its all Joffrey. Poor Cersei.
-Pyat Pree is a mage with powers all of a sudden.
-While I love the interaction between Arya and Tywin, he is acting way out of character. Oh boy, another episode of "Story Time with Uncle Tywin". The real Tywin would have seen through Arya's act, or at the very least not trust her to deliver his food. High born girl from the north who was in a group of people coming from King's Landing. If nothing else you wouldn't keep her around to hear all the war plans with your generals.
-The fake Bran/Rickon thing was far too obvious. Not many of the show watchers are buying it. Maybe if they didn't mention the 2 orphans from winterfell earlier in the episode..
-I get that Dany's parts are boring as fuck in books 2-4 (and 5 imo, but many like that) so they wanted to spice shit up, but they are wasting sooo much fucking screen time on introducing yet another pointless power struggle instead of showing the ones that are actually meaningful and being ignored/underdeveloped. Just like with the Winterfell scene, the show lost all its subtlety and intrigue (which the first season was able to convey very well from the books) and thats one of the things that made the books so great. They could have saved 30 minutes and just had her go to the House of the Undying seeking support like she did from all the other places in Qarth. It feels more like a fanfic than an adaptation.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 14 2012 04:48 GMT
#2351
Getting pretty annoyed that jon and qhorin aren't looking to meet up and resume what happens in the books. fuck. even if they have them fight it's not the same. grrrrrrrr
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4of8
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany256 Posts
May 14 2012 05:16 GMT
#2352
I would assume the wildlings already captured qhorin and the other rangers and this was the reason, Jon couldn't find them. Now he will meet him again as prisoner. Qhorin should know he will probably have to die and we will get back to the storyline of the book... at least I hope so.
The Quarth stuff is getting really messy don't know where they are going but I can't help myself I like this version.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 14 2012 05:38 GMT
#2353
Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark are so much better in the show than in the books. I'm sorry but it's just true. I don't think George Martin writes women particularly well. I hope they continue to deviate the plot, I like Martin's characters but not really his story's gone. I think the show has problems when it tries to be too faithful to the books.

Benioff and Weiss have done good so far with the source material, though. Both faithful and lively - something I imagine is hard to do with 6 tomes and rabid insatiable fans.
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
May 14 2012 06:07 GMT
#2354
The Jon Snow Story is getting allllll fucked up. Ygritte's lines are stupid, and him killing Qhorin was such a great part of the books. I honestly can't think of any reason that it would have to be changed for the show.

On the other hand, the changes to Danaerys's story are welcome. I think what they're doing with Pyat Pree and Ducksauce is actually better than what happened in Clash of Kings.

Finally, they're making it way too easy to sympathize with Cersei and way too hard to sympathize with Jaime.
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 07:27:04
May 14 2012 07:26 GMT
#2355
On May 14 2012 12:47 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 12:39 setzer wrote:
Tywin and his entire army is going to have to pull a Littlefinger if they want to get to King's Landing in the "4-5 days until Stannis reaches the gates."

I'd always imagined that "pulling a littlefinger" would have a different context.

[image loading]


Thoughts on this episode:

-TV Jon kind of sucks now. I'm really not enjoying his scenes with Ygritte so far. There is also no way to salvage Jon and Qhorin and Jon's desertion properly.
-They turned Jaime into a kinslayer by having him killing his cousin who admired him just so he can have a chance at escape. The show is making it hard for people to like him after his redemption.
-I'm annoyed that Cersei keeps coming off as so innocent and caring in the show. Nothing is her fault, its all Joffrey. Poor Cersei.
-Pyat Pree is a mage with powers all of a sudden.
-While I love the interaction between Arya and Tywin, he is acting way out of character. Oh boy, another episode of "Story Time with Uncle Tywin". The real Tywin would have seen through Arya's act, or at the very least not trust her to deliver his food. High born girl from the north who was in a group of people coming from King's Landing. If nothing else you wouldn't keep her around to hear all the war plans with your generals.
-The fake Bran/Rickon thing was far too obvious. Not many of the show watchers are buying it. Maybe if they didn't mention the 2 orphans from winterfell earlier in the episode..
-I get that Dany's parts are boring as fuck in books 2-4 (and 5 imo, but many like that) so they wanted to spice shit up, but they are wasting sooo much fucking screen time on introducing yet another pointless power struggle instead of showing the ones that are actually meaningful and being ignored/underdeveloped. Just like with the Winterfell scene, the show lost all its subtlety and intrigue (which the first season was able to convey very well from the books) and thats one of the things that made the books so great. They could have saved 30 minutes and just had her go to the House of the Undying seeking support like she did from all the other places in Qarth. It feels more like a fanfic than an adaptation.



I agree for the most part... We're not all salivating frothing nerds who believe nothing should be changed and everything should adhere perfectly to the book, but some changes are good, some changes are neutral, and some changes are just plain bad. The Jon/Ygritte change just makes 0 fucking sense and the way it was written in the book was totally fine. I'm neutral on Jamie killing the cousin; it changes audience's perception of him, but doesn't affect the story that much. Same thing with Cersei. Seems kinda silly to push jamie down and cersei up, but whatever.

I actually really enjoy the tywin+arya scenes, they're one of the best additions. Changing the dany storyline also feels kind of alright because it is so f boring except in book 3 anyway so fuck it. I hope to god they spice up book 5 a bit, having her endlessly swoon over Dario's penis is going to be pretty aggravating.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 14 2012 07:28 GMT
#2356
Fuck this. Now I am getting really annoyed with the show. They are changing stuff that really are not needed to be changed.
Even so called "boring" Dany parts didn't need to be changes. What they done now is 5x more stupid. They gave Dany stupid lines to say and nobody cares about power struggles in Quarth.
I really really really hope they can somehow salvage Jon storyline, or that character is forever changed and I don't care about him anymore. Him not being a real deserter is an important part of his development.

WTF is Jamie killing his cousin?! That is totally out of character. What was wrong with them setting up some kind of escape with some mummers that came to the camp, or some fake soldier or like. Worst thing is they introduce these nonsensical changes and the continue to act like nothing changed from the books. Like I will believe Cat would release him into Brianne care just after he killed his cousin!!! This means he has -100000 honor, not only 0 honor.
Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
May 14 2012 08:10 GMT
#2357
Karstarks son deserved to die for being so fucking stupid. Really though?! How dumb was that?

You guys gotta quit worrying about the Jon stuff. Im not really liking it either, but its going to come around. It has to. The Qhorin/Jon relationship will develop more. Im sure of it.

The Dany stuff is fine imo, Xaro becomes an enemy of Dany in book 5 anyway, why not build it up a bit? Spice the story line up a bit for down the road. Pyat Pree dies anyway so whatever. He's got some power in the show, hope Drogon burns his ass soon.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 09:00:49
May 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#2358
On May 14 2012 16:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck this. Now I am getting really annoyed with the show. They are changing stuff that really are not needed to be changed.
Even so called "boring" Dany parts didn't need to be changes. What they done now is 5x more stupid. They gave Dany stupid lines to say and nobody cares about power struggles in Quarth.
I really really really hope they can somehow salvage Jon storyline, or that character is forever changed and I don't care about him anymore. Him not being a real deserter is an important part of his development.

WTF is Jamie killing his cousin?! That is totally out of character. What was wrong with them setting up some kind of escape with some mummers that came to the camp, or some fake soldier or like. Worst thing is they introduce these nonsensical changes and the continue to act like nothing changed from the books. Like I will believe Cat would release him into Brianne care just after he killed his cousin!!! This means he has -100000 honor, not only 0 honor.

True, that it changes Jaime's character fundamentally, which is bad, but we can't deny the shock value of the scene, and how strong it was. Really sucked me in for the moment, than ofc tohught about it and "yeah, why did they make him a kinslayer?". Especially since they changed his cousin to be a Lannister instead of a Frey.

And i'm also fine with the Danny story, i kinda dislike Danny's lines and her reactions but w/e.

Also, is it possible they'll make Dagmar Cleftjaw replace Reek? I mean it would be kinda difficult to make it believable that he foreseen the fall of Winterfell and went to Theon that eraly, but he keeps urging Theon for violence and has that grin when Theon behaves aggressively.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 14 2012 09:18 GMT
#2359
On May 14 2012 17:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 16:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck this. Now I am getting really annoyed with the show. They are changing stuff that really are not needed to be changed.
Even so called "boring" Dany parts didn't need to be changes. What they done now is 5x more stupid. They gave Dany stupid lines to say and nobody cares about power struggles in Quarth.
I really really really hope they can somehow salvage Jon storyline, or that character is forever changed and I don't care about him anymore. Him not being a real deserter is an important part of his development.

WTF is Jamie killing his cousin?! That is totally out of character. What was wrong with them setting up some kind of escape with some mummers that came to the camp, or some fake soldier or like. Worst thing is they introduce these nonsensical changes and the continue to act like nothing changed from the books. Like I will believe Cat would release him into Brianne care just after he killed his cousin!!! This means he has -100000 honor, not only 0 honor.

True, that it changes Jaime's character fundamentally, which is bad, but we can't deny the shock value of the scene, and how strong it was. Really sucked me in for the moment, than ofc tohught about it and "yeah, why did they make him a kinslayer?". Especially since they changed his cousin to be a Lannister instead of a Frey.

And i'm also fine with the Danny story, i kinda dislike Danny's lines and her reactions but w/e.

Also, is it possible they'll make Dagmar Cleftjaw replace Reek? I mean it would be kinda difficult to make it believable that he foreseen the fall of Winterfell and went to Theon that eraly, but he keeps urging Theon for violence and has that grin when Theon behaves aggressively.

No, Dagmar is not a replacement for Reek. Maybe in his urging Theon do to stupid/cruel stuff but that is all. As we been told Bastard is in Dreadfort and will be coming soon. Only thing they need to figure out is why would they open their doors and let them in. Maybe there will still be a siege of Winterfell and they save them. Or maybe they somehow pretend they are Ironborn (but this would be too stupid even for these writers).
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
May 14 2012 09:22 GMT
#2360
On May 14 2012 17:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 16:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Fuck this. Now I am getting really annoyed with the show. They are changing stuff that really are not needed to be changed.
Even so called "boring" Dany parts didn't need to be changes. What they done now is 5x more stupid. They gave Dany stupid lines to say and nobody cares about power struggles in Quarth.
I really really really hope they can somehow salvage Jon storyline, or that character is forever changed and I don't care about him anymore. Him not being a real deserter is an important part of his development.

WTF is Jamie killing his cousin?! That is totally out of character. What was wrong with them setting up some kind of escape with some mummers that came to the camp, or some fake soldier or like. Worst thing is they introduce these nonsensical changes and the continue to act like nothing changed from the books. Like I will believe Cat would release him into Brianne care just after he killed his cousin!!! This means he has -100000 honor, not only 0 honor.

True, that it changes Jaime's character fundamentally, which is bad, but we can't deny the shock value of the scene, and how strong it was. Really sucked me in for the moment, than ofc tohught about it and "yeah, why did they make him a kinslayer?". Especially since they changed his cousin to be a Lannister instead of a Frey.

And i'm also fine with the Danny story, i kinda dislike Danny's lines and her reactions but w/e.

Also, is it possible they'll make Dagmar Cleftjaw replace Reek? I mean it would be kinda difficult to make it believable that he foreseen the fall of Winterfell and went to Theon that eraly, but he keeps urging Theon for violence and has that grin when Theon behaves aggressively.



But wouldn't make sense because Dagmar has been with Theon in the Iron Islandsn or is he?
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