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Elurie
4716 Posts
On May 06 2016 13:45 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why none of these teams can win Newbee. Maybe because Newbee isn't a grand prize or lottery?  lol idk why this word usage bugs me more than all the anti-chinese crap you spewed. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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goody153
44280 Posts
On May 06 2016 13:57 Azarkon wrote: Teams from those tournaments did win them. Newbee hasn't lost a game. It's not the same. What's the difference they still lost in the same time period. just like navi to vg.r and tl/col to wings. On May 06 2016 14:06 DucK- wrote: Can't wait for newbee to qualify and then play like shit in manila and epicenter XD this happened to many times that i can't even pretend this is not a possiblity lol (newbee or just chuan+crew owning then completely dumstered at an important event) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On May 06 2016 13:45 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why none of these teams can win Newbee. All I see from Newbee is the same strategy again and again and even though they play it well, it's though other teams lose their ability to fight and think when they play Newbee. 33 different heroes picked in this qualifier in 12 games. and you call it same strategy. I guess the same strategy you mean is 'play dota2'? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:21 Azarkon wrote: It doesn't matter what heroes you use when you use them the same way. Every game they win simply by taking a team fight that they just win. Even when the other team has an advantage, they can't close it because they lose a fight trying to push into Newbee, else lose a fight because they are caught out. This is just simple out play. What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. but basically every dota games without rAt is about 'taking a team fight and win', right? | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:23 CxWiLL wrote: but basically every dota games without rAt is about 'taking a team fight and win', right? No, many games are about getting an advantage in other ways, and then taking a fight when you're already going to win. Newbee doesn't do this. They don't always win the early game; but they win every important fight. | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:25 Azarkon wrote: No, many games are about getting an advantage in other ways, and then taking a fight when you're already going to win. Newbee doesn't do this. They don't always win the early game; but they win every important fight. So basically every winning team ? lol literally eg or secret or coL or OG or mvp or just any other team that is winning you find what newbee is doing done alot by eg in the past just pickoff heroes take objectives find a fight with advantage and rinse+repeat On May 06 2016 14:10 Azarkon wrote: We'll have to wait for the top Western teams to show us whether Newbee is as hard as their results say. the same logic can be used against wings will the other "top" western teams beat a weaker chinese team(wings)  but there's a merit in what you say though it's not exclusive to western teams but also SEA (mvp/fnatic ) too newbee need to be tested against them as well | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:21 Azarkon wrote: It doesn't matter what heroes you use when you use them the same way. Every game they win, they win by team fight. Even when the other team has an advantage, they can't close it because they lose a fight trying to push into Newbee, else lose a fight because Newbee push into them. This is just simple out play. What I don't understand is why Newbee is so above other Chinese teams in this. Drafting for synergy. The major dysfunction at Shanghai had to have been personified by VG: brilliant team-fight coordination, terrible heroes to team-fight with. Kaka & Fy seem to be drafting really well lately, and that's much of the difference. As for how they're playing, the top teams will simply ban Newbee off their favored carries and drag them late. Dodge & Avoid the team-fight and backstab them. The interesting matchup is against MVP.P. MVP pretty much plays a "bait ganks into 5v3 team fights" style, most of the time. (They draft around showing up quickly and being able to reengage. Good strategy, but they have to be playing at their peak skill to be stable.) So there's a real potential for some fascinating Cat & Mouse games. | ||
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
also the amount of fights decided by the first lucky/unlucky blind blink initiations | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
EHOME changing the roles back looks better if a bit unconvincing. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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