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dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
August 14 2016 04:01 GMT
#4321
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2buvz0/so_how_much_did_newbee_actully_get/

Just dug this up for Newbee's winnings after TI4. Take it for what it's worth.
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
August 14 2016 04:01 GMT
#4322
On August 14 2016 13:00 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 13:00 wims80 wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:58 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:54 Kipsate wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:53 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:52 Papercappu wrote:
1st place 9m 2nd place 3m. what a difference


how much does wings as an organization take as a cut from the prize money? 10-50%?

Not sure but isn't wings their own players organization?


i dont think so, i mean isnt this why people are "investing" in pro teams? i view it as people buying "shares" for a poker players buy in at WSOPs etc and for the other revenue sources

I think it's more like they sponsor players and use the players fame to attract corporate sponsors to fund the organization, I believe that's how it is for reputable western orgs anyways

Org takes 20%.


It probably varies depending on the organization.
Kasto
Profile Joined May 2010
473 Posts
August 14 2016 04:01 GMT
#4323
On August 14 2016 12:58 nojok wrote:
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On August 14 2016 12:55 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Are prize pools taxed as income tax or capital gains? Since the 400k+ tax bracket is 39.6% and 8.95% in Washington, so that'd be almost 50% tax.

Either way, if I assume I'd get taxed the same way as earning a normal income (say 30%), that's 1.82mil each, that's assuming working a career of 45 years, is $40,044 a year, as long as you invest what you're not spending at the rate of inflation.

Realistically you'd get a bit more, and that's around a $50,000 salary for the rest of your life. If you're a gamer you can live off of that forever in Canada or the US, and back in China, a lot longer.


Should be taxed as ordinary wage income. You only pay 39.6% on all income over 400k, and the state income tax should be deductable. Not exactly sure how deductions work for foreigners though. Their effective rate will probably end up being around 40% or so for the states, but i'm just guessing here.

I wonder if valve is ok with giving them the money over a few years to reduce the taxes. I know lottery can do it and also to keeps people sane after winning so much money.

Probably comes down to local laws of the winning teams, but a really good point that i hope Valve has considered.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 14 2016 04:02 GMT
#4324
On August 14 2016 13:00 Kuroeeah wrote:
well, i wonder what RPG's Wing's is going to play.

Angry Birds RPG.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 14 2016 04:02 GMT
#4325
On August 14 2016 13:01 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 13:00 youngminii wrote:
On August 14 2016 13:00 wims80 wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:58 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:54 Kipsate wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:53 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:52 Papercappu wrote:
1st place 9m 2nd place 3m. what a difference


how much does wings as an organization take as a cut from the prize money? 10-50%?

Not sure but isn't wings their own players organization?


i dont think so, i mean isnt this why people are "investing" in pro teams? i view it as people buying "shares" for a poker players buy in at WSOPs etc and for the other revenue sources

I think it's more like they sponsor players and use the players fame to attract corporate sponsors to fund the organization, I believe that's how it is for reputable western orgs anyways

Org takes 20%.

Source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2rbm1l/bulldog_says_after_taxes_and_sponsor_cut_he_only/
lalala
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 04:05:18
August 14 2016 04:02 GMT
#4326
On August 14 2016 13:01 TheYango wrote:
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On August 14 2016 12:51 trifecta wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:47 TheYango wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:47 trifecta wrote:
wings were too inconsistent this season for me to consider them the best overall. They obviously got white hot at the best possible moment

I mean "too inconsistent this season" describes basically all 3 of the teams in the top 3.


yeah pretty much. a lot of teams shit the bed at TI. IMO TI2 IG and TI3 Alliance were the only teams that were the best all season and also won TI

TI2 iG was not the best all season. Chinese teams were super inconsistent in pre-TI2 DotA 2 events due to SEA ping (Perfect World server didnt exist yet), and in DotA, and in DotA 1 they had a super inconsistent season in the 6 months prior to TI2 (basically their 6.73 slump sowed the seeds of the Chuan/Zhou discontent that resulted in the team breaking up after TI3).


yeah I kinda cheated there. they had that period post TI though so I fudged it a bit. otherwise only alliance were consensus best.

a lot depends on the cadence of major patches and whether the best pre-ti patch team can survive the transition to TI patch. pro dota will always be volatile cause of this unless icefrog changes his philosophy.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 14 2016 04:02 GMT
#4327
On August 14 2016 13:00 Nymzee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 13:00 Kuroeeah wrote:
well, i wonder what RPG's Wing's is going to play.

world of warcraft xd

new expansion drops in 2 weeks, just in time
rip
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
August 14 2016 04:04 GMT
#4328
On August 14 2016 13:02 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 13:01 nojok wrote:
On August 14 2016 13:00 youngminii wrote:
On August 14 2016 13:00 wims80 wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:58 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:54 Kipsate wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:53 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:52 Papercappu wrote:
1st place 9m 2nd place 3m. what a difference


how much does wings as an organization take as a cut from the prize money? 10-50%?

Not sure but isn't wings their own players organization?


i dont think so, i mean isnt this why people are "investing" in pro teams? i view it as people buying "shares" for a poker players buy in at WSOPs etc and for the other revenue sources

I think it's more like they sponsor players and use the players fame to attract corporate sponsors to fund the organization, I believe that's how it is for reputable western orgs anyways

Org takes 20%.

Source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2rbm1l/bulldog_says_after_taxes_and_sponsor_cut_he_only/


Thats for EG/Alliance. Doesn't mean every org takes the same amount.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cchriss
Profile Joined June 2009
United States912 Posts
August 14 2016 04:04 GMT
#4329
Alliance still my favorite TI champs.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 14 2016 04:04 GMT
#4330
On August 14 2016 13:01 dutchfriese wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2buvz0/so_how_much_did_newbee_actully_get/

Just dug this up for Newbee's winnings after TI4. Take it for what it's worth.


Yeah, Germany does it completely differently, huh.

And poor Alliance players, only getting slightly above 20% of what they should have gotten in theory for TI3
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
August 14 2016 04:04 GMT
#4331
On August 14 2016 13:02 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 13:01 nojok wrote:
On August 14 2016 13:00 youngminii wrote:
On August 14 2016 13:00 wims80 wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:58 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:54 Kipsate wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:53 nVme wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:52 Papercappu wrote:
1st place 9m 2nd place 3m. what a difference


how much does wings as an organization take as a cut from the prize money? 10-50%?

Not sure but isn't wings their own players organization?


i dont think so, i mean isnt this why people are "investing" in pro teams? i view it as people buying "shares" for a poker players buy in at WSOPs etc and for the other revenue sources

I think it's more like they sponsor players and use the players fame to attract corporate sponsors to fund the organization, I believe that's how it is for reputable western orgs anyways

Org takes 20%.

Source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2rbm1l/bulldog_says_after_taxes_and_sponsor_cut_he_only/


20% was Alliance's cut. But I'm sure it's all pretty similar from team to team. 10% cut is probably a really good deal for these players.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 04:05:32
August 14 2016 04:04 GMT
#4332
On August 14 2016 12:48 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 12:47 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 14 2016 12:46 dutchfriese wrote:
I hope Wings can beat the almighty $$ god.

They need to just forget about that money and keep doing what they've been doing, just win more money an retire very wealthy. Fat chance of that happening though

I mean, how the fuck do you spend a solid million bucks after all the taxes?

you play warcraft 3 RPGs.


Quick everyone! To Defi4nc3's ORPG and The Black Road!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 14 2016 04:05 GMT
#4333
So, about half the money is removed on org/taxes. Well, almost a millionaire each nonetheless.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
August 14 2016 04:05 GMT
#4334
no more dota 2 until people start streaming now

r i p
Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
August 14 2016 04:06 GMT
#4335
wings org? taking a cut? they just got their new shirts for TI with their first sponsor on it. I don't even think they are an organisation.

TI7 will be a west winner. thanks for confirming wings
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 14 2016 04:06 GMT
#4336
Translation was abit off for the DC question. Innocence interpreted the question as "why did DC lose?", instead of "any good things to say about DC who fought well?" His reply also did not have any BM in it. He thought DC couldn't adjust and show their full potential after game 2.

Anyway the team with the widest variety of strategies won. Can't complain about that. This was what DK2014 was suppose to be, but the team started showing fear. Wings were fearless. Pudge in grand finals? They were daring. Fully deserved win.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
August 14 2016 04:07 GMT
#4337
Time for reshuffle !!!! it's coming and it's gonna be a brutal one..really really brutal
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
August 14 2016 04:08 GMT
#4338
Man this TI was amazing, so so good, I was cheering for Alliance but didn't really expect them to win, still they had a good run. Wings are just amazing players, extremely entertaining to watch them play, so good, I mean that last game they were down by quite a bit and one good team fight was all it took to turn it around, that AM was godlike >.< so good.

The only thing that bothered me was that the casters, all of them, kept saying "spended" that isn't really a word D:, really makes me question if these guys are native english speakers.
Moroshima Haruka, forever best girl. My dream is to die thinking "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 04:10:22
August 14 2016 04:09 GMT
#4339
On August 14 2016 13:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, about half the money is removed on org/taxes. Well, almost a millionaire each nonetheless.


nonetheless indeed. It's massive pay day. The only thing I worry about it is that it's going to kids who have only played dota their whole lives and don't know a damn thing about money or finance. I hope Valve offers some kind of guidance to these kids.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 04:13:10
August 14 2016 04:12 GMT
#4340
GG Wings, and GG DC! What a final day.

hey icystorage, any news about what I asked? ty
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