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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 07 2017 20:45 GMT
#1421
On August 08 2017 05:44 Shellshock wrote:
announcers told me that liquid had a better draft though. and better lanes. and better team fights early on. how did it end up being a one sided smack down in game 3?

They didn't have the better draft, they had the potential to be perfect team fight but all rested on getting a good Chrono
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ironcell
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1127 Posts
August 07 2017 20:46 GMT
#1422
On August 08 2017 05:44 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:43 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I have no idea why anyone would think Liquid were heavily favoured.

Because we entirely ignored the mental factor.

This. And the surprising unability to adapt.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 07 2017 20:46 GMT
#1423
On August 08 2017 05:44 Shellshock wrote:
announcers told me that liquid had a better draft though. and better lanes. and better team fights early on. how did it end up being a one sided smack down in game 3?
You know, that part when they actually play the dota, they did that worse.
Once you Goblak...
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
August 07 2017 20:46 GMT
#1424
Well, so much for my bracket.

That was a great display by IG, even the 2nd game they had a good plan and Liquid just got in before the timing with the GH KotL save sustaining the push.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 07 2017 20:46 GMT
#1425
On August 08 2017 05:38 Invictus wrote:
predicted liquid losing to iG


High five!

But seriously, group a games showed it was the weaker group. Lfy just too dominant but the next 4 teams were neck and neck in every game with each other.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
August 07 2017 20:46 GMT
#1426
On August 08 2017 05:41 RxMidnight wrote:
Liquid 'bout to pull an OG. #1 power rank gonna be the new Dota 2 curse.


You forgot Secret TI 5. Lol.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1427
Volume?
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Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1428
On August 08 2017 05:46 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:41 RxMidnight wrote:
Liquid 'bout to pull an OG. #1 power rank gonna be the new Dota 2 curse.


You forgot Secret TI 5. Lol.

Secret finished higher than OG
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1429
On August 08 2017 05:42 Nobu wrote:
Drafting LD over invoker was terrible and what lost them the game imo. Invoker 4th pick would have saved miracle's game and I highly doubt that IG would ban LD anyways



this. no idea what kuroky was thinking to emphasise on the LD over invoker when miracle- invoker did so much for them everytime. Drafting an ember into an earth spirit?? FV Invoker was always liquid's go to combo but for some reason they wanted an LD that even went for bear build instead of ranged build. so many weird individual choices, i don't really blame mc that much. he had to play the game of his life if liquid wanted to win, with edge based chronos allowing matumba's bear to hit the enemy heroes.

props to ig though, ig was playing crazy well and i'm pretty sure the lina pick was a blockpick against liquid's aa fv combo. they needed burst to destroy people in teamfights but ember against instant silence + earthshaker was just not the way to go
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1430
also its EG vs China like usual
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1431
Spartan, miss you :°
The Real Power~
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1432
I thought that LD would be a ranged form druid actually
WriterXiao8~~
Nobu
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain550 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1433
On August 08 2017 05:45 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:42 Nobu wrote:
Drafting LD over invoker was terrible and what lost them the game imo. Invoker 4th pick would have saved miracle's game and I highly doubt that IG would ban LD anyways


Wouldn't IG have just picked up TA? I think they would have lost trying to run Invoker vs TA.


They could have still played invoker safelane if they wanted it that way. Also the synergy with chrono is bastly superior. Ember just seemed like a terrible pick against that amount of lockdowns (many of them instants) and the synergy with chrono is non existant. I really fail to understand how would you rate an LD over invoker there.
"There's farmers and there's gamers, farmers get up early, gamers sleep in." Artosis
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1434
On August 08 2017 05:45 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:44 Shellshock wrote:
announcers told me that liquid had a better draft though. and better lanes. and better team fights early on. how did it end up being a one sided smack down in game 3?

They didn't have the better draft, they had the potential to be perfect team fight but all rested on getting a good Chrono


There's also that fight at 13 minutes where Liquid lost 4 on a very fast reaction by Disruptor and FV being slighty off of getting the Chrono. A fight then going the other direction (or breaking even) probably could have entirely changed the game by giving Liquid the chance/time to get up the core items they needed to control fights. FV making it to a Blink Dagger would have made a huge difference.
Logo
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 07 2017 20:48 GMT
#1435
On August 08 2017 05:42 Nobu wrote:
Drafting LD over invoker was terrible and what lost them the game imo. Invoker 4th pick would have saved miracle's game and I highly doubt that IG would ban LD anyways


You'd definitely prefer to have an invoker that game, but they did still have a void vs 4 squishy heroes and no save. I didn't get to watch most of the game, but I expected this game to be pretty hard if void was on point. Reading the lr thread, it appears he wasn't.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 07 2017 20:49 GMT
#1436
That game was lost on letting ES win a 1v3 lane. Terrible execution. There was no reason for that.
secret - never again
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 20:50:50
August 07 2017 20:49 GMT
#1437
On August 08 2017 05:47 Invictus wrote:
this. no idea what kuroky was thinking to emphasise on the LD over invoker when miracle- invoker did so much for them everytime.


It's very easy to gank Invoker with iG's support duo. The Ember not controlling his lane or working with Chrono was the bigger issue.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 07 2017 20:50 GMT
#1438
On August 08 2017 05:46 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:38 Invictus wrote:
predicted liquid losing to iG


High five!

But seriously, group a games showed it was the weaker group. Lfy just too dominant but the next 4 teams were neck and neck in every game with each other.


liquid seems to always have this really tilt-ish air to them which made me favor ig over liquid. haven't been catching most of lfy games but it feels to me that people just underestimate them. i feel like if lfy was instead playing in group a they wouldn't have gotten such a good score. not saying that they are bad, but more of i feel liquid/eg fighting styles would punish lfy harder than say vp/og
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 07 2017 20:50 GMT
#1439
On August 08 2017 05:49 ch33psh33p wrote:
That game was lost on letting ES win a 1v3 lane. Terrible execution. There was no reason for that.


Yeah what happened bot? I got to watch the first 30 seconds or so of the laning stage and when I came back, Xxs was more farmed than he had any right to be.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
August 07 2017 20:50 GMT
#1440
On August 08 2017 05:47 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 05:45 Pandemona wrote:
On August 08 2017 05:44 Shellshock wrote:
announcers told me that liquid had a better draft though. and better lanes. and better team fights early on. how did it end up being a one sided smack down in game 3?

They didn't have the better draft, they had the potential to be perfect team fight but all rested on getting a good Chrono


There's also that fight at 13 minutes where Liquid lost 4 on a very fast reaction by Disruptor and FV being slighty off of getting the Chrono. A fight then going the other direction (or breaking even) probably could have entirely changed the game by giving Liquid the chance/time to get up the core items they needed to control fights. FV making it to a Blink Dagger would have made a huge difference.


And that lucky stun from lina at mid tower to catch fv
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