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Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 03 2014 04:07 GMT
#17581
what can you do against a necrolyte support as a melee carry if you have a bad lane where you can't kill/force out the other team. I was playing kunkka safelane (radiant) vs necrolyte and like slark or something and I just couldn't do anything; I was so low on health all the time because he was maxing his heartstop or whatever it's called. I didn't know what to do in that situation; I just kept constantly flying out tangoes, but I felt like I was having way harder of a time than I should since I didn't think i should be buying tranquil.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
linkhimura
Profile Joined March 2014
Argentina231 Posts
June 03 2014 04:18 GMT
#17582
about compendium.

New "mode", daily hero that gives 25 points, it's 1 hero per day (at server time) or the new hero you get it "rerolling" the completed hero?
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
June 03 2014 05:43 GMT
#17583
Arisen, were you in a 1v2 lane?
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 03 2014 06:17 GMT
#17584
no, its was a 2v2. I can't remember who my support was off the top of my head, but he wasn't able to really do much; I'm not sure if it was because he also didn't know what to do or what. I think it was a lina or something similar.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 07:13:07
June 03 2014 06:59 GMT
#17585
On June 03 2014 13:07 Arisen wrote:
what can you do against a necrolyte support as a melee carry if you have a bad lane where you can't kill/force out the other team. I was playing kunkka safelane (radiant) vs necrolyte and like slark or something and I just couldn't do anything; I was so low on health all the time because he was maxing his heartstop or whatever it's called. I didn't know what to do in that situation; I just kept constantly flying out tangoes, but I felt like I was having way harder of a time than I should since I didn't think i should be buying tranquil.

Apart from the obvious getting help from your team and ganking them, you have to realize that various heroes, or in this case skillbuilds, are kinda meant for winning lanes but does little or nothing afterwards. Its like when you go up against Viper or Lich or something in lane, you often just have to accept that you'll lose the lane knowing that both heroes have a hard time turning their lane dominance into something too dangerous in the midgame.

Apart from flying extra regen, look to break up the laning stage as early as possible. They win as long as you passively stay in the lane, but if you can force rotations around the map and force skirmishes/fights then in this case the maxed Heartstopper will do them little good. Theres a reason Necros almost always maxes Q first, without it hes absolutely useless in fights. Another small tip could be to move out of aura range whenever no creeps are dying so you dont miss any exp (or last hits if you're in position to get any).

As kunkka maybe you can hold out until 6 and then move somewhere? Depending on skillbuild you could consider ganking earlier too although moving around too much as the safelane farmer can be a very high risk thing to do since if your movements dont yield much gain you'll be severly behind, which is really bad if your team dpends on you carrying. If you're doing the carry work you should in an organized setting have people come gank for you, although I know that wont happen as often as you'd like in pubs.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 07:10:12
June 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#17586
Double post...
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 03 2014 11:39 GMT
#17587
On June 03 2014 13:07 Arisen wrote:
what can you do against a necrolyte support as a melee carry if you have a bad lane where you can't kill/force out the other team. I was playing kunkka safelane (radiant) vs necrolyte and like slark or something and I just couldn't do anything; I was so low on health all the time because he was maxing his heartstop or whatever it's called. I didn't know what to do in that situation; I just kept constantly flying out tangoes, but I felt like I was having way harder of a time than I should since I didn't think i should be buying tranquil.


Abandon the lane, try to win/farm the other 2 lanes is the best option.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
June 03 2014 11:46 GMT
#17588
On June 03 2014 13:18 linkhimura wrote:
about compendium.

New "mode", daily hero that gives 25 points, it's 1 hero per day (at server time) or the new hero you get it "rerolling" the completed hero?


It's not server time.

Click 'reroll' and you'll get a hero. After 24 hours you can hit reroll again, and presumably you get 25 points then if you've completed your hero.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 03 2014 11:49 GMT
#17589
one of my favourite -wtf heros is necro just mass spam ur heal and head down mid lane lol, i also remember abaddon being super funny once ur lvl6
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 15:37:23
June 03 2014 15:21 GMT
#17590
Here are some other things you could have considered doing as Kunkka/Lina:
0)Kill Necrophos (or the other laner, Necrophos is low impact) with X->Torrent->LSA->Dragon Slave. I'm assuming this didn't work for some reason.
1)As soon as you see the Heartstopper debuff on yourself, buy a casual ring of regen. It'll roughly halve the impact of the aura early and pay itself off towards the end of the laning phase.
2)Send your support to do pullthroughs. This gets her out of aura range for a bit. Then maybe trade off to get yourself out of aura range.
3)Pull the creep wave behind your tower whenever possible. Alternatively, you can get a break from the aura by nuking down the creep wave and backing off while their tower kills yours.
4)Stack a camp several times. Aside from giving one of you a break from the aura every minute, you can pair farm it efficiently to recover after being forced b.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 15:49:02
June 03 2014 15:45 GMT
#17591
On June 04 2014 00:21 Buckyman wrote:
Here are some other things you could have considered doing as Kunkka/Lina:
0)Kill Necrophos with X->Torrent->LSA->Dragon Slave. I'm assuming this didn't work for some reason.
1)As soon as you see the Heartstopper debuff on yourself, buy a casual ring of regen. It'll roughly halve the impact of the aura early and pay itself off towards the end of the laning phase.
2)Send your support to do pullthroughs. This gets her out of aura range for a bit. Then maybe trade off to get yourself out of aura range.
3)Pull the creep wave behind your tower whenever possible. Alternatively, you can get a break from the aura by nuking down the creep wave and backing off while their tower kills yours.
4)Stack a camp several times. Aside from giving one of you a break from the aura every minute, you can pair farm it efficiently to recover after being forced b.


You're probably better off buying tangoes if you aren't using the ring of regen in any recipes. 375 gold in tangoes (25 more than ring) will get you 1380 hitpoints of healing (115HP/charge * 4 charges * 3 tango batches) which would take 11 and a half minutes for the RoR to heal. By the time the RoR is more efficient you should have already hit 6+ and can just move on to other things instead of standing around in lane, especially since Necro will be near useless if he only has heartstopper. RoR would have the advantage of possibly not requiring the courier. I suppose you could do both if you really need to stack the regen, but if you aren't planning on using the RoR you're probably just better off with Tangoes into an item you actually want.

Well ok if you sell the RoR later you're talking about 1 or 2 tangoes vs 1 RoR in value (125 or 250 vs 175), but even then it's 4 minutes for the RoR to be more efficient in healing than 1 tango and ~8 minutes for 2 tangoes.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 18:26:52
June 03 2014 17:20 GMT
#17592
I wish they added an option to auto-reroll heroes after 24 hours. I sure as hell won't be able to remember to go reroll every 24 hr.

EDIT: oops, wrong thread hehe
:)
Verrou
Profile Joined July 2013
France193 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 21:23:40
June 03 2014 21:23 GMT
#17593
here's a very simple question, if i could play dota I'd find the answer myself but my computer is dying and I can only go on TL and watch streams t_t

Can the Lone Druid's Spirit Bear use blink now that it has no cost? What about the courrier?
Black^ / n0tail / Misery / Lanm - Nyx/Windrunner/Slardar
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 03 2014 21:52 GMT
#17594
All items are muted on couriers so courier can't. Bear should be able to, but the value of a blinking bear seems extremely minimal considering it's already high MS and ability to return to the hero at will (with similar damage-cooldown rules to blink anyway).
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Trustworthy-Tony
Profile Joined March 2014
Tanzania187 Posts
June 03 2014 22:30 GMT
#17595
hi stuck with low level scrubs @ 5.5k mmr
I try to get in the zone, listen to a good radio station, stretching, warming up, queue up a game, greet my
allies, call mid, proceed to play reasonably well (at least relatively speaking), my shit allies do questionable shit, i lose a bit of focus, they do more retarded shit, and eventually im just so mad my brain doesnt even work anymore.

you guys have any advice how to remain calm and not lose focus? truth be told, i dont even give a shit about losing, it's just pubs, what frustrates me is when i lose focus and dont play well. any advice is appreciated. ty in advance
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 00:01:39
June 04 2014 00:00 GMT
#17596
On June 04 2014 07:30 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:
hi stuck with low level scrubs @ 5.5k mmr
I try to get in the zone, listen to a good radio station, stretching, warming up, queue up a game, greet my
allies, call mid, proceed to play reasonably well (at least relatively speaking), my shit allies do questionable shit, i lose a bit of focus, they do more retarded shit, and eventually im just so mad my brain doesnt even work anymore.

you guys have any advice how to remain calm and not lose focus? truth be told, i dont even give a shit about losing, it's just pubs, what frustrates me is when i lose focus and dont play well. any advice is appreciated. ty in advance




In all seriousness, ask yourself why you are playing dota. It's not a very good game to play if you get mad easily, csgo would be better. Boxing/MMA would be even better than csgo.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 00:48:16
June 04 2014 00:47 GMT
#17597
On June 04 2014 06:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
All items are muted on couriers so courier can't. Bear should be able to, but the value of a blinking bear seems extremely minimal considering it's already high MS and ability to return to the hero at will (with similar damage-cooldown rules to blink anyway).


Unless you go full Dota 2 Bugs and buy courier through the Spirit Bear, enjoy your midas shivas couriers:



but it was fixed, sadly
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
June 04 2014 01:07 GMT
#17598
I was playing Brewmaster mid vs Omniknight, and he was giving me a lot of trouble with soulring+heal spam. Is this just a hard matchup for most melee heroes? Can I do anything besides playing conservatively, bottle crow a lot, etc?
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 04 2014 01:45 GMT
#17599
Your mistake was playing conservatively when you can just be as aggressive as you want. Brew has drunken and op passive, the heal animation on omni is very long, you should out cs him easily. Even if he is more skilled than you and somehow got the upper hand in lane you are much more useful at lvl 6 and can make plays while he can't really do much of anything.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 04 2014 04:06 GMT
#17600
Hi, I have a question for anyone that has played both Dota 2 and LoL.

I've played plenty of Dota and HoN (and more recently Dota 2), but not LoL. I was wondering if someone may briefly explain why people refer to LoL as a "casual", or "easy", game? I was under the impression that they were fairly similar. What specific attributes of Dota 2 make it the more "hardcore" game? Or are these descriptors completely fallacious?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
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