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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 17:25:31
May 03 2016 17:22 GMT
#141
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 01:20:11
May 04 2016 01:04 GMT
#142
On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.


Just love the fact that you gave no fucks to the SEA/NA/EU qualifiers, came here to shit on the two teams that haven't drop a single game.
Keep on doing your great work.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 01:56:27
May 04 2016 01:51 GMT
#143
On May 03 2016 21:58 Gevna wrote:
VG is such a disappointment for me :-(

they're an irritation to me

team made pretending to be an all star and try hard fail
what an irritating squad, even the way they lost is so irritating
rotk and burning should call it a day already


On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.

I was starting to think you're legit
until you're comparing with miracle
hahahahalololololwakakakaxixixixiroflmao*laugh in spanish*

the thrower of the team that have a one hit wonder tournament then roflcopterfail the rest of their life

so you're saying miracle is better than the TI4 champions at their best *helicopter laughs*
-Terran-
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 01:55 GMT
#144
On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.



Just tell me one thing. Does liquiddota give u money for writing these no meaning walls of texts?
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:10:06
May 04 2016 02:01 GMT
#145
On May 04 2016 10:04 CxWiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.


Just love the fact that you gave no fucks to the SEA/NA/EU qualifiers, came here to shit on the two teams that haven't drop a single game.
Keep on doing your great work.


Of course I gave no shit about those. Every team that I think ought to be in Manila from those regions is already there. At best I'd watch the final of Southeast Asia and Europe, because the quality of the rest of the teams is low due to the large amount of invite.

But Newbee and Ehome are said to be top teams in China. Newbee is said to be the best team in China. So of course this is different. Is Secret in the Europe tournament? Is PPD's team in the America tournament?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:09:40
May 04 2016 02:02 GMT
#146
On May 04 2016 10:51 Vertical wrote:
so you're saying miracle is better than the TI4 champions at their best *helicopter laughs*


Yes, and you would too, had you the ability to see skill.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 04 2016 02:07 GMT
#147
On May 03 2016 23:27 uriel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 23:11 TanGeng wrote:
Old Eleven played a mean farmed invoker. But carrying the world as invoker seems to be the standard practice these days, unless you are Artezzy.


old chicken? He plays the invoker iirc


It was old chicken wasn't it. Yeah. Invoker is such a broken hero, I mixed up the mid with the carry... Silly me.
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Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:14:57
May 04 2016 02:13 GMT
#148
On May 04 2016 11:07 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 23:27 uriel- wrote:
On May 03 2016 23:11 TanGeng wrote:
Old Eleven played a mean farmed invoker. But carrying the world as invoker seems to be the standard practice these days, unless you are Artezzy.


old chicken? He plays the invoker iirc


It was old chicken wasn't it. Yeah. Invoker is such a broken hero, I mixed up the mid with the carry... Silly me.


doesn't matter tho. they are all old .

ability to see skills..This is like straight outta 90's comics shit someone is spewing. lmao
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
May 04 2016 02:14 GMT
#149
On May 04 2016 11:01 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 10:04 CxWiLL wrote:
On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.


Just love the fact that you gave no fucks to the SEA/NA/EU qualifiers, came here to shit on the two teams that haven't drop a single game.
Keep on doing your great work.


Of course I gave no shit about those. Every team that I think ought to be in Manila from those regions is already there. At best I'd watch the final of Southeast Asia and Europe, because the quality of the rest of the teams is low due to the large amount of invite.

But Newbee and Ehome are said to be top teams in China. Newbee is said to be the best team in China. So of course this is different. Is Secret in the Europe tournament? Is PPD's team?

Oh
so you were comparing Ehome and Newbee to the top teams like
secret, that is 0-4 by Empire, which is now 0-1-1 on the bottom of the EU qualifier.
And PPD's team, that lost to Vega, which is also in the qualifier.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:22:37
May 04 2016 02:19 GMT
#150
On May 04 2016 11:14 CxWiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 11:01 Azarkon wrote:
On May 04 2016 10:04 CxWiLL wrote:
On May 04 2016 02:22 Azarkon wrote:
From first day results, the two favorites are Ehome and Newbee, with the latter being the more obvious favorite. I do not believe Ehome has ever been able to beat Newbee in an official game but that was before the change of Lanm back to support. Newbee looks to have run a MVP strategy in their second game; perhaps Kpii brought that knowledge after he left the team to make room for an all Korean MVP. The ability to run several strategies has always been important and has traditionally been what Newbee was weak at, so this might be what puts them over their previous ability.

In terms of these two teams, I'd rather see Newbee than Ehome at Manila as we've already seen Ehome plenty of times. But both teams have, in my opinion, a few weak players who might not be able to achieve world class. For Ehome, it is Chicken and Iceiceice, both of which are known to fail in international tournaments, Ehome might well be a team that has its best results over the internet and from the comfort of home, rather than at the event.

For Newbee, they have three old players. Yes, they did improve, and are near the skill that they once were at, but their best is known and it has never been above other region's best even before the rise of players such as Miracle, so at best they are solid, in which case the other players will have to make up for the difference. Kaka has a lot of talent, and has the ability to be world class, in my opinion. Kpii, however, is an issue for Newbee - he's not an off player you can get a lot of plays from, and he's never shown the ability to compete with world class off players in the past. This, I think, is what will make, or not make, Newbee a top international team: whether Kpii will rise above what he was.


Just love the fact that you gave no fucks to the SEA/NA/EU qualifiers, came here to shit on the two teams that haven't drop a single game.
Keep on doing your great work.


Of course I gave no shit about those. Every team that I think ought to be in Manila from those regions is already there. At best I'd watch the final of Southeast Asia and Europe, because the quality of the rest of the teams is low due to the large amount of invite.

But Newbee and Ehome are said to be top teams in China. Newbee is said to be the best team in China. So of course this is different. Is Secret in the Europe tournament? Is PPD's team?

Oh
so you were comparing Ehome and Newbee to the top teams like
secret, that is 0-4 by Empire, which is now 0-1-1 on the bottom of the EU qualifier.
And PPD's team, that lost to Vega, which is also in the qualifier.


Top teams do lose to lower teams, especially when they first get together. Doesn't change the fact that these teams are going to out perform any of those teams during Manila. It's not the same situation, unless you believe the top Chinese teams are, in fact, the teams that were the invite for China, which I do not. I also do not and have never believed that those two European teams you brought up are the top teams of the West. Remember this for Manila.
BoesFX
Profile Joined April 2013
1465 Posts
May 04 2016 02:26 GMT
#151
Old Chicken Timbersaw and iceiceice Morphling from EHOME
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 02:27 GMT
#152
That timber is such a good midlane against undying alch dual midlane..he is just dumpstering both of them
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:38:28
May 04 2016 02:37 GMT
#153
The only thing I recall is that the shit player old chicken in the shit worthless team EHOME may or may not have dumpstered a Top Western American White People team 3-0 in some finals recently

You can easily see where these teams stand, if a shit team like EHOME can do that to this West America team we can only speculate how truly shit that team must have been. I heard they disbanded too after being too shit. Am I doing well in my analysis guys ;*)
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 02:47 GMT
#154
Ehome needs to be careful tho...this alch is getting power now and veno aghs is coming soon
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 02:56:28
May 04 2016 02:54 GMT
#155
iceiceice's build feels gimmicky despite all that gold. Maybe he should get the Lion hybrid for the extra Hex.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 02:56 GMT
#156
On May 04 2016 11:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
iceiceice's build feels gimmicky despite all that gold. Maybe he should get the Lion hybrid for the extra Finger.


u cant use ultimate on hybrid
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 04 2016 02:58 GMT
#157
Yeah, I forgot about that.
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Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 02:58 GMT
#158
Yea.. alchemist is a raid boss now
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
May 04 2016 02:59 GMT
#159
This one one of the best 4 protect 1 game ive ever seen in a while , doesnt matter if ftd win or lose
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 04 2016 03:01 GMT
#160
blademail > armlet?
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