[TV] Doctor Who - Page 30

TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

August 05 2013 16:10 GMT

#581

I wish I could tweak things to make Smith the 10th and Tennant the 11th. Smith may have turned out to be better at turning from a shrunken googly-eyed fairy into a glowy floating...thing, and Tennant looks pretty good in a bowtie.

deth2munkies

United States4051 Posts

August 05 2013 16:27 GMT

#582

Ladies and gentlemen, the new Doctor:

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leveller

Sweden1840 Posts

August 06 2013 20:28 GMT

#583

Matt Smith was a great doctor but the direction the show has taken under mofat has not been to my liking at all. Overly complicated and contrived plots, too much foreshadowing and build up to something thats just stupid in the end. Too much plot and not enough adventure.

Im really looking forward to a female doctor and it makes me sad so many of you are against it. Blaming it on "its just not supposed to work that way" is silly, especially after they even made it canon. It is confirmed to be possible within the universe and there is no reason the doctor couldnt be a woman, black, or anything else.

Remember the lady (nurse?) who couldnt believe martha was a doctor because she was a black woman

dont be her.

Lysteria

France2280 Posts

August 06 2013 20:54 GMT

#584

I don't think the problem is having a female doctor. But we had so many young doctors, that having a old one is a welcoming change (male or female). Even if I would have loved to see Idris Elba as 12th, Capaldi is still a pretty strong choice.

Drake

Germany6146 Posts

August 06 2013 21:03 GMT

#585

On August 07 2013 05:54 Lysteria wrote:
I don't think the problem is having a female doctor. But we had so many young doctors, that having a old one is a welcoming change (male or female). Even if I would have loved to see Idris Elba as 12th, Capaldi is still a pretty strong choice.

i love doctor who and i would HATE a female ... even in this world would make so absolute no sense ... cause he even has mother father etc ... no i rly would hate a female and also a black would be rly questionable ... just not fit -_- only because "you must do this or its sexist/racist" ... tahts bs ... a white british midage is the roll and thats fine ...

On August 07 2013 05:28 leveller wrote:
Matt Smith was a great doctor but the direction the show has taken under mofat has not been to my liking at all. Overly complicated and contrived plots, too much foreshadowing and build up to something thats just stupid in the end. Too much plot and not enough adventure.

Im really looking forward to a female doctor and it makes me sad so many of you are against it. Blaming it on "its just not supposed to work that way" is silly, especially after they even made it canon. It is confirmed to be possible within the universe and there is no reason the doctor couldnt be a woman, black, or anything else.

Remember the lady (nurse?) who couldnt believe martha was a doctor because she was a black woman

dont be her.

jaeh but its only your oppinion, i love the way the show took and i fuckn love the new doctor ^^ why on earth would i want a female doctor would destroy some of the series feeling ... if u want a woman main actor just watch another series

Vidar

United States35 Posts

August 06 2013 21:35 GMT

#586

Leveller, you choose such a subtle yet aggressive and offensive way to approach the issue. If someone doesn't want the doctor to be a woman, they must, by your system of estimation, be either a sexist or a person whose thinking is constrained by convention. The problem isn't that people don't care for female lead characters, it's that the doctor has always been a father/older brother figure, and changing his gender is changing 50 years of character building in that regard. Why am I not allowed to not want that change to happen? Must every change in the world always be blindly supported simply because it is change? I understand that we COULD make the doctor a woman, but for what purpose? For what purpose should he be black? In a world where we try to suggest that skin-color is arbitrary when evaluating a human being, why push for a different skin color? Sure, we could use the next 50 years to make the doctor a man/woman/transgender/heterosexual/homosexual/transexual/blonde/brown-haired/red-haired/bald-headed/white-skinned/black-skinned/rainbow-colored character who's held every political position, but to what end? Do women need to have a female doctor in order to feel that their gender has been validated? Give me a reason for a female doctor better than "because it hasn't been done" and I might give it some more thought. I have no problem with a female being a lead character, breaking gender stereotypes, or keeping gender stereotypes, etc. etc. etc. Do you want to introduce a new female time lord who's a main character in a spin-off show? Great. Wonderful. Do that. Heck, even if you want to make the Doctor a female, I have no problem with you having that opinion and promoting it, but asserting that people who don't want a female Doctor are just like the lady who couldn't believe that Martha was a doctor is an offensive and narrow-minded way of perceiving and aggressively labeling people who oppose your view. Remarks like that draw fire, and being a fan of the Doctor, you ought to expose yourself more to some of his messages and have a more charitable view of your fellow human beings. Perhaps one that is less premature, less ignorant, less aggressive, less belittling, and more considerate. The position of "You disagree with me and are therefore sadly constrained by convention and incapable of seeing a larger picture" is becoming a tired one, too often thrown out before a fair estimation of the other has been established. It saddens me that you express such a poorly fleshed out series of thoughts after making a statement that I 100% agree with (your entire first paragraph).

Nebuchad

Switzerland12470 Posts

August 06 2013 21:38 GMT

#587

It's so hard for me to assimilate how the Moffat seasons have some of the best episodes of television as a whole, and yet have such disappointing story arcs and season finales sometimes. I don't know if I should look at the episodes of sheer brillance, and declare it the better DW period, or look at what's wrong or missing, and declare it worse.

Crushinator

Netherlands2138 Posts

August 06 2013 22:05 GMT

#588

I'm not happy to see Matt Smith leave. He is my favorite doctor by far. I'm sure I will like the new guy too though, Doctor Who hardly ever disappoints me.

I do not like the idea of a female doctor, since it does not fit with what we know about the doctor/time lords. But there are lots of continuity issues with regards to regeneration anyway, so I'm not totally closed to the idea. A black doctor is totally fine with me, if the right actor can be found, why not?

Startyr

Scotland188 Posts

August 06 2013 23:29 GMT

#589

The doctor is an eccentric genius, he is an alien around one thousand years old who can bend space and time to his will and likely has more intellect knowledge and experience than the entire human race. He travels with companions to keep him grounded, give him perspective and to remind him of what he should be fighting for.

This only scratches the surface of the potential depths of the character, to reduce the casting of it to gender or race politics does not do the character justice. There is an entire potential Multiverse of possibilities out there that we have not even begun to comprehend.

Dr Who is somewhat unique in that it can persist through multiple different actors playing the role where many other roles are tied to a specific actor. It is fun to speculate and there are quite a few actors who could make a great Doctor and there is 'all' of time for others to play the character. I have to say I really like the current choice and it is interesting to hear that they had Peter Capaldi in mind even before casting Matt smith. He could well have been chosen before Matt Smith announced he was leaving.

Cyro

United Kingdom20335 Posts

August 07 2013 01:00 GMT

#590

too much foreshadowing and build up to something thats just stupid in the end

I do agree with this honestly

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

August 20 2013 07:07 GMT

#591

I just finished watching S6 and S7 and i only really finished watching because i like the franchise. The overarching story was just weird and didn't really appear to have any sense of direction or consistency with plot holes on every corner. The character of the 11th doctor was... mediocre, which was most likely not the fault of Matt Smith himself but rather poor storywriting. I liked the character of Amy Pond and even Rory was a decent and believable character, but the doctor was too... weird, even for a Doctor.

I liked the modern series with David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston but after that, they seem to have completely messed up everything.

As for the "female doctor" discussion, i don't think a female doctor would fit because timelords still have different genders and appear to be keeping them, so why would the doctor suddenly genderchange? I don't think it fits the Doctor Who universe to have a female doctor. However, if they explain it well, i wouldn't oppose it, i'm just against a "oh, i'm dead, now i'm female, let's go on as if nothing happened" change.

waylanderm

Netherlands118 Posts

August 20 2013 07:15 GMT

#592

um is it just me but the new doctor was already announced:

Peter Capaldi

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/4/4588114/bbc-names-peter-capaldi-as-new-doctor-who-lead-actor

oops never mind saw somebody posted it already

radiatoren

Denmark1907 Posts

August 21 2013 18:15 GMT

#593

On August 20 2013 16:07 Morfildur wrote:
I just finished watching S6 and S7 and i only really finished watching because i like the franchise. The overarching story was just weird and didn't really appear to have any sense of direction or consistency with plot holes on every corner. The character of the 11th doctor was... mediocre, which was most likely not the fault of Matt Smith himself but rather poor storywriting. I liked the character of Amy Pond and even Rory was a decent and believable character, but the doctor was too... weird, even for a Doctor.

I liked the modern series with David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston but after that, they seem to have completely messed up everything.

As for the "female doctor" discussion, i don't think a female doctor would fit because timelords still have different genders and appear to be keeping them, so why would the doctor suddenly genderchange? I don't think it fits the Doctor Who universe to have a female doctor. However, if they explain it well, i wouldn't oppose it, i'm just against a "oh, i'm dead, now i'm female, let's go on as if nothing happened" change.

Well, they did throw the concept out there in season 6 episode 4 in the doctors ramblings, where he mentions The Corsair? who was "a bloke", "a couple of times a she" and "a bad girl".

While season 6 was pretty weak, I think season 7 was better. The concept fell far short unfortunately, sure. However, most of the individual episodes were a step up. Hopefully they can create a better overall story for next season and make it far more subtle so it doesn't ruin otherwise good episodes, with 5-10 minutes of buildup to something that can never live up to the hype.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 13 2013 19:41 GMT

#594

So I just finished the first Matt Smith season, and started watching The Impossible Astronaut. So it seemed to imply that he sent letters to the people that he knew and trusted the most - Rory, Amy, River, and the old guy. The same thing started to bug me now as it did last season.

Are they just going to pretend all the characters from Tennant's run never existed? They referenced Captain Jack at one point (where River got the Time Vortex thingy), but at no point has he ever mentioned any of his former companions. I know he trusts the Ponds, but not even a mention of Martha, Mickey, Jack, or Sarah? I mean, I figure they probably don't have contracts for them so they can't have them back at all, but it's like with the regeneration he completely forgot about everything that happened.

I know I might be baiting spoilers or something, but still. Irks me a bit.

Nisyax

Netherlands756 Posts

October 13 2013 21:03 GMT

#595

On October 14 2013 04:41 Requizen wrote:
So I just finished the first Matt Smith season, and started watching The Impossible Astronaut. So it seemed to imply that he sent letters to the people that he knew and trusted the most - Rory, Amy, River, and the old guy. The same thing started to bug me now as it did last season.

Are they just going to pretend all the characters from Tennant's run never existed? They referenced Captain Jack at one point (where River got the Time Vortex thingy), but at no point has he ever mentioned any of his former companions. I know he trusts the Ponds, but not even a mention of Martha, Mickey, Jack, or Sarah? I mean, I figure they probably don't have contracts for them so they can't have them back at all, but it's like with the regeneration he completely forgot about everything that happened.

I know I might be baiting spoilers or something, but still. Irks me a bit.

1. As for the 11th doctor sending letters to older companions wouldn't make that much sense, they never knew the 11th doctor. Plus he would probably break a lot of time laws etc. doing so as most characters story had ended (rose parallel, donna may not remember).

2. Those 4 are relevant for the events that happened and are related to that story line.

3. I would be a bit tiresome to mention all the characters all the time, (By the way Amy meet these 20 ppl from my past who have all been my best friends, companions whatevers, oh most of them didn't get a very happy end, and you will be replaced one day too!)

4. The doctor doesn't really like to talk about 'endings'.

5. You may notice later on, but it's (secretly) a new show between 10 and 11, whole new cast, new showrunner, writers, specials effects and more.

6. Keep watching series 6, more will be explained about the invitations and any mysteries from that episode.

7. There will be references. details would be too spoilery I guess.

LilyaKow

United States1 Post

October 14 2013 09:05 GMT

#596

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Dismay

United States1180 Posts

October 14 2013 09:14 GMT

#597

To be fair I am pretty sure he forgot Mickey during Ten's run.

The long and short of it is that they have to pay them to come on, and unless they come up with a good plot that would make a lot of sense to involve them in they won't be back.

There are little throwbacks to them here and there (even in season 5 there's a deleted scene where Amy basically accuses the Doctor of picking up female companions for something more than simple companionship) but the jist of it is new director, new Doctor, new companions. Out with the old and in with the new.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 14 2013 14:15 GMT

#598

I mean, I guess that's fair. And don't get me wrong, I'm very much enjoying the new seasons and stuff, it just seemed to be kind of a jolt. During Ten, everything was connected, and then yeah I guess their stories got resolved, but it just really does feel like a completely new show.