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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18144 Posts
April 06 2017 18:45 GMT
#10161
Ugh. Between Sasha flashback filler (in order to make 100% sure you knew she wasn't surviving the episode) and the dumbest firefight in history this was just a terrible episode. What a way to waste all the buildup.
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
April 09 2017 15:42 GMT
#10162
On April 06 2017 21:46 RowdierBob wrote:
Was it ever explained why the garbage people have the vocabulary of a three year old?


When we first encountered them I was thinking they are a group of people from the autism spectrum or something similar, who managed to organize and withstand walkers and other groups.
But I don't think it will ever be explained, unless there will be a defector or something.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
April 09 2017 19:08 GMT
#10163
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.
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MoneyHypeMike
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada305 Posts
April 09 2017 23:20 GMT
#10164
On April 10 2017 04:08 DickMcFanny wrote:
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.


Cause you wanna see how bad the ending will be.
way2mash4u
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany183 Posts
April 10 2017 10:44 GMT
#10165
On April 10 2017 04:08 DickMcFanny wrote:
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.


Yes, but I think this finale brought the last nail to the coffin for me. I think I'm going to wait and binge it next season. Or skip through half the season to be more precise.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
April 10 2017 11:07 GMT
#10166
I think just watching the first and last episode of each season is plenty.
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
April 10 2017 15:05 GMT
#10167
I think the reason people don't like the show anymore can be boiled down to two things:

1. The show tries to squeeze too much air time out of the least amount of content. Same issue as with many anime that go off manga - there's not enough content in one chapter of a comic book to fill up a 45 minute episode. Just like anime, TWD has a lot of filler and moves at a snail's pace.

2. The actors are really not into it anymore and are using it as a spring board for their next gig. Notice how we don't even care about the characters beyond what they do/say? Back in the old days, during the prison arc for instance, everyone loved the cast. Daryl, Carol, Glen, Maggie, Carl, Rick, Hershel... they were all distinct characters. We cared about their stories and motivations. We cared whether they lived and died. Nowadays, everyone seems like a hollow shell of their former selves. I think it's an effect of making the show super srs business with characters like Negan, Rick, Michonne and Daryl losing all charm and becoming straight up assholes. I get that they're trying to be gritty, but come one man, no one wants to watch miserable people doing miserable things.
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
April 10 2017 15:33 GMT
#10168
The firefight at the end of the episode looked cheap as fuck for AMC's sunday night show. Is the blood gone forever?
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-10 17:46:33
April 10 2017 17:35 GMT
#10169
On April 10 2017 04:08 DickMcFanny wrote:
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.


For several years now. And I really feel like I need to just stop.

This season had two good episodes: the first one, and the Eugene episode. There's always an episode in there to show off the show's potential, and then it proceeds to drag out 8 useless, filler episodes to lead up to a finale that is hammy, nonsensical, contrived and ends in a ridiculously heavy-handed cliff-hanger.

I think I'm done. If I hear the story actually goes somewhere besides this "battle of the tribes" stuff, I'd probably watch again. But my guess is it doesn't. I think if the writers (including the comic) had any idea where this story was going, it'd have gone there. You don't need the Governor, and Terminus, and Negan, and whatever antagonist comes next. They're all the same things. This show is just completely redundant. Throwing a CGI tiger into the mix doesn't do much to refresh this same tired old plot-line.
Big water
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 10 2017 20:46 GMT
#10170
On April 10 2017 04:08 DickMcFanny wrote:
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.

The first season was somewhat ok, but ever since it's just been a plain bad show. It's fascinating how they manage to do everything in the worst way possible and waste the massive potential the scenario has with this kind of budget. I only keep watching for the weekly masochistic cringe pleasure, and also because zombies.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
April 10 2017 21:45 GMT
#10171
On April 11 2017 02:35 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 04:08 DickMcFanny wrote:
Is anyone else getting major Stockholm syndrome from this show?

I really don't enjoy it anymore. It's just not good. Yet somehow I keep watching 16 episodes every year for some reason.


For several years now. And I really feel like I need to just stop.

This season had two good episodes: the first one, and the Eugene episode. There's always an episode in there to show off the show's potential, and then it proceeds to drag out 8 useless, filler episodes to lead up to a finale that is hammy, nonsensical, contrived and ends in a ridiculously heavy-handed cliff-hanger.

I think I'm done. If I hear the story actually goes somewhere besides this "battle of the tribes" stuff, I'd probably watch again. But my guess is it doesn't. I think if the writers (including the comic) had any idea where this story was going, it'd have gone there. You don't need the Governor, and Terminus, and Negan, and whatever antagonist comes next. They're all the same things. This show is just completely redundant. Throwing a CGI tiger into the mix doesn't do much to refresh this same tired old plot-line.

The plots just never go far enough. Terminus was a great concept and was pulled off very well. Too bad it ended after a couple episodes.

If I was in charge of the I would have made it last longer. I would have had some of them be trapped in cells while they ate characters one by one while other characters would go crazy and join the cannibals, eventually leading to a rift in the group and a civil war of sorts. Maybe make Daryl become a cannibal and have him and Rick fight to death by the end of it.

Of course this would never happen because the show is too popular to lose its cast or take any risks. It can't go balls to the wall of fear of alienating audiences. Which is laughable, really, because with this boring samey garbage, they will eventually start hemorrhaging viewer - which is actually what's happening now.

The Season 7 finale had 11 million viewers, to put that into perspective, the previous 3 seasons had ~ 15 million viewers. The views during the middle of the season were also fluctuating barely above 10 - the numbers haven't been this low since season 3. If this trend continues, and they hit season 2 lows next year, then AMC might end up cancelling it.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 10 2017 23:28 GMT
#10172
The writing is just lazy and rushed. Remember the Wolves and when they attacked Alexandria, what happened to those that got away. Too bad that was never followed through while other characters were explored.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
April 11 2017 06:45 GMT
#10173
So so weak season. I cannot even comprehend that made myself watch it all the way through for that ending. I see that this has been said in this thread plenty of times already.

I did a quick google search about viewer numbers of the show. It seems that 5th season was the peak and this season's average number was still more than 3rd season had. So even though we critique the show here, it seems to have its audience intact still.

8th season will show us extremely tense, G.I Joe level gun fighting and during 9th season we again have a chance to see what variety of carrots the group decides to grow.

Hazaa
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crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 23 2017 10:09 GMT
#10174
I'm not as disappointed as you guys were. Last few seasons, I've been binge watching it, waiting till the show ends, then watching an episode a day or something. I actually felt it was ok, I mean, it has it's extreme weaknesses, but accepting them, it's decent. And I do fast forward some of the scenes that is just set up for failure.

I really get why the redhead ditched Rosita for Sasha. First I thought he was out of his mind ditching that gorgeous babe, but now,. Every sentence she spoke, she got less attractive, and Sasha is not bad at all, she's like a cat.

Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
April 23 2017 16:01 GMT
#10175
They have nothing on pre-grief Maggie though. She was a nice package of innocent looks and perky personality.
#1 Blitzcrank #Forever platinum toss --> current diamond Terran <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2017 21:29 GMT
#10176
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 22:47:00
August 15 2017 22:43 GMT
#10177
Somewhere Darabont is having the last laugh.

“The Walking Dead” co-creator Robert Kirkman and executive producers Gale Anne Hurd, Glen Mazzara and David Alpert have filed a lawsuit against AMC, claiming the company cheated them out of profits from the hugely successful series.

In the complaint filed in Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court, the producers argue that AMC “exploited their vertically-integrated corporate structure” to keep the “lion’s share of the series’ enormous profits for itself and not share it with the Plaintiffs, as required by their contracts.”

The lawsuit follows in the footsteps of the zombie drama’s other co-creator Frank Darabont, who is demanding $280 million from the company in a separate suit.

The suit claims that AMC Network used it’s corporate affiliation with AMC Studios, which produces the show, to pay an artificially low licensing fee to broadcast the series. Kirkman and the other producers earn a percentage of that per-episode fee — amounting to $1.45 million for the first four seasons, increasing by five percent each season thereafter — meaning they were denied greater profits they would have earned if the network and studio were not connected.

The suit goes on to cite the “substantially larger” amounts paid for “Mad Men” and “Better Call Saul,” produced by Lionsgate and Sony, respectively.

“There can be no question that, if AMC Studio and AMC Network were not part of the same conglomerate, the story would be very different,” the suit reads. “As this case will show, if AMC Studios had been paid a fair market license fee … TWD would have commanded a license fee far above the costs of production of the series over the long term.”

The producers also accuse AMC of employing “various other means to deprive Plaintiff’s of their fair share of TWD’s profits,” including unfair deductions taken by AMC for payments to other “Walking Dead” profit participants and “self-dealing and other wrongdoing” in connection to spinoff “Fear the Walking Dead” and after show “Talking Dead.”

“Plaintiffs tried diligently and in good faith to resolve these issues with the AMC Entities prior to filing this Complaint,” the complaint reads. “Regrettably, those efforts did not succeed. Having exhausted those efforts, Plaintiffs therefore, of necessity, bring this action.”

In response to the lawsuit, AMC has denied any wrongdoing and called the move “opportunistic” on the part of the producer.

“These kinds of lawsuits are fairly common entertainment and they all have one thing in common - they follow success,” a network spokesperson said in a statement. “Virtually every studio that has had a successful show has been the target of litigation like this, and ‘The Walking Dead’ has been the #1 show on television for five years in a row, so this is no surprise. We have enormous respect and appreciation for these plaintiffs, and we will continue to work with them as partners, even as we vigorously defend against this baseless and predictably opportunistic lawsuit.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
September 05 2017 02:46 GMT
#10178
I lost track of the show during season 7 around episode 6 or so with the Tara focus episode where she finds the village of women. Is it worth picking back up or should I move on to greener pastures? Mr. Robot and Stranger Things are both coming back next month!
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
September 05 2017 14:46 GMT
#10179
On September 05 2017 11:46 calgar wrote:
I lost track of the show during season 7 around episode 6 or so with the Tara focus episode where she finds the village of women. Is it worth picking back up or should I move on to greener pastures? Mr. Robot and Stranger Things are both coming back next month!

i did the same like three to four episodes later. i've been struggling with the idea of picking it back up. towards the end i just had no motivation to watch it. my recent motivation comes from a lack of anything else to watch more so than any desire to pick up TWD again, so meh. very torn.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
September 05 2017 15:30 GMT
#10180
On August 16 2017 07:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Somewhere Darabont is having the last laugh.

Show nested quote +
“The Walking Dead” co-creator Robert Kirkman and executive producers Gale Anne Hurd, Glen Mazzara and David Alpert have filed a lawsuit against AMC, claiming the company cheated them out of profits from the hugely successful series.

In the complaint filed in Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court, the producers argue that AMC “exploited their vertically-integrated corporate structure” to keep the “lion’s share of the series’ enormous profits for itself and not share it with the Plaintiffs, as required by their contracts.”

The lawsuit follows in the footsteps of the zombie drama’s other co-creator Frank Darabont, who is demanding $280 million from the company in a separate suit.

The suit claims that AMC Network used it’s corporate affiliation with AMC Studios, which produces the show, to pay an artificially low licensing fee to broadcast the series. Kirkman and the other producers earn a percentage of that per-episode fee — amounting to $1.45 million for the first four seasons, increasing by five percent each season thereafter — meaning they were denied greater profits they would have earned if the network and studio were not connected.

The suit goes on to cite the “substantially larger” amounts paid for “Mad Men” and “Better Call Saul,” produced by Lionsgate and Sony, respectively.

“There can be no question that, if AMC Studio and AMC Network were not part of the same conglomerate, the story would be very different,” the suit reads. “As this case will show, if AMC Studios had been paid a fair market license fee … TWD would have commanded a license fee far above the costs of production of the series over the long term.”

The producers also accuse AMC of employing “various other means to deprive Plaintiff’s of their fair share of TWD’s profits,” including unfair deductions taken by AMC for payments to other “Walking Dead” profit participants and “self-dealing and other wrongdoing” in connection to spinoff “Fear the Walking Dead” and after show “Talking Dead.”

“Plaintiffs tried diligently and in good faith to resolve these issues with the AMC Entities prior to filing this Complaint,” the complaint reads. “Regrettably, those efforts did not succeed. Having exhausted those efforts, Plaintiffs therefore, of necessity, bring this action.”

In response to the lawsuit, AMC has denied any wrongdoing and called the move “opportunistic” on the part of the producer.

“These kinds of lawsuits are fairly common entertainment and they all have one thing in common - they follow success,” a network spokesperson said in a statement. “Virtually every studio that has had a successful show has been the target of litigation like this, and ‘The Walking Dead’ has been the #1 show on television for five years in a row, so this is no surprise. We have enormous respect and appreciation for these plaintiffs, and we will continue to work with them as partners, even as we vigorously defend against this baseless and predictably opportunistic lawsuit.”


Source

Wow. 1.45 million for the firs 4 seasons? That's ridiculously low. It would have probably been in AMC's best interests to not cut prices so drastically. If they paid him ~30 million then I doubt he would even have filed a lawsuit. But 280 million? Dang.
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