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On August 11 2013 13:25 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:24 babylon wrote:
I just hope Burning doesn't retire. DK played amazing this tournament, just didn't bring their A-game today while Orange did ... :< lets be honest, dk played mostly shit this tournament
If by "shit," you mean, "They didn't look untouchable like Alliance," then everybody has played like shit this tournament. DK is the only team to have taken a game off Alliance this entire tournament and, even before facing Alliance, it seems to me they consistently played solid, clean DotA and didn't make too many stupid drafts (granted I don't know much about DotA but they won a lot of games so the drafts can't have been horrible). Meanwhile, the team everyone had placed their hopes on as the only challenger to the Alliance throne (Na'vi) didn't even give as good a fight as LGD did.
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On August 11 2013 13:29 BigAsia wrote:
Where is the documentary, thought it was today?
yes in Benaroya Hall, not on stream
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On August 11 2013 13:33 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:27 hyptonic wrote:On August 11 2013 13:26 Intact wrote:Why so much hate for Alliance  play the same 10 heroes and have a really boring style it's working for them but sooo bad to watch Basically. Super hyper efficient jungling, sacrificing prophet levels to fuck with the enemy, defensive naga songs, mass buybacks to win teamfights 7/8v5, etc. It works well but all that shit is not that enjoyable to watch.
It is so enjoyable if you like to watch high level, perfectly executed dota. It is less enjoyable if all you want to see is kills and Russian dota. Admittedly, Orange are more exciting because they are both playing extremely aggressive dota AND executing perfectly.
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On August 11 2013 13:36 Shaella wrote:
Part of that is.. Alliance isn't exactly playing exciting dota guys
orange is going to show the world tomorrow that fun dota = best dota. BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!
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i like alliance they have an identity and stable playstyle dem those roshan teamfights they control so well
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On August 11 2013 13:32 On_Slaught wrote:
The documentary showing tonight is ONLY for the players in it. They were never going to show it to the public today.
There are rumors that the documentary will be available shortly afterwards for streaming; hopefully that turns out to be the case.
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On August 11 2013 13:35 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. People should learn to speak for themselves. And let's be honest: PPY is superior to Loda in terms of douchbaggery and cockyness. My bad. I wanted to remove the generalised 'all', but I forgot while typing. I realised that there are Alliance fans around. Still my point being that although Alliance are favourites, it seems like many people prefer other teams to win whenever Alliance plays.
Loda has never been a popular player, due mostly to his passive playstyle and his reputation for making sure the entire team revolves around him. He's reformed his attitude a lot since the old days, though. NTH and Alliance have undeniably not been nearly as Loda-centric.
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On August 11 2013 13:37 jigga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ZeaL. wrote:On August 11 2013 13:27 hyptonic wrote:On August 11 2013 13:26 Intact wrote:Why so much hate for Alliance play the same 10 heroes and have a really boring style it's working for them but sooo bad to watch Basically. Super hyper efficient jungling, sacrificing prophet levels to fuck with the enemy, defensive naga songs, mass buybacks to win teamfights 7/8v5, etc. It works well but all that shit is not that enjoyable to watch. It is so enjoyable if you like to watch high level, perfectly executed dota. It is less enjoyable if all you want to see is kills and Russian dota. Admittedly, Orange are more exciting because they are both playing extremely aggressive dota AND executing perfectly.
Exactly. Alliance plays highly effective, but extremely boring dota
Orange is playing highly effective EXCITING dota
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I guess Orange is somewhat chinese, at the very least they speak the language. Quite alot of the people there are descendants of the original Han chinese settlers. They may no longer be chinese/han, but I guess the language similarity is good enough for me to cheer them on. GO Orange!!!
Is this as bs as claiming polt is american?
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On August 11 2013 13:27 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Burning should replace zhou in iG Wouldn't solve iG's problems, unfortunately. If nothing, it would exacerbate them.
sometimes it's not just about replacing a player's performance, but having a refreshing new roster.
But I disagree with you in general. Zhou is not a strong carry player right now in terms of decision making or ability to play heroes. He's still trying to play morphling. He can't play alchemist and he's pretty mediocre on gyro. In any case, not having a strong 1 position and having to rely on ferrari to carry is hurting them. I've always thought Zhou was not that great of a carry player even since TI2 where they were dominating. He's incapable of carrying his team when other players aren't doing well.
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On August 11 2013 13:37 jigga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ZeaL. wrote:On August 11 2013 13:27 hyptonic wrote:On August 11 2013 13:26 Intact wrote:Why so much hate for Alliance play the same 10 heroes and have a really boring style it's working for them but sooo bad to watch Basically. Super hyper efficient jungling, sacrificing prophet levels to fuck with the enemy, defensive naga songs, mass buybacks to win teamfights 7/8v5, etc. It works well but all that shit is not that enjoyable to watch. It is so enjoyable if you like to watch high level, perfectly executed dota. It is less enjoyable if all you want to see is kills and Russian dota. Admittedly, Orange are more exciting because they are both playing extremely aggressive dota AND executing perfectly.
Does Orange have a history of throwing vs. western teams? Their big throws seem to have always been vs. teams known for being capable of taking it late.
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On August 11 2013 13:38 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:35 DucK- wrote:On August 11 2013 13:33 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. People should learn to speak for themselves. And let's be honest: PPY is superior to Loda in terms of douchbaggery and cockyness. My bad. I wanted to remove the generalised 'all', but I forgot while typing. I realised that there are Alliance fans around. Still my point being that although Alliance are favourites, it seems like many people prefer other teams to win whenever Alliance plays. Loda has never been a popular player, due mostly to his passive playstyle and his reputation for making sure the entire team revolves around him. He's reformed his attitude a lot since the old days, though. NTH and Alliance have undeniably not been nearly as Loda-centric.
yes it is.
I can't stand the guy
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On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win.
I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky.
On August 11 2013 13:38 rshawer wrote:
I guess Orange is somewhat chinese, at the very least they speak the language. Quite alot of the people there are descendants of the original Han chinese settlers. They may no longer be chinese/han, but I guess the language similarity is good enough for me to cheer them on. GO Orange!!!
Is this as bs as claiming polt is american?
Malaysia has a huge ethnic Chinese population, many of whom can still speak many Chinese dialects very well.
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On August 11 2013 13:38 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:35 DucK- wrote:On August 11 2013 13:33 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. People should learn to speak for themselves. And let's be honest: PPY is superior to Loda in terms of douchbaggery and cockyness. My bad. I wanted to remove the generalised 'all', but I forgot while typing. I realised that there are Alliance fans around. Still my point being that although Alliance are favourites, it seems like many people prefer other teams to win whenever Alliance plays. Loda has never been a popular player, due mostly to his passive playstyle and his reputation for making sure the entire team revolves around him. He's reformed his attitude a lot since the old days, though. NTH and Alliance have undeniably not been nearly as Loda-centric.
Loda was WAY worse before in the past.
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On August 11 2013 13:35 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. People should learn to speak for themselves. And let's be honest: PPY is superior to Loda in terms of douchbaggery and cockyness. My bad. I wanted to remove the generalised 'all', but I forgot while typing. I realised that there are Alliance fans around. Still my point being that although Alliance are favourites, it seems like many people prefer other teams to win whenever Alliance plays.
Such is the same for the Yankees and the Patriots and the Cowboys in their day. Everyone likes to see an upset.
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On August 11 2013 13:35 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. People should learn to speak for themselves. And let's be honest: PPY is superior to Loda in terms of douchbaggery and cockyness. My bad. I wanted to remove the generalised 'all', but I forgot while typing. I realised that there are Alliance fans around. Still my point being that although Alliance are favourites, it seems like many people prefer other teams to win whenever Alliance plays.
For what it's worth, I totally agree with your opinion on Alliance. I for one will be rooting for Orange, who won't need to resort to cheesey strats against Alliance.
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On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky.
Can't believe people still disrespect loda. There's probably not another player in ANY competitive game who's kept their performance up as long as he has. Imagine if Nada were still around winning tournaments. Loda is about as oldschool as you can get.
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On August 11 2013 13:33 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:27 hyptonic wrote:On August 11 2013 13:26 Intact wrote:Why so much hate for Alliance play the same 10 heroes and have a really boring style it's working for them but sooo bad to watch Basically. Super hyper efficient jungling, sacrificing prophet levels to fuck with the enemy, defensive naga songs, mass buybacks to win teamfights 7/8v5, etc. It works well but all that shit is not that enjoyable to watch.
It IS entertaining to watch when teams understand it and play it correctly. DK Alliance game 1+2 were that exciting because of it.
The really fun thing is that to correctly abuse it one needs a mix of a few classic elements imo. Take something like a BM or DK mid and play it like only a Xiao8 or Super did so far, be at least as efficient in the jungle as Alliance is and rice up properly on split pushing carries yourself.
That was the winning combination of Burnings draft in game #2. Most teams either let Bulldog develop too well or they crumble in the late game against the splitpush.
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On August 11 2013 13:37 jigga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:33 ZeaL. wrote:On August 11 2013 13:27 hyptonic wrote:On August 11 2013 13:26 Intact wrote:Why so much hate for Alliance play the same 10 heroes and have a really boring style it's working for them but sooo bad to watch Basically. Super hyper efficient jungling, sacrificing prophet levels to fuck with the enemy, defensive naga songs, mass buybacks to win teamfights 7/8v5, etc. It works well but all that shit is not that enjoyable to watch. It is so enjoyable if you like to watch high level, perfectly executed dota. It is less enjoyable if all you want to see is kills and Russian dota. Admittedly, Orange are more exciting because they are both playing extremely aggressive dota AND executing perfectly.
rofl, i guess you are just too high level to enjoy 'low' level russian doto huh? Im not saying that are boring to watch, i just don't get the same feeling watching them.. mostly i think because i dislike loda.
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On August 11 2013 13:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky. Can't believe people still disrespect loda. There's probably not another player in ANY competitive game who's kept their performance up as long as he has. Imagine if Nada were still around winning tournaments. Loda is about as oldschool as you can get.
i'd respect him a lot more if he didn't come off as a self important, self righteous jackass.
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