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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/thumb/1/1d/Manilamajor.jpg/800px-Manilamajor.jpg) Friday, May 06 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Manila_Major/2016/Main_Qualifiers/China ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vursH.png)  BTS Multi Stream | BTS 2 BTS 3 | BTS 4Casters & Hosts: MultiCast Hosts - Sheever | Kotl Guy | SirActionSlacks | Nahaz Zyori | Blaze | Lyrical | Winter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgmCp.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H5LzV.png) Click Me | ||
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uriel-
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Orome
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my picture of lanm's enigma is he airballs bh but then somehow he has a refresher so who cares | ||
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calippo
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Spicy_Curry
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Orome
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shouldbeworking
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shouldbeworking
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On May 05 2016 12:54 PhoenixVoid wrote: Jugg Aghs wut Typical offlane jugg build | ||
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Elurie
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On May 05 2016 12:46 Orome wrote: dotatv is magically flawless for me You're lucky. | ||
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Nyan
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PhoenixVoid
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Nyan
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yes russian to china is way better than us to china | ||
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Orome
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idk, i kinda wish i hadn't seen this | ||
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the bear jew
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Orome
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Nyan
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Orome
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Nice to see CDEC's second team using this to win, still don't think they're going to win Newbee though. | ||
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Nyan
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Azarkon
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On May 05 2016 13:31 Nyan wrote: how did they even get thhrough the groupstage Their group was easy, I think. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 13:31 Nyan wrote: how did they even get thhrough the groupstage They had crumbling vg and thrash cdec in their groups . and old eleven carry was their surprise factor for group stage .. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Hope one of the youth teams make it out tbh, that'll be great. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 05 2016 13:35 Kamisamanachi wrote: I hope IG.v makes it..I like yuno and Fran sice long time..cdec.y making it there will also be great These teams don't know how to win Newbee. | ||
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Orome
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 13:50 Orome wrote: i blame 71 71 can't make old chicken better than dumpster tho ..and eleven suddenly better carry from offlaner..iceiceice just doing iceiceice things in important matches as he does everytime. | ||
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Wineandbread
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What a game | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Orome
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On May 05 2016 13:53 Kamisamanachi wrote: 71 can't make old chicken better than dumpster tho ..and eleven suddenly better carry from offlaner..iceiceice just doing iceiceice things in important matches as he does everytime. for the roster changes and the initial role changes that has now forced them into this also how do you let kaka go T_T | ||
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an00bis
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Picking up iceiceice and fenrir was a mistake | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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and yes, letting oldchicken stay and kaka and cty go was one of the lamest things i could imagine happen to any team..kaka is rekking bodies in newbee | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Sure, had they the money, all they had to do was: Keep Cty and Kaka Buy Sccc from Newbee Then they have a top team. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On May 05 2016 14:07 Azarkon wrote: Do people just think Ehome had the money to keep Cty and Kaka? Nobody knows why they left. Sure, had Ehome the money, all they had to do was: Keep Cty and Kaka Buy Sccc from Newbee And then they have a top team. someone in the other thread said cty was kicked and that's also the vibe i got from that one 71 interview after the swap | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
GG, go home ehome | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 14:08 Orome wrote: someone in the other thread said cty was kicked and that's also the vibe i got from that one 71 interview after the swap people say he was kicked because he questioned lanm's drafts sometimes..it is natural tho when u pick safelane dark seer in elimination match for your tempo controller ..anyone would be pissed | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 14:09 uriel- wrote: I'm getting DK vibes from this ehome roster GG, go home ehome they didn't win anything in china , let outside of it..i don't see any similarities in roster . their skill levels are below what DK were at their prime. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On May 05 2016 14:11 Kamisamanachi wrote: they didn't win anything in china , let outside of it..i don't see any similarities in roster . their skill levels are below what DK were at their prime. I meant in the way they lose. Long, drawn out, painful and devoid of hope. | ||
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an00bis
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Unless ehome pull a miracle and comeback from lower bracket Once again iceiceice showing he is a really overrated player although he did have some ok games a while back. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 14:13 uriel- wrote: I meant in the way they lose. Long, drawn out, painful and devoid of hope. yea, but DK always used to play long games to comeback from deficit. i saw them defend high ground and make a comeback..Ehome are just waiting in the base to get eaten alive by sven and puck rooting for ig.v in the next match..hope they win | ||
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RiZu
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 14:19 RiZu wrote: iceiceice was playing better support than Lamn tbh, they should get another carry if they want to hold on to old chicken and let Lamn play support. open qualifiers are waiting for them then.. they have to manage in what they got atleast until TI6 | ||
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Azarkon
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Orome
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goody153
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On May 05 2016 14:09 Kamisamanachi wrote: people say he was kicked because he questioned lanm's drafts sometimes..it is natural tho when u pick safelane dark seer in elimination match for your tempo controller ..anyone would be pissed I feel like that DS wasn't supposed to be for the safelaner but there were arguments in the drafts and lanm prolly picked the hero anyways or someone from the team had a strong opinion over another hero which lead to a non-wellrounded draft | ||
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an00bis
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shouldbeworking
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DucK-
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goody153
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also surprised that newbee got radiant side since they usually have dire side now it makes sense with the ench DK | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 05 2016 14:32 Orome wrote: Lanm's struggling super hard to either fill Kaka's shoes (Doom etc.) or make his own heroes/style work. I don't think people really appreciated how much Kaka did for old Ehome. I think I'd rather have him back of the two. Old Ehome road Kaka's Earth Spirit to most of their results in 6.86. Without Earth Spirit, their record wasn't very good. | ||
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Azarkon
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 05 2016 15:13 Azarkon wrote: This is easy for Newbee. Who's drafting for Newbee? (Datdota is down for me.) And is there a chance that this means Kaka is the best play in China right now? Considering how valuable he was for old Ehome and current Newbee? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
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Still not convinced by the SEA teams though. | ||
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goody153
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On May 05 2016 15:15 Taf the Ghost wrote: Who's drafting for Newbee? (Datdota is down for me.) And is there a chance that this means Kaka is the best play in China right now? Considering how valuable he was for old Ehome and current Newbee? even with the best team ever called Hearts Got Together aka HGT .. kaka was still pretty good with that team tbh entire is just playing well .. more like jelling well they have one clear direction in game and good drafts | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 05 2016 15:17 goody153 wrote: even with the best team ever called Hearts Got Together aka HGT .. kaka was still pretty good with that team tbh entire is just playing well .. more like jelling well they have one clear direction in game and good drafts That's why I'm curious who's drafting. China's problem at Shanghai was no one had a clue how to draft within the Meta at the time. That's why I'm curious who's gotten a lot better. | ||
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goody153
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On May 05 2016 15:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: That's why I'm curious who's drafting. China's problem at Shanghai was no one had a clue how to draft within the Meta at the time. That's why I'm curious who's gotten a lot better. I think it wasn't just drafting that they lack, it was synergy, the teams looked absolute shit in teamwork and playing as one. Well not anymore seems like all the "scrim-tournaments" are grinding their gears back. Kaka is draftin iirc ? | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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Orome
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goody153
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like just reconnect for a second .. | ||
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Orome
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i don't see who's supposed to beat newbee in this qualifier | ||
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uriel-
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TRAP[yoo]
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On May 05 2016 07:21 TRAP[yoo] wrote: cdec.y could upset ehome. lets see how it goes woooooo they did it :D | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
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On May 05 2016 16:41 Nomzter wrote: did newbee already win or whats happening`? ye 2-0 | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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EMOHE and VG are going to disband yet again. Sylar. CTY, old eleven, Fenrir, BurNing new team hype. | ||
TanGeng
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But yeah NewBee too strong. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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ForTehDarkseid
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I suspect Mu or Hao went full-actors mode for once? | ||
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uriel-
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Deep hero pool or running out of ideas? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On May 05 2016 16:57 uriel- wrote: Ehome with another new strat Deep hero pool or running out of ideas? the only thing indicating deep hero pool in that draft is drow , i think..other heroes are just standard picks for them | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 05 2016 16:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote: @Tangeng, thx for pointing out, I didn't watch that series. I suspect Mu or Hao went full-actors mode for once? G1 was a tense suspenseful drama. I guess you could say that in the last 20 minutes there was a lot of plays. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 05 2016 16:53 Kamisamanachi wrote: are they going to play only 2 bo3's today? 3 games a day. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Yuno and InJuly are unstable, WD is a joke. | ||
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a-game
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On May 05 2016 17:19 uriel- wrote: I love this sheever - winter cast for some reason, there's this weird synergy going on I'm finding it intolerable. Doesn't sound like the cast of an elimination match of a major | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 05 2016 17:47 a-game wrote: I'm finding it intolerable. Doesn't sound like the cast of an elimination match of a major Because it's not an elimination match of a major, duh. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
summary of the game pls? | ||
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uriel-
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On May 05 2016 17:47 a-game wrote: I'm finding it intolerable. Doesn't sound like the cast of an elimination match of a major It's not actually the major, but yeah. It does sound like the both of them have been smoking some of the good stuff. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 05 2016 17:49 Orome wrote: damn i didn't realise ehome ig.v was happening now summary of the game pls? Slark against 5 man push with drow/disruptor/wr/ench/tide. So, 45 minute long death animation filled with weird plays by ig.v | ||
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
On May 05 2016 17:49 lolfail9001 wrote: Because it's not an elimination match of a major, duh. Yes it is, whoever loses this set is eliminated from any chance of attending the major | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 05 2016 17:49 Orome wrote: damn i didn't realise ehome ig.v was happening now summary of the game pls? IG.V did not play well in the late game is what i saw. Invoker trying to backdoor with all 5 heroes alive for EHOME and 3 of his team dead. Cost them a game they were always behind in but still very strange decision making from ig.v | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 05 2016 17:52 a-game wrote: Yes it is, whoever loses this set is eliminated from any chance of attending the major Exactly, if it was elimination match of a major, they would be ALREADY ATTENDING A MAJOR, dammit. So, it's an elimination match of a qualifier, not of a major. | ||
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Cybuster
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That means the Loser of the Winner's bracket final would potentially have 11 games tomorrow (same for all regions). Ideally they should simultaneously play the 1st two playoff games, and subsequently the loser's match and the winner's match. Guess they don't want simultaneous games in playoffs. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 05 2016 18:00 Cybuster wrote: That means the Loser of the Winner's bracket final would potentially have 11 games tomorrow (same for all regions). Ideally they should simultaneously play the 1st two playoff games, and subsequently the loser's match and the winner's match. Guess they don't want simultaneous games in playoffs. It's max 9 isnt it? Using china example; CDEC Y 1-2 Newbee CDEC Y 2-1 EHOME NewBee 3-2 CDEC Y Oh forget its bo5  But still it is set out a bit better. Also you need some sort of advantage in getting to grand final via the winners bracket after all. | ||
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Orome
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On May 05 2016 18:46 LennX wrote: this new 5heros sticking together patch is a bit... yeah these games have mostly been seriously dull very little strategic diversity | ||
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a-game
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On May 05 2016 18:21 Dysisa wrote: I still don't understand why there's even a fucking losers bracket in this qualifier to begin with. Might as well have gone all out with a bracket reset if you were gonna go full retard like this. Wait what is the problem with this format? | ||
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LennX
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Getting caught with no BBs and lose oh well | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
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On May 05 2016 18:55 uriel- wrote: It's been like a week, give the patch time geesh since they did not patch the core mechanics at all i dont see a big change happening anytime soon. i would be hyped for one thou | ||
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uriel-
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It's a double elim for one qualification spot. That's a little weird I guess, since only one placing actually matters. | ||
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Dysisa
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I don't like there being a losers bracket when only first place matters, it's very blatantly unfair in this format. Take Newbee for instance, they're still undefeated, and say they don't drop a single game against CDEC.Y tomorrow. Then come the finals and whoever they go up against manages to beat them. Poof, Newbee is now eliminated while having only been allowed to lose one series as opposed to two series like everyone else. It's stupid and goes entirely against the spirit of fair competition. Seeing as this is just a qualifier too, I don't really see much of a problem with just moving the finals to a separate day for instance if you want to prevent whoever comes from losers bracket from having to play too many games. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On May 05 2016 19:08 Dysisa wrote: I don't like there being a losers bracket when only first place matters, it's very blatantly unfair in this format. Take Newbee for instance, they're still undefeated, and say they don't drop a single game against CDEC.Y tomorrow. Then come the finals and whoever they go up against manages to beat them. Poof, Newbee is now eliminated while having only been allowed to lose one series as opposed to two series like everyone else. It's stupid and goes entirely against the spirit of fair competition. Seeing as this is just a qualifier too, I don't really see much of a problem with just moving the finals to a separate day for instance if you want to prevent whoever comes from losers bracket from having to play too many games. It's the age old problem with the dota-style double-elims into single elim grand finals, except the problem is infinitely magnified because second place gets absolutely nothing here. There's no real solution I think, outside of making the whole thing single elimination brackets (and not lining up a potential 11 games for the same team for the final day of course). | ||
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CxWiLL
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On May 06 2016 12:06 plasmidghost wrote: Newbee has today easily not as easy as you think. Hao,mu and chuan must finish this early so they can attend Zhou's wedding ceremony. | ||
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juff
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On May 06 2016 12:19 CxWiLL wrote: not as easy as you think. Hao,mu and chuan must finish this early so they can attend Zhou's wedding ceremony. No worries, Zhou can wait. | ||
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juff
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On May 06 2016 12:36 plasmidghost wrote: I'm actually so sad that I didn't think of that haha, yeah. near perfect setup. | ||
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LennX
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stream is kaput =/ So zhou and chuan made up? | ||
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goody153
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On May 06 2016 13:40 PhoenixVoid wrote: I can see why people believed LGD over Newbee as an invite for Manila was such an injustice. literally best team in china i think they were like 45-5 last time i checked without adding the wins this playoffs if only they were invited so that another team could take the chinese qualifiers | ||
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goody153
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On May 06 2016 13:45 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why none of these teams can win Newbee. All I see from Newbee is the same strategy again and again and even though they play it well, it's though other teams lose their ability to fight and think when they play Newbee. the same as how teams from SL and ESL manila couldn't win against VG.R and Wings especially wings that team was just teamwork and aggression | ||
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goody153
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On May 06 2016 13:46 PhoenixVoid wrote: I remember kpii back in the MVP days when he qualified for weakest carry of TI5. At least he's definitely upgraded to a better player. tbh i never thought he was gonna do well lol | ||
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Azarkon
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On May 06 2016 13:47 goody153 wrote: the same as how teams from SL and ESL manila couldn't win against VG.R and Wings especially wings that team was just teamwork and aggression Teams from those tournaments did win them. Newbee hasn't lost a game. It's not the same. | ||
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Elurie
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On May 06 2016 13:45 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why none of these teams can win Newbee. Maybe because Newbee isn't a grand prize or lottery? lol idk why this word usage bugs me more than all the anti-chinese crap you spewed. | ||
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goody153
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On May 06 2016 13:57 Azarkon wrote: Teams from those tournaments did win them. Newbee hasn't lost a game. It's not the same. What's the difference they still lost in the same time period. just like navi to vg.r and tl/col to wings. On May 06 2016 14:06 DucK- wrote: Can't wait for newbee to qualify and then play like shit in manila and epicenter XD this happened to many times that i can't even pretend this is not a possiblity lol (newbee or just chuan+crew owning then completely dumstered at an important event) | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On May 06 2016 13:45 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why none of these teams can win Newbee. All I see from Newbee is the same strategy again and again and even though they play it well, it's though other teams lose their ability to fight and think when they play Newbee. 33 different heroes picked in this qualifier in 12 games. and you call it same strategy. I guess the same strategy you mean is 'play dota2'? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:21 Azarkon wrote: It doesn't matter what heroes you use when you use them the same way. Every game they win simply by taking a team fight that they just win. Even when the other team has an advantage, they can't close it because they lose a fight trying to push into Newbee, else lose a fight because they are caught out. This is just simple out play. What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. but basically every dota games without rAt is about 'taking a team fight and win', right? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:23 CxWiLL wrote: but basically every dota games without rAt is about 'taking a team fight and win', right? No, many games are about getting an advantage in other ways, and then taking a fight when you're already going to win. Newbee doesn't do this. They don't always win the early game; but they win every important fight. | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:25 Azarkon wrote: No, many games are about getting an advantage in other ways, and then taking a fight when you're already going to win. Newbee doesn't do this. They don't always win the early game; but they win every important fight. So basically every winning team ? lol literally eg or secret or coL or OG or mvp or just any other team that is winning you find what newbee is doing done alot by eg in the past just pickoff heroes take objectives find a fight with advantage and rinse+repeat On May 06 2016 14:10 Azarkon wrote: We'll have to wait for the top Western teams to show us whether Newbee is as hard as their results say. the same logic can be used against wings will the other "top" western teams beat a weaker chinese team(wings)  but there's a merit in what you say though it's not exclusive to western teams but also SEA (mvp/fnatic ) too newbee need to be tested against them as well | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:21 Azarkon wrote: It doesn't matter what heroes you use when you use them the same way. Every game they win, they win by team fight. Even when the other team has an advantage, they can't close it because they lose a fight trying to push into Newbee, else lose a fight because Newbee push into them. This is just simple out play. What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. Drafting for synergy. The major dysfunction at Shanghai had to have been personified by VG: brilliant team-fight coordination, terrible heroes to team-fight with. Kaka & Fy seem to be drafting really well lately, and that's much of the difference. As for how they're playing, the top teams will simply ban Newbee off their favored carries and drag them late. Dodge & Avoid the team-fight and backstab them. The interesting matchup is against MVP.P. MVP pretty much plays a "bait ganks into 5v3 team fights" style, most of the time. (They draft around showing up quickly and being able to reengage. Good strategy, but they have to be playing at their peak skill to be stable.) So there's a real potential for some fascinating Cat & Mouse games. | ||
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a-game
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
also the amount of fights decided by the first lucky/unlucky blind blink initiations | ||
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Warfie
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
EHOME changing the roles back looks better if a bit unconvincing. | ||
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lolfail9001
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lolfail9001
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On May 06 2016 16:00 juff wrote: will all 5 cdec heroes get force staff and hurricane pike? To be honest, i had hope cdec will pick techies. This is dream techies game in ANY patch. EDIT: 5 melees against hardlane invoker. This clown 9 vs clown 9. | ||
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malcram
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
woo ehome | ||
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Chrian
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On May 06 2016 16:15 Chrian wrote: Oh my god fenrir | ||
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Mistakes were made. | ||
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But if you sacrifice him, then he becomes very inconsistent and generally ineffective. Almost like he tilts. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:26 DucK- wrote: Yea. Always said this. If you give iceiceice a strong start with a tempo controller offlane, you can count on him to take over the game. He is very reliable in this aspect. But if you sacrifice him, then he becomes very inconsistent and generally ineffective. Almost like he tilts. i think winter said that he always believes there's one big play he can make to come back, so the worse he does the bigger risks he takes. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:29 juff wrote: i think winter said that he always believes there's one big play he can make to come back, so the worse he does the bigger risks he takes. That explains DK vs LGD game at TI4 nicely. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:29 juff wrote: i think winter said that he always believes there's one big play he can make to come back, so the worse he does the bigger risks he takes. don't let him gamble. keep doubling down until you win. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:41 Pandemona wrote: EHOME vs Newbee. Can EHOME upset the team who has not dropped a map so far in 6 matches! You mean in like 20 matches already or what was Newbee's streak rn? | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:41 Pandemona wrote: EHOME vs Newbee. Can EHOME upset the team who has not dropped a map so far in 6 matches! Hmm newbee has gone 12-0 so far. They shall lose 0-3 and then we can all whine about how shit a double elimination format is when there's no winners advantage or reset XD | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:42 lolfail9001 wrote: You mean in like 20 matches already or what was Newbee's streak rn? Yeah meant in this qualifier. On May 06 2016 16:43 DucK- wrote: Hmm newbee has gone 12-0 so far. They shall lose 0-3 and then we can all whine about how shit a double elimination format is when there's no winners advantage or reset XD Would be good reason to if your a newbee if it does happen maybe :3 | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:43 DucK- wrote: Hmm newbee has gone 12-0 so far. They shall lose 0-3 and then we can all whine about how shit a double elimination format is when there's no winners advantage or reset XD i wouldn't blame the format .. since that's a 3-0 loss but i'll blame volvo for wasting a chance to put a really good team in manila who now got fluked etc etc .. if they win i'm just gonna say waste of chance for a new team or another team in the manila major just because they put newbee in the qualifiers etc etc either way i'll blame volvo for not inviting them over lgd or maybe alliance lol | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:47 goody153 wrote: i wouldn't blame the format .. since that's a 3-0 loss but i'll blame volvo for wasting a chance to put a really good team in manila who now got fluked You can actually probably blame VG.R & Wings. (More Wings, realistically.) Working it out, I'm pretty sure Valve really only wanted to invite 10 teams, but the way the Majors system works, that's not really going to fly. (Unless you fly the 2nd place teams from each region out for a Wild-Card Qualifiers) If Wings and/or VG.R hadn't made the finals of the two LANs, and it was just Invite teams, then Valve would have only done 8 invites, more than likely. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote: You can actually probably blame VG.R & Wings. (More Wings, realistically.) Working it out, I'm pretty sure Valve really only wanted to invite 10 teams, but the way the Majors system works, that's not really going to fly. (Unless you fly the 2nd place teams from each region out for a Wild-Card Qualifiers) If Wings and/or VG.R hadn't made the finals of the two LANs, and it was just Invite teams, then Valve would have only done 8 invites, more than likely. alright goddamn it wings ! though can't really blame them for inviting a lan winner (as long as it's not like super t3 lan) | ||
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It's the non-lan winners and those who didn't do well in the majors that got invited are a bit unfair. | ||
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On May 06 2016 16:51 Taf the Ghost wrote: You can actually probably blame VG.R & Wings. (More Wings, realistically.) Working it out, I'm pretty sure Valve really only wanted to invite 10 teams, but the way the Majors system works, that's not really going to fly. (Unless you fly the 2nd place teams from each region out for a Wild-Card Qualifiers) If Wings and/or VG.R hadn't made the finals of the two LANs, and it was just Invite teams, then Valve would have only done 8 invites, more than likely. Valve could easily invite Shanghai's top 6+ VG.R + Wings actually. But then they would be shafting OG, Alliance, Navi into qualifier and that is not pretty, so they went ahead with inviting them too. And LGD because "why not!?". | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:02 juff wrote: tide vs dk mid must be a really sad lane for auto attacks. well i'm sure denies are not a thing in that lane but i can see creeps getting nuked all the time and nobody dying unless rotations | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:05 Thetwinmasters wrote: Can someone post the draft ok will do but idk how to do those with images here | ||
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Ehome: Lone Druid, Enchantress, Dark Seer, Dragon Knight, Earth Spirit Newbee: Phoenix, Doom, Tidehunter, Disruptor, Spectre (I missed the actual drafting phase so highly unlikely that was the order they were picked in) | ||
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wd ds jugg alch ogre taring vs enchan np clinkz spectre edit: opps i thought this was the SEA thread lol didn't even know the game is up already | ||
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NewBee managing the cooldowns really well. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:17 Azarkon wrote: Yes, fight into Newbee, fight into a strategy that is all about team fight. Yeah, implying they can rat with this line-up (EHOME that is). | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:21 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, implying they can rat with this line-up (EHOME that is). Of course they can. But the problem is that they don't know how to. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:23 Azarkon wrote: Of course they can. But the problem is that they don't know how to. Neither do you. | ||
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As long as NewBee doesn't try to high ground too early against DS, NewBee has this. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:35 juff wrote: i know, lone druid can get octarine manta and try to naga it Manta bear :o I have honestly not seen this haha | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:31 Taf the Ghost wrote: I'm still having a hard time figuring out is Newbee is really, really good or pretty much everyone in China is just that bad. Not saying that we're watching great dota in the Qualifiers, NewBee executing all kinds of strats and better from ahead than other qualifier teams. Good farming spacing and asserting map is better than European team No Diggity. They're also very decisive on the ganking. NewBee also don't throw as hard. (Hao please come back!) The hard thing to say is how well NewBee play from behind or how good these other Chinese teams are compared to the Europeans. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:40 spudde123 wrote: EHOME has a draft that wants to 5 man towers but they are playing against a draft that has far superior teamfight. And if EHOME doesn't group up to fight, I don't see how their situation would have been much better. Newbee has the superior heroes for a split up game too. Does feel like a pure outdraft. If anything EHOME had win the early game harder and then basically win by 20 minutes. | ||
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But i always think u in for a bad time when you let Kaka get phoenix, he is the best phoenix player in the world by a long way. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:46 TanGeng wrote: Does feel like a pure outdraft. If anything EHOME had win the early game harder and then basically win by 20 minutes. First Phase Dragon Knight really wasn't the play. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:38 TanGeng wrote: Not saying that we're watching great dota in the Qualifiers, NewBee executing all kinds of strats and better from ahead than other qualifier teams. Good farming spacing and asserting map is better than European team No Diggity. They're also very decisive on the ganking. NewBee also don't throw as hard. (Hao please come back!) The hard thing to say is how well NewBee play from behind or how good these other Chinese teams are compared to the Europeans. Newbee is clearly a Tier 1 team, but we'll see what happens on LAN. Previous Ehome's drafts could be badly messed up if you banned out Kaka, and with Kaka drafting and, seemingly, shot-calling, that's probably a weakness that hasn't been exploited yet. Though I'd like to point out that pretty much no one in the top 6 of the WePlay LAN would have drafted Enchantress over Bounty Hunter with first pick. >_> Especially against a heavy 5-maning Newbee. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:58 malcram wrote: Terrorblade is back? first time being picked in the qualis? In Chinese Qualifier. It has been picked in American Qualifier to deal with Alchemist. | ||
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On May 06 2016 17:58 malcram wrote: Terrorblade is back? first time being picked in the qualis? I saw a Terrorblade at one point in the group phase, and it went as badly as you expected. I still expect this to go badly. | ||
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And I dont know why it's bothering me. >.< | ||
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ehome looks done. viper is pretty useless, and alch, is doing alch things. | ||
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 they might get abit jet lagged if they don't leave asap. | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:28 Orome wrote: i wonder how much rpg newbee still plays they're playing one right now it seems. | ||
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Loving Hao and Mu too  | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:32 Dysisa wrote: Why Newbee had to play qualifiers is still an absolute fucking mystery to me. Because LGD got freebie. | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:32 DucK- wrote: Old chicken rubbish on viper Serious question, can you show me a game where someone didn't look rubbish on viper playing from behind? | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:35 opterown wrote: easy rekt now time to blame volvo for not inviting them depriving what other team that could've passed through the qualifiers | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:35 Tuco wrote: Serious question, can you show me a game where someone didn't look rubbish on viper playing from behind? The reason he was so behind in the first place was cuz he played bad. | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:35 Tuco wrote: Serious question, can you show me a game where someone didn't look rubbish on viper playing from behind? Doesn't exist. That hero is not a flashy playmaking hero. Basically 1 spell FFS. He was picked to give Ehome an easy lane and then transition to a mid game where they win with TB illusions chipping towers. Too bad that fight after they took dire tier 3 was so badly executed they lost any chance they had. TB going for lifesteal with infest was not the fucken play. | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:42 lolfail9001 wrote: By the way, yeah, how come i saw Mu at top of last hit chart against freaking Viper? I think there were two courier snipes? | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:57 Pandemona wrote: EHOME donezo. What on earth with the techies pick tiny pretty gud with techies | ||
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I want this to get to late game. | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:58 malcram wrote: i dont even... what is this draft from ehome lol Brilliant is what it is, have faith in your team! | ||
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That possibly explains why viper didn't dominate mid I guess. It made no sense how alch and viper had same cs pre 6. But still not defensible to be tanking tier 2 top tower for no reason when creeps wasn't even there yet. Plus the many other feeds before the game spiralled out of control. | ||
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This'll be a fun one, at the least! | ||
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On May 06 2016 18:59 juff wrote: are there any heroes left after the 6.87 health change that die to techies toss? Has to be kotol. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:00 eonrulz wrote: So this is EHome's equivalent of The Mighty Ducks doing the Flying-V at the last minute, right? This'll be a fun one, at the least! ahahaha nice description xd | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:02 Azarkon wrote: I agree with what they're doing. The only way they're going to take a game from Newbee is by making them not understand the game. Except Newbee understands the hardest counter to techies in the game. And plays it. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:23 TanGeng wrote: well doesn't naga just get gem? was wonderign as well but i suppose it's not really the mines that are killing them just the vision from it | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:06 lolfail9001 wrote: Btw, did mine stacking got nerfed or what? In the post-TI5 nerf they made it so mines can't be perfectly stacked anymore | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:28 malcram wrote: what in the fuck is happening, HOW IS THIS WORKING?!? there isn't really any mine kill but the vision is giving ehome heads up everytime newbee tries to move around the map | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:01 goody153 wrote: oh dear god if i was newbee and i lose to this lineup i'm just gonna tilt They have Enchantress and Naga. THey should take a long break from Dota if they lose to techies' map control with that hero. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:29 mutantmagnet wrote: They have Enchantress and Naga. THey should take a long break from Dota if they lose to techies' map control with that hero. literally retire haha not even the mass winstreak is gonna redeem them | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:32 lolfail9001 wrote: Lost remembers his dota 1 history of how to beat chinese. I thought you said Newbee knows how to play against this. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:32 juff wrote: what's the envy quote about chaos? "You don't go for the beautiful loss, you go suicidal. You have to make the game way more chaotic than this. Make it so that no one understands Dota anymore. If both teams understand Dota, then both team knows you have lost the game." | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:33 Azarkon wrote: I thought you said Newbee knows how to play against this. You were saying? Newbee forgot how to play against Axe for a minute, but now recovered. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:32 juff wrote: what's the envy quote about chaos? http://i.imgur.com/cR1jC6t.jpg i think the notail quote only works here too "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -Notail | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:34 lolfail9001 wrote: You were saying? Newbee forgot how to play against Axe for a minute, but now recovered. What I see is that Newbee has a hard time against a new hero even when they pick all the best against it. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:34 Azarkon wrote: What I see is that Newbee has a hard time against a new hero even when they pick all the best against it. What i see is that Newbee are losing teamfights with techies on other side of the map, so and now EHOME returns the favor. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:37 goody153 wrote: C9.OldChicken He got the Tier 3. I feel that death was worth it because they can't push off of that. | ||
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nobody is going to kill him | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:34 goody153 wrote: http://i.imgur.com/cR1jC6t.jpg i think the notail quote only works here too "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -Notail Notail's quote actually fits this game better.... but that galaxy backdrop is so damn perfect! | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:41 Azarkon wrote: Time to see how Newbee does in an international tournament, now that they've shown themselves to be the best team in China. Best is understatement, A-God. They did not even lose to techies. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:43 Kamisamanachi wrote: Just came back and saw last few mins of that game..how were rest of the games ? game 3 was pretty fun .. newbee forced out of their comfort zone cause techies/axe/tiny lol but they still eventually won | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:43 Kamisamanachi wrote: Just came back and saw last few mins of that game..how were rest of the games ? Clowny lineup played clowny. It was even competitive for a while | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:44 goody153 wrote: game 3 was pretty fun .. newbee forced out of their comfort zone cause techies/axe/tiny lol but they still eventually won Yea , I was also surprised by that draft .but that draft had no synergy unless they get their combos right . toss into bombs or call into suicide type of thing.. Idk ,but it felt like cheap attempt at trying to do something new in important game. | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:47 Kamisamanachi wrote: Yea , I was also surprised by that draft .but that draft had no synergy unless they get their combos right . toss into bombs or call into suicide type of thing.. Idk ,but it felt like cheap attempt at trying to do something new in important game. It actually worked in a sense and newbee was forced to play clumped up. The techies mines didn't actually put them behind that game but the vision from it and mines going through smoke it ruined a couple of newbee's rotation which eventually forced to play scared. tho it didn't matter they won nyways .. they have naga i don't think a normal style would've worked they already tried that .. it seems that newbee is just clearly the better team this time around | ||
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