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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5081
Nice finally back and free to watch some dota and we're just starting the lower bracket

THANKS DELAYS <33333
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5082
On August 04 2015 10:32 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:31 TheNewEra wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.

Can you stop it please Mensol?

I will stop shitting on them when they start being good.

Well your last posts make you look like a bigger clown than C9 ever were
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5083
On August 04 2015 10:24 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Is Azarkon on suicide watch


No, because Secret is still going to win. In fact, this helps my argument about new talent.


I don't think it's possible for any spectator to argue that Secret wasn't then favourite for TI5.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5084
On August 04 2015 10:34 eieio wrote:
Nice finally back and free to watch some dota and we're just starting the lower bracket

THANKS DELAYS <33333

In other words, "I have no passion and planned out my day terribly."
kiss kiss fall in love
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5085
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid


once upon a time NoTail was a great player.

God this has to be the worst incarnation of c9 yet. Blargh. I expected more than *that*.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 01:34:58
August 04 2015 01:34 GMT
#5086
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:25 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:23 Azarkon wrote:
CDEC winning this shows yet again that new talent > old.

Secret and EG are full of old talent


But both have new talent. Well, in the case of Secret it's two year old talent, but still pretty new.

Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft...


Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5087
On August 04 2015 10:34 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:32 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 TheNewEra wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.

Can you stop it please Mensol?

I will stop shitting on them when they start being good.

Well your last posts make you look like a bigger clown than C9 ever were

Have you seen my dipshit rants about how infallible Secret is? I got my red nose and balloons a long time ago.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5088
On August 04 2015 10:32 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid

pld I didn't mind too much but losing Aui was a mistake.


they were a package pair and at least c9 was consistent

now they just flop and on extremely rare occasions give you hope

i miss SPG
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5089
On August 04 2015 10:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.

In Starcraft a player whose apparent prime was in 2007-2008 would not be able to come back and win an international tournament in 2013.

I don't want to start an argument about mechanical demand, but from their respective histories, it's pretty clear that Starcraft is a game that's way more punishing to older players that are past their prime. The comparison to Starcraft in this regard is really not that appropriate.

You do have a point, granted due to my poor memory for some reason i think you're referencing Jaedong who well, did win a tournament in 2013. Or worse even, Flash, who did win a tournament in 2014. (both international, neither came close to winning real tournaments in SC2).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5090
So koreans are forced to do military service ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5091
On August 04 2015 10:34 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:34 eieio wrote:
Nice finally back and free to watch some dota and we're just starting the lower bracket

THANKS DELAYS <33333

In other words, "I have no passion and planned out my day terribly."

well yeah basically but I was pretty sure I was gonna be watching exclusively vods so I'm pretty happy about this lol
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 04 2015 01:35 GMT
#5092
On August 04 2015 10:35 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:32 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid

pld I didn't mind too much but losing Aui was a mistake.


they were a package pair and at least c9 was consistent

now they just flop and on extremely rare occasions give you hope

i miss SPG

Well I see why they would try to change things up. It just didn't work out
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5093
On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:25 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
[quote]
Secret and EG are full of old talent


But both have new talent. Well, in the case of Secret it's two year old talent, but still pretty new.

Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft...


Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.

Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 01:37:13
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5094
On August 04 2015 10:35 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:32 TheYango wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.

In Starcraft a player whose apparent prime was in 2007-2008 would not be able to come back and win an international tournament in 2013.

I don't want to start an argument about mechanical demand, but from their respective histories, it's pretty clear that Starcraft is a game that's way more punishing to older players that are past their prime. The comparison to Starcraft in this regard is really not that appropriate.

You do have a point, granted due to my poor memory for some reason i think you're referencing Jaedong who well, did win a tournament in 2013. Or worse even, Flash, who did win a tournament in 2014. (both international, neither came close to winning real tournaments in SC2).

Star2's kind of a different beast. I was actually referring to Loda winning TI3.

I'd argue that neither Flash nor Jaedong actually hit their peak till as late as 2009/2010.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5095
On August 04 2015 10:35 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:32 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid

pld I didn't mind too much but losing Aui was a mistake.


they were a package pair and at least c9 was consistent

now they just flop and on extremely rare occasions give you hope

i miss SPG

For SPG proper we need Arteezy and no bOne but he's lost to Secret sadly.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5096
Wow I didn't know March could speak English, that's a pleasant surprise.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5097
On August 04 2015 10:34 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid


once upon a time NoTail was a great player.

God this has to be the worst incarnation of c9 yet. Blargh. I expected more than *that*.


Yes and somehow C9 ruined him. :/
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5098
On August 04 2015 10:35 Faruko wrote:
So koreans are forced to do military service ?

I'm baffled in the best way that someone could be on a Liquid site and not know this :D
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5099
On August 04 2015 10:34 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:31 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 Daralii wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.

"One" meaning one tournament, of course. Misery's the only good player on the team, the others should've faded into irrelevance after TI4. I feel bad for Jack for paying them.


i still think swapping aui_2000/pld out was stupid


once upon a time NoTail was a great player.

God this has to be the worst incarnation of c9 yet. Blargh. I expected more than *that*.

Once upon a time when Elder Titan and Wisp were overpowered. He hasn't been actually good since he was playing Slither mid.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 04 2015 01:36 GMT
#5100
On August 04 2015 10:35 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:34 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:34 eieio wrote:
Nice finally back and free to watch some dota and we're just starting the lower bracket

THANKS DELAYS <33333

In other words, "I have no passion and planned out my day terribly."

well yeah basically but I was pretty sure I was gonna be watching exclusively vods so I'm pretty happy about this lol

How are you allowed to be staff and watch exclusively vods?

Your team flair is now demoted to LGD.
kiss kiss fall in love
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